The Situation in the Ukraine. #6

Flyingdutchman wrote:Ukrainians should be happy that wasn't an american plan that was shot down, if it was i think we would have a war going.

Regular wrote:

Flyingdutchman wrote:Ukrainians should be happy that wasn't an american plan that was shot down, if it was i think we would have a war going.

Thanks god your country is not very capable military wise still there was info that US, Poland and You guys want to secure crash location with Your SF:D If true - Good luck with that

Regular wrote:No offence, but it would be no less bloody that this disaster. I feel sorry for Your countrymen.

Regular wrote:No offence, but it would be no less bloody that this disaster. I feel sorry for Your countrymen.

Hannibal Barca wrote:What kind of evidence you want? A plane was sent over a war zone and shoot down. I don't know whats the big news about this.

Flyingdutchman wrote:

Regular wrote:No offence, but it would be no less bloody that this disaster. I feel sorry for Your countrymen.

Me too, but i've got that feeling that we Can not allies this too happen ( and then i meen that the researchteams still can not research the place right. )

We don't need more blood no one does but we gotta do something before all the evidence is lost ( if there is evidence )

Airbornewolf wrote:

Hannibal Barca wrote:What kind of evidence you want? A plane was sent over a war zone and shoot down. I don't know whats the big news about this.

well, no offense but since the west is trying to pin 300 civilian deaths on Russia it would have been nice if Russia can slap back with actual flight-recorder data on those black boxes or some other hard evidence. this is simply a full propaganda-war. witch the Western Media is losing, for example RT's likes on FB alone spiked 33% on thursday's crash when Western Media was already blaming Putin.

of course i personally would never send a plane flying over an warzone either, but 300 people still got blown out of the sky and someone's head(s) is going to roll for this eventually.

 Dianne Feinstein, chairman of the US Senate Intelligence Committee, has urged Russian President Vladimir Putin to "man up" and admit Russia made a mistake.

 She told CNN: "I think this has become a huge human drama, and I think the nexus between Russia and the separatists has been established very clearly, so the issue is where is Putin?

  
 "I would say, 'Putin, you have to man up. You should talk to the world. You should say, if this is a mistake, which I hope it was, say it.

    
    "I think the world has to rise up and say we've had enough of this.

    "You cannot let this kind of thing happen, and Russia continues to prepare it for the next strike down of a civilian plane. There will be repercussions from this."

medo wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUltrf8n_vA

This video show traces of chaffs falling slowly to the ground near B777 crash site, what prove the presence of Ukrainian military jet as airliners doesn't have chaffs and flares. Presence of Ukrainian jet prove claims of Spanish dispatcher of Ukrainian fighters shadowing Malaysian airliner.





It's difficult to say, but some claim that those damages on airliner were done by air to air missile, not Buk. If this will be proven for truth, than we know, who is behind this false flag attack.

sepheronx wrote:

Austin wrote:Biggest Dutch Daily Calls For NATO Intervention To Protect MH17; Feinstein Tells Putin To "Man Up And Confess"

 Dianne Feinstein, chairman of the US Senate Intelligence Committee, has urged Russian President Vladimir Putin to "man up" and admit Russia made a mistake.

 She told CNN: "I think this has become a huge human drama, and I think the nexus between Russia and the separatists has been established very clearly, so the issue is where is Putin?

  
 "I would say, 'Putin, you have to man up. You should talk to the world. You should say, if this is a mistake, which I hope it was, say it.

    
    "I think the world has to rise up and say we've had enough of this.

    "You cannot let this kind of thing happen, and Russia continues to prepare it for the next strike down of a civilian plane. There will be repercussions from this."

She should tell the US, Canada and Germany to man up and admit that it was their fault for the innocent lives lost during the maidan protests, and for destabilizing Ukraine, which lead to this aircraft being shot down.  If they didn't stick their nose into the situation, this would never have happened.  Add to that, she should also tell the Ukr President to "Man up" and admit that they should not have let ACO allow civil aircrafts to fly over a warzone that they knew the seperatists had long range Surface to Air missiles.

But they wont.  So why should Putