The Situation in the Ukraine. #7

Google translate:
In Ukraine, contract soldiers engaged in looting
Miner militia, security forces repelled the assault, during a search of armored vehicles found stolen from veterans gold medals.

Militias Miner Donetsk region repelled the assault of the Ukrainian military, which in the early morning went into town for heavy armored vehicles and opened fire on the chaotic buildings. In the destroyed vehicles were found siloviki valuables locals, indicating that the soldiers engaged in looting.

Video: iKORPUS

- They have taken away the elderly combat medals, - said one of the representatives of self-defense. - Looted in private homes. Picked up awards of our grandfathers and great-grandfathers.

In addition to military awards machines security forces have been found other personal belongings of the citizens, as well as the Ukrainian flag, mace, maps, instructions on the use of ammunition and documents with the designation of the 25th Airmobile Brigade APU. Three contract soldiers were taken prisoner for interrogation.

- I anti-aircraft gunner. We were paid in part. Promised two and a half thousand for work - said one of the detained contractors. - It's salary and bonus. Said, will be helping to unload the turntables.

Another military admitted that during the preparation for a military operation Ukrainian officers receive medication tramadol, and then distribute it to the soldiers. Opioid narcotic analgesic to help reduce the pain threshold in wounds.

July 30 Ukrainian Donetsk army attacked from the north. In the mining division of the 1st and 2nd battalions of Slavic fought with punitive battalion "Dnepr". Despite the number of opposing forces, militias are winning local victories and inflict damage on the enemy.
http://lifenews.ru/news/137664

That says quite a few things about those "poor Ukrainian soldiers forcibly thrown in war by their evil government".

smerch hit Lugansk




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go go  boys..



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Captured ukrainian soldiers near Shahtarsk




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A smerch tube inside a house, is what i call elephant in the house evidence of Ukraine indiscriminately
bombing civilians.    I laugh because so many we hear Ukraine is not attacking civilians at all.. just the Rebels..
And evidence like this cannot be refuted.. because Rebels do not have smerch missiles and rebels do not attack
themselves and the civilians that support them.

WHat i find disgusting is How So called Human Rights Groups..rights watch.. in Syria they do not stopped blaming
Assad for every civilians casualty in Syria..Took 2 years !!! of civilians being killed for Obama and UN monitor groups to recognize that Alqaeda was attacking cities and attacking civilians. but now in Ukraine they totally change their propaganda and say Both Sides are bombing civilians and need to stop.  Suggesting that Rebels fire at themselves that are in the cities ,while Ukie Army is outside of cities when bomb them.  

several days later

A hard pussy i would call.

From the Russian Ministry of Defence:

Analysis of satellite imagery released on the Internet by the Security Service of Ukraine on July 30, 2014

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:From the Russian Ministry of Defence:

Analysis of satellite imagery released on the Internet by the Security Service of Ukraine on July 30, 2014

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-143

Hello. What does it mean "Мотороллы"? The combat unit name? Motorola??

And an other thing. I read that the Buk missile can not mistake its target, because if another target appears on the aim line of the missile, the sudden shift of the calculations for reach the new target leads to the missile self-destruction. Is it correct? Thanks.

Strelkov says their intelligence sources have warned that a major false flag event (like the malasyan plane)
being prepared by Kiev to get many civilians killed and blame it on Novorosiyan forces..
captions on English..



This is not surprising at all.. before the malasyan plane was shutdown.. i was wondering when a major false flag
event will happen by western agencies and kiev services against Russia and Novorosiya forces.

Giulio wrote:Hello. What does it mean "Мотороллы"? The combat unit name? Motorola??

And an other thing. I read that the Buk missile can not mistake its target, because if another target appears on the aim line of the missile, the sudden shift of the calculations for reach the new target leads to the missile self-destruction. Is it correct? Thanks.

What you need to know is that Buk Missiles ,its seeker are semi active radar homing..



