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    Post  Sujoy Fri Jan 22, 2021 3:40 pm

    GarryB wrote:Note also to be clear Russia has never objected to any Indian purchase of American stuff... they offer their gear and let India decide what it wants without demands or threats... it is almost like they think India knows what it is doing and can make decisions for itself...
    India is unlikely to have a well developed indigenous defence sector for the next 10 years at least. Therefore, India buys Russian weapons to fight against Pakistan though not exclusively and buys U.S weapons to fight against China, again not exclusively.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Jan 23, 2021 4:03 am

    Indigenous or not that is about pride and they are pissing away a lot of money and a lot of time for that pride.

    Pride doesn't help in war time.

    What India needs to do is pull finger and solve its problems in the military sector... they need to either standardise or work harder on full integration because having Israeli weapons and Russian weapons and French weapons and American weapons that are separate and don't work together is a disadvantage and a serious problem in real combat.

    If Israel can help get them to integrate all their equipment to work together that is fine but if they can't then it would be better to just buy all their air force units and armour from the same vendor and make it their problem to sort out.

    India is acting like a country that has different cities with different brands of police cars... some want BMWs and some want Kamaz and others want Fords while others want French things... if the police forces in each city or each jurisdiction can't work together the criminals will take advantage of that and make you look silly... Pakistan and China are not stupid.

    Spending 20 years trying to buy 126 medium fighters and quibbling over the prices means even when it is sorted out... now you need another 200 planes because more are retiring or the situation has changed and there are more enemy planes on that border area.

    The focus is on shiny fast expensive fighter planes... which is useless when they have not support and management backup to help it operate... and cooperate with other Indian aircraft in the area of operations.
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    Post  medo Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:25 pm

    India is trying to portrait itself as a superpower, but the main basis to be a superpower is indigenous defense industrial sector to develop and produce its own weapons. India fail in this, specially if we consider the time of many decades of development and money invested in it and help from around the World, as India was not under sanctions.

    On the other hand Iran with far less resources and under sanctions develop fully operational defense industrial sector and now they produce all their weapons themselves, like tanks, vehicles, artillery, air defense, radars, UAVs, planes, helicopters, ships and submarines, even space program. In that segment Iran is actually superpower, although nobody see them as such. Iran is now imune on sanctions, they produce their own. And what is even more interesting, Iran produce weapons with good quality. What they test in real combat, works fine. Be it ATGMs, air defense complexes, UAVs or cruise missile and anti-ship missiles.

    India on the other hand have big problems with quality, be it with spare parts or with components or products. AFNET proved to be a mess and they could not effectively coordinate air force and air defense operation in time of Balakot clashes. They don't know, where IAF Mirages are and vector Su-30MKI, which patrol too far away and Spyder SAM shot down IAF Mi-17 helicopter. Indian made communications, which are installed in all Indian MiG-21 Bison, MiG-29 and Su-30MKI fighters, were easily jammed by PAF. Su-30MKI were too far away to jam communications, but Abhinandan didn't have communication with ground control because of jamming and after clash IAF urgently start buying communication equipment for their jets from Israel. Indian made RWR Tarang, which is installed on MiG-21 Bison, MiG-29UPG, MiG-29K and Su-30MKI as well as on MiG-27, Jaguar and Tejas, proved to be ineffective. Neither Tarang RWR on MiG-21 Bison neither Tarang RWR on Su-30MKI didn't detect and warn pilots to be engaged by enemy radar or that it was attacked by AIM-120C7 AMRAAM or PL-12 ARH missiles. According to indian sources, Su-30MKI was warned by ground control, not by RWR.

    India well downgrade their own planes with illogical experimenting of mixing components from everywhere and the final result we could see in real clashes around Balakot. IAF have far bigger problems to solve than the number of planes in armament. IAF itself is a mess and until IAf solve it, PAF will have the upper hand in any real combat.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:09 am

    Their problem is not that they don't make all their weapons themselves, their problem is that they want to make things themselves that are clearly not up to standard and create weaknesses.

    It would not matter if India got all its weapons from one vendor.... the fact is that despite all its claims for diversity it gets about 60-70% of its military stuff from Russia, but they don't spend 60-70% of their budget on Russian weapons... more like 20-30%... because the 30-40% of foreign stuff is much more expensive and bought in much smaller batches.

    They are thinking about buying influence by paying top dollar for French and American stuff... but when was the last time America or France stood up to help India?

    When was the last time the Russians and Soviets did.

    There is a clear history there that they seem to ignore, but I understand... I am sure the expensive gifts and high class hookers the deals with France and the US come with make it worth it for those making the decisions, but it is costing India their defence... and in the case of the US it will force them into open hostilities with China that is going to prevent either China or India from growing and developing into a great power.

    BRICS is about making each country great and independent... it is not about one country (Russian or China) throwing a net over other potentially growing economies and countries and trying to control them.

    The agreement between the US and Japan and Australia and India is all about the US controlling a coalition with the focus on China... I understand what the US gets out of it. Japan and Australia were domesticated a long time ago. But India... why.
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    Post  Sujoy Tue Feb 02, 2021 7:56 am

    India to develop semi stealth drones. Pictures of the replica below ( Image Credit: Vishnu Som)

    https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/exclusive-how-indias-new-warrior-drone-can-help-reshape-air-combat-2361475

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    Post  GarryB Tue Feb 02, 2021 11:39 am

    Drones would be a great area for India to get in to... they are semi disposable so if they are not the best it wont matter too much, but they would benefit from being made in enormous numbers so making them domestically without filling them with Israeli and French and American and Russian stuff should mean they will be cheap enough to use in enormous numbers.

    Licence produce a datalink system and a simple little jet engine... perhaps one designed for a cruise missile or something.... an design the weapons yourself...

    It should be easier than developing Tejas.

    And don't make it too stealthy... that is just a waste of time...
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    Post  George1 Thu May 20, 2021 1:28 am

    Helicopter Mi-17V-5 of the Prime Minister of India Narendra Modi

    Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi is transported by a Russian-made Mi-17V-5 helicopter (tail number ZP 5216). Flights of the Indian leadership on six modified Mi-17V-5s have been carried out since 2015 after the contract for the supply of 12 AW-101 helicopters, signed with AgustaWestland (part of the Leonardo holding), was canceled in February 2010. The agreement was canceled amid a bribery scandal.

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    Post  George1 Fri May 21, 2021 2:25 pm

    "Third since the beginning of the year": Fighter MiG-21 of the Indian Air Force crashed in the state of Punjab

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