THis mean that the missiles only follow what the operators on the ground Illuminate to attack. The plane needs to be illuminated the entire time for missile to hit.So you cannot shot down a plane by accident ,that you don't wanted to shoot down. So the theory that Rebels shoot it down by accident ,just because they are the bad guys and the other side the good guys and will never do that is non sense. AT 10,000 meters , the civilian airliner was visible at eye sight. it was a clear day ,there are videos to prove that the day was clear and shiny and witness could film the plane in fire. So since the Rebels are not a war with Malasya and have nothing to win by shooting down a civilian plane and buks can be fired only by Proffessionals . The chance they will have the knowledge to use a BUK are zero.. and if they get Russia help ,they will not shoot an airliner either. is part of their tranning to recognize Civilians planes. Plus there are witness from BBC report that saw when the malasyan airliner was being chased by a military plane. Thats very strong evidence ,that Ukie airforce shoot down the plane. And all the information shows , until now ,that the entire thing was a false flag event  ,that they simply wanted to frame the rebels with the plane so that they could earn not only sympathy the  outside with their criminal war ,but also support inside in Ukraine.  It was not an accident , the missiles are guided to its target.. and it also appears it was not a buk missile who did it .. but An air to air missile from Ukraine airforce.

TR1 wrote:

Mike E wrote:I'd rather have RU supplying arms to rebels than not doing so. Now that Ukraine has been firing ballistic missiles (inaccurate ones, I'd like to add) on cities full of innocent civilians, and that evidence is piling up that Ukraine shot down MH17 (Ukrainian aircraft flying near, bullet holes that were not caused by shrapnel etc). Besides, even if Russia supplied Buk's to rebels who used them to shoot it down, WHO CARES! The U.S. has been supplying weapons to extremists for years, and now ISIS is running around with U.S. weapons. Yet, nobody seems to care about that, and focuses on demonizing Russia instead. Anyway, if rebels shot MH17 down, it is not like Russia did it themselves. Blaming it on Russia would be like blaming 9/11 on the airlines whose planes were hijacked. This situation is clearly a complete mess, and all parties involved deserve some blame.

.....Russia fired Tochka and Iskander near Georgian cities in 2008 (and over them).

The evidence that Ukraine shot down MH17 is not mounting, it is the same mess it was a week ago.

I care that my government is doing something illegal. I know most people here are not Russians and hence (despite their verbal tirades) actually have no stake in what happens in Russia, but some of us are actually citizens.

Tell me, were they cities full of innocents where only a couple percent of the population is fighting, or did they have actual forces that were made up of thousands of troops?

Yes, it is, everyday more and more evidence is found suggesting Ukraine might of shot it down. You want proof that neither Russia or the rebels are responsible? Look at how the western media is using this against Russia in every way.

Being a born citizen of the U.S., one would expect me to ridicule Russia in all they do. I chose not to, for the simple reason that I began to look into situations and listen to every side of it.

Downing of Malaysian Air Flight MH-17 – SMOKING “GUN”, NOT A MISSILE
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   Whether it was a rush to judgment or a false flag, the official line from Washington was that the downing of Malaysian Air Flight MH-17 was the result of a Russian-made BUK anti-aircraft missile fired by Ukrainian rebels, perhaps even aided by Russian advisers.  Last evening on the CBC (Canadian) news program, the “National”, Michael Bociurkiw, a Canadian member of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe was interviewed.  Bociurkiw (himself of Ukrainian descent) was one of the very first to visit the crash site and conduct an inspection of the wreckage.  He has been at the site ever since.  What Bociurkiw described in the interview flatly rejects the generally accepted version of Flight MH-17’s demise.  When asked if he saw anything which suggested how Flight MH-17 was destroyed, Bociurkiw offered this startling revelation:  “There have (sic) been two or three pieces of fuselage that have been really pockmarked with almost looks like machine gun fire, very, very strong machine gun fire that has left these unique marks that we haven’t seen anywhere else.  We have been asked, for example, have we seen any examples of missile.  Well, no we haven’t.  That’s the answer”.  The pieces of the fuselage were shown on the broadcast and contain the unmistakable pattern of metal penetrated by multiple projectiles in a dense pattern; the same type of metal distortion you see on Stop signs that have taken pots shots from an amused passerby.  How could machine gun fire from the ground reach 33,000 feet?  What if it was not from the ground, but from the air instead?  Since the downing of MH-17, the Russian Defense Ministry has documented that a Ukrainian government fighter jet was accelerating rapidly toward MH-17 shortly before it crashed.  (Awkward Questions for US-Ukraine – Lew Rockwell.com)  The coup leaders in Kiev have never refuted that claim.  At the risk of a bad pun, it appears that Bociurkiw’s eyewitness version of events will shoot more holes in Washington’s story line and may provide a smoking gun where only a missile was previously considered.  

http://www.syrianperspective.com/2014/08/downing-of-malaysian-air-flight-mh-17-smoking-gun-not-a-missile.html

There is a theory that it was a missile hit first some part of the plane..and then the plane was finished with Cannon fire of a military plane. in any case the bullet holes are there.. so definitively it looks like at very least Cannon fire from a military plane attacked the malasyan plane. the parallel marks on the left wing strongly suggest kinetic projectiles (bullets) came from the same altitude the plane was flying.  

There is also another picture.. that is interesting..



anyone notice the clean almost untouched left or right side of the plane?  If a Buk Missile hit the malasyan plane ,i don't think that part of the plane will look so clean. The warhead of a buk missile weight 70 kg,(154.3 Lbs). Is a huge warhead . So the damage they produce ,for sure will have created many irregular shape holes in almost the entire plane. But in that picture you see a big part of what appears to be the left side of the plane.. If you compare the above photo the door of the plane with the down one.. you will see that the picture can only come from either the second door or third one.. because the first door and last door do not have a window close to the right..



Here is another door part. totally clean , no signs of damage by the Big warhead of the buk missile that detonation mechanics is not Hit to kill but proximity fuse like most anti  air missiles.  



the Buks missiles are not Hit to kill missiles as far im aware. It should be very easy to Russia to proof how Buk missiles damage is in a similar plane and that DO NOT match the damage of the malasyan plane.   

If a Buk Missile Hit the plane.. It should look all the left side of the plane  totally screwed filled with irregular regular shape.. but you see there and almost intact door of the plane.

This is how a malasyan plane should look like on a clear day from down with binoculars or cameras with zoom..
if only the Rebels had one.   



So the theory of accident of mistaking the plane for a military cargo AN-26  is just non sense.. the plane was shotdown on purpose , but the Rebels will have neither the professionals to operate a Buk ,neither the motives to shootdown a clear to identify Civilian airliner ...But kiev will have everything to win.  And the plane damage appears pretty much it was hit at the same altitude and with cannon fire.  Looks like a terrible planned False flag attack. Probably the plane
was supposed to crash in Kiev controlled territory where the soldiers where trapped in southern cauldron and use the incident to liberate their troops , but to their dismay the plane crashed in Rebels controlled zone.

[quote="GarryB"]
Claims that Moscow is supporting the rebels need a little thing called proof however... I haven't seen the Rebels with anything that the Ukraine didn't already have, and considering the number of military bases in the occupied areas in addition to the number of defectors I haven't seen anything that would make me believe what the west is claiming is not just another lie that is part of their anti Russian agenda.

Come on guys a few are disagreeing with you guys, and then they are trolls.[/qute]

No a troll is not just someone who disagrees with you... a troll is someone who will make a few inflamatory remarks that are generally unsubstantiated with the usual goal of upsetting other members... comments like:

I expect this kind of shocking refusal to open your mind from a lot of people, but not from you Garry.
The proof is right there. It is inescapable.

I am done on the topic however. You people clearly have no interest in anything but RUSSIA STRONG RUSSIA INNOCENT. Carry on, this thread has no interest for me.

TR1 wrote:

I am done on the topic however. You people clearly have no interest in anything but RUSSIA STRONG RUSSIA INNOCENT. Carry on, this thread has no interest for me.

I've spent many hours looking into not only MH17, but the rest of the Ukrainian crisis. Russia (admittedly) does deserve blame for what is going on in Ukraine, but so does the other parties involved (U.S., E.U., and quite obviously; Kiev).
The reason we don't jump on the bandwagon of "RUSSIA WEAK RUSSIA GUILTY RUSSIA EVIL" is because that is false. TR1, you seem like an intelligent guy, you should know to look at all sides of the issue.

http://eng.mil.ru/en/analytics.htm

In conclusion, based on the data provided by the Russian space surveillance, one may deduce that Ukraine does not own the disclosed information.

However, its quality, as well as the SBU’s arguments allegedly proving Russia’s involvement, are absolutely implausible.

Apparently, the reason why the true owners of these images have not put their names to these publications is to make sure the myth of their mighty space intelligence keeps going.

The last statement is a pure example of concentrated evil.       

Someone could easily infer from those "alleged proofs", unshamelessly provided, that the real reason for the enormous amount of gross mistakes committed by US Central Intelligence Agency in the latest 25 years has been generated in reality not by articulated political will, but by a technological level and overall quality of theirs space based assets several times lower than what boasted or sold around .

Mike E wrote:

TR1 wrote:

I am done on the topic however. You people clearly have no interest in anything but RUSSIA STRONG RUSSIA INNOCENT. Carry on, this thread has no interest for me.

I've spent many hours looking into not only MH17, but the rest of the Ukrainian crisis. Russia (admittedly) does deserve blame for what is going on in Ukraine, but so does the other parties involved (U.S., E.U., and quite obviously; Kiev).
The reason we don't jump on the bandwagon of "RUSSIA WEAK RUSSIA GUILTY RUSSIA EVIL" is because that is false. TR1, you seem like an intelligent guy, you should know to look at all sides of the issue.

Not really agree with that part of the sentence.
Because if you see your family and friends being systematically killed at the borders of your country ,just because
they reject an illegal coup in their country and the new Government that gets in power. The Donetsk and Lugansk
people original demands was Federalization of eastern Ukraine.. But kiev refused to listen. The same if you remember was requested in odessa and Other cities like Kharkiv. but the people who protested was brutally repressed. in The case of Odessa they were Burned.. Alive.. Did you know about that massacre? So there was 8 millions people in Ukraine that consider ethnic Russians and support to be closer to Russia that were terrified by the new Junta in Kiev ,that support Ultra Nazi radicals in power positions in security and to carry guns.

You cannot blame Russia for supporting the Rebels ,when Kiev have shown a very hostile stance against anyone who reject the EU and wants to be closer to Russia. You can't blame Russia for protecting their naval base. USA or any other major power will have done the same. You neither can blame Russia if they giving weapons to the Rebels so they hold their territory.. because USA is the one who began conflict with its financed Euromadian Revolution.

For the only thing i blame Russia is for not helping Yakunovych to restore order ,with such violent protest in kiev.
that not only were occupying buildings and burning them but also killing police and using extreme violence. had Yakunovych being helped to restore order.. and do early elections as Yakunovyvh agreed in 2014. The Nazis will have never been in power and Pro Russian politicians will still have been in Power in many parts of Ukraine. So there will be balance of forces and power in kiev ,had the US congress and victoria nuland not interfere in the uprising and the pro EU parties accepted to end the conflict. but the pro EU parties instead in the parliament.. where always pushing for violence.. encouraging them to continue the violence.

Rememer dude.. that Yakunovych agreed with 100% of all the demands of the protesters and the EU. but the only thing he disagree was to resign ,allowing the entire government to collapse . he even gave the position of Prime Minister to the opposition and minister of justice to the Boxer. But they refused.. they wanted simply to disband the government.

Yakunovych mistake was to trust in the EU.. and agreed to remove police from the unrest zone. as soon police left.
the protesters SIEGE the parliament and force Yakunovych to Run for his life. Opportunity that the Right win parties use to expulse him from Presidency ,without him resigning or a democratic process free of terror happening.

As soon Yakunovych was overthrow ,with the US congress finance coup.. The first thing the new junta do is disband police and replace them with the same bandits that were burning buildings and were very hostile to anyone Pro Russia. Then later they kick all Governors that were legitimate elected and friendly to Russia and totally ban any media that support Russia.. In short Kiev create a total Anarchy and total dictatorship in Ukraine. And use terror to force the parliament from the party of Yakunovych to defect or be arrested.

The civil war in Ukraine is 100% to blame in US and the EU.. Russia did not interfere at all in any way with the unrest in Kiev and left Yakunovych to deal with it alone. Putin even recognized Poroshenko as president and was ready to work with them.. But US push for no negotiation for peace and instead for war to crush anyone that do not support Kiev or demanded Full autonomy for their regions.

Lets remember that Russia have been pushing for a cease of fire , Did not recognized Donetsk and Lugansk Independence ,and Putin even did the unthinkable and ask the rebels to postpone their referendum. Something they rejected.  So Russia did everything possible to stop the civil war... and since Kiev is bombing civilians cities indiscriminately ,and supporting Nazis and support their warcrimes against Pro Russian civilians ,you cannot blame Russia for supporting the Rebels to defend themselves
for the Illegal Government in Kiev.  Poroshenko even though Putin recognized.. did not came in power in legal ways. No candidate that was Pro Russia was allowed to participate.. The elections in Ukraine was all about which pro EU faction will control kiev.

Vann7 wrote:

Mike E wrote:

TR1 wrote:

I am done on the topic however. You people clearly have no interest in anything but RUSSIA STRONG RUSSIA INNOCENT. Carry on, this thread has no interest for me.

I've spent many hours looking into not only MH17, but the rest of the Ukrainian crisis. Russia (admittedly) does deserve blame for what is going on in Ukraine, but so does the other parties involved (U.S., E.U., and quite obviously; Kiev).
The reason we don't jump on the bandwagon of "RUSSIA WEAK RUSSIA GUILTY RUSSIA EVIL" is because that is false. TR1, you seem like an intelligent guy, you should know to look at all sides of the issue.

Not really agree with that part of the sentence.
Because if you see your family and friends being systematically killed at the borders of your country ,just because
they reject an illegal coup in their country and the new Government that gets in power. The Donetsk and Lugansk
people original demands was Federalization of eastern Ukraine.. But kiev refused to listen. The same if you remember was requested in odessa and Other cities like Kharkiv. but the people who protested was brutally repressed. in The case of Odessa they were Burned.. Alive.. Did you know about that massacre? So there was 8 millions people in Ukraine that consider ethnic Russians and support to be closer to Russia that were terrified by the new Junta in Kiev ,that support Ultra Nazi radicals in power positions in security and to carry guns.

You cannot blame Russia for supporting the Rebels ,when Kiev have shown a very hostile stance against anyone who reject the EU and wants to be closer to Russia. You can't blame Russia for protecting their naval base. USA or any other major power will have done the same. You neither can blame Russia if they giving weapons to the Rebels so they hold their territory.. because USA is the one who began conflict with its financed Euromadian Revolution.

For the only thing i blame Russia is for not helping Yakunovych to restore order ,with such violent protest in kiev.
that not only were occupying buildings and burning them but also killing police and using extreme violence. had Yakunovych being helped to restore order.. and do early elections as Yakunovyvh agreed. The Nazis will have never been in power and Pro Russian politicians will still have been in Power in many parts of Ukraine. So there will be balance of forces and power. But as soon Yakunovych was overthrow ,with the US congress finance coup.. The first thing the new junta do is disband police and replace them with the same bandits that were burning buildings and were very hostile to anyone Pro Russia. Then later they kick all Governors that were legitimate elected and friendly to Russia and totally ban any media that support Russia.. In short Kiev create a total Anarchy and total dictatorship in Ukraine. And use terror to force the parliament from the party of Yakunovych to defect or be arrested.

The civil war in Ukraine is 100% to blame in US and the EU.. Russia did not interfere at all in any way with the unrest in Kiev and left Yakunovych to deal with it alone. Putin even recognized Poroshenko as president and was ready to work with them.. But US push for no negotiation for peace and instead for war to crush anyone that do not support Kiev or demanded Full autonomy for their regions.

Lets remember that Russia have been pushing for a cease of fire , Did not recognized Donetsk and Lugansk Independence ,and Putin even did the unthinkable and ask the rebels to post pone their referendum. Something they rejected.  So Russia did everything possible to stop the civil war... and since Kiev is bombing civilians cities indiscriminately ,and supporting Nazis ,you cannot blame Russia for supporting the Rebels to defend themselves
for the Illegal Government in Kiev.  Poroshenko even though Putin recognized.. did not came in power in legal ways. No candidate that was Pro Russia was allowed to participate.. The elections in Ukraine was all about which pro EU faction will control kiev.  

I don't mean they caused the crisis, but there is no denying that Russia did escalate the crisis politically (as did the U.S./E.U. and Kiev, as I mentioned earlier.). Had Russia not held a referendum (which I supported), there is the possibility that the crisis wouldn't have escalated. I completely agree that Kiev and the U.S./E.U. are to blame for the start of the crisis, but Russia somewhat added "paper to the fire" so to speak.

Let me add that I agree with Russia's support of the rebel's.

Mike E wrote:
I don't mean they caused the crisis, but there is no denying that Russia did escalate the crisis politically (as did the U.S./E.U. and Kiev, as I mentioned earlier.). Had Russia not held a referendum (which I supported), there is the possibility that the crisis wouldn't have escalated. I completely agree that Kiev and the U.S./E.U. are to blame for the start of the crisis, but Russia somewhat added "paper to the fire" so to speak.

Let me add that I agree with Russia's support of the rebel's.

And can we have clear examples how russia did escalte the Ukraine crisis with what actions did it escalate it?

Vann7 wrote:

Giulio wrote:Hello. What does it mean "Мотороллы"? The combat unit name? Motorola??

And an other thing. I read that the Buk missile can not mistake its target, because if another target appears on the aim line of the missile, the sudden shift of the calculations for reach the new target leads to the missile self-destruction. Is it correct? Thanks.

What you need to know is that Buk Missiles ,its seeker are semi active radar homing..



THis mean that the missiles only follow what the operators on the ground Illuminate to attack. The plane needs to be illuminated the entire time for missile to hit.So you cannot shot down a plane by accident ,that you don't wanted to shoot down. So the theory that Rebels shoot it down by accident ,just because they are the bad guys and the other side the good guys and will never do that is non sense. AT 10,000 meters , the civilian airliner was visible at eye sight. it was a clear day ,there are videos to prove that the day was clear and shiny and witness could film the plane in fire. So since the Rebels are not a war with Malasya and have nothing to win by shooting down a civilian plane and buks can be fired only by Proffessionals . The chance they will have the knowledge to use a BUK are zero.. and if they get Russia help ,they will not shoot an airliner either. is part of their tranning to recognize Civilians planes. Plus there are witness from BBC report that saw when the malasyan airliner was being chased by a military plane. Thats very strong evidence ,that Ukie airforce shoot down the plane. And all the information shows , until now ,that the entire thing was a false flag event  ,that they simply wanted to frame the rebels with the plane so that they could earn not only sympathy the  outside with their criminal war ,but also support inside in Ukraine.  It was not an accident , the missiles are guided to its target.. and it also appears it was not a buk missile who did it .. but An air to air missile from Ukraine airforce.

Many thanks. The fact is that I was looking for something of tachnical about the Buk missile and I found that, but I'm not sure of the translation and I don't know the Russian language, so, if possible could you help me with that?
"... Кстати, на другую цель (даже лежащуюю на той же линии визирования) ракета самопроизвольно навеститсь не может. При движении ракеты и цели, расстояние между ними и скорость сближения должны изменяться непрерывно, если образуется резкий скачок (что может означать только перенос наведения на другую цель), то ракета самоликвидируется".
Thanks

Giulio wrote:

Vann7 wrote:

Giulio wrote:Hello. What does it mean "Мотороллы"? The combat unit name? Motorola??

And an other thing. I read that the Buk missile can not mistake its target, because if another target appears on the aim line of the missile, the sudden shift of the calculations for reach the new target leads to the missile self-destruction. Is it correct? Thanks.

What you need to know is that Buk Missiles ,its seeker are semi active radar homing..



THis mean that the missiles only follow what the operators on the ground Illuminate to attack. The plane needs to be illuminated the entire time for missile to hit.So you cannot shot down a plane by accident ,that you don't wanted to shoot down. So the theory that Rebels shoot it down by accident ,just because they are the bad guys and the other side the good guys and will never do that is non sense. AT 10,000 meters , the civilian airliner was visible at eye sight. it was a clear day ,there are videos to prove that the day was clear and shiny and witness could film the plane in fire. So since the Rebels are not a war with Malasya and have nothing to win by shooting down a civilian plane and buks can be fired only by Proffessionals . The chance they will have the knowledge to use a BUK are zero.. and if they get Russia help ,they will not shoot an airliner either. is part of their tranning to recognize Civilians planes. Plus there are witness from BBC report that saw when the malasyan airliner was being chased by a military plane. Thats very strong evidence ,that Ukie airforce shoot down the plane. And all the information shows , until now ,that the entire thing was a false flag event  ,that they simply wanted to frame the rebels with the plane so that they could earn not only sympathy the  outside with their criminal war ,but also support inside in Ukraine.  It was not an accident , the missiles are guided to its target.. and it also appears it was not a buk missile who did it .. but An air to air missile from Ukraine airforce.

Many thanks. The fact is that I was looking for something of tachnical about the Buk missile and I found that, but I'm not sure of the translation and I don't know the Russian language, so, if possible could you help me with that?
"... Кстати, на другую цель (даже лежащуюю на той же линии визирования) ракета самопроизвольно навеститсь не может. При движении ракеты и цели, расстояние между ними и скорость сближения должны изменяться непрерывно, если образуется резкий скачок (что может означать только перенос наведения на другую цель), то ракета самоликвидируется".
Thanks

By the way, another purpose (even lezhaschuyuyu on the same line of sight) missile can not spontaneously visit. When moving missiles and target, the distance between them and the closing speed should vary continuously, if formed a sharp jump (which can only mean the transfer of pointing to another target), the missile self-destructs. - This is a direct translation, so it is not perfect.

Werewolf wrote:

Mike E wrote:
I don't mean they caused the crisis, but there is no denying that Russia did escalate the crisis politically (as did the U.S./E.U. and Kiev, as I mentioned earlier.). Had Russia not held a referendum (which I supported), there is the possibility that the crisis wouldn't have escalated. I completely agree that Kiev and the U.S./E.U. are to blame for the start of the crisis, but Russia somewhat added "paper to the fire" so to speak.

Let me add that I agree with Russia's support of the rebel's.

And can we have clear examples how russia did escalte the Ukraine crisis with what actions did it escalate it?

Even though I support it, arming the rebels did admittedly escalate the crisis at least a little. They sent troops into Crimea (Which is perfectly legal under the Partition Treaty on the State and Conditions of the Black Sea Fleet signed May 28, 1997.) which led to Kiev aggression and (eventually) U.S. sanctions.

Mike E wrote:Had Russia not held a referendum (which I supported), there is the possibility that the crisis wouldn't have escalated. .

Not really at all.
The only reason Ukraine is important for the White House is because is a Big nation bordering Russia and they helped Nazis to get in power.. The US congress will have never gave 5 billions US dollars to Euromaidan Revolution ,had Ukraine be located far from Russia. The Goal of the Obama administration ,the major one ,was to have A nato Naval base in Crimea.. kicking Russia from its own historical legitimate naval base. If Russia does not take Crimea..
The Revolution of kiev will have simply moved to Crimea and the nazis will have all invaded Russia naval facilities and taken it.

With NATO in control of Crimea ,it will have created a Huge security problem for Russia Federation. Imagine Russia taking control of Long island? Did you think US will have allowed that? No way in hell. Is a Nation security issue .
Aside that Crimea was always a Russian Land . Kiev got it after world war 2 only because it was part of Russia in soviet times. Will have never got it if it was a separate nation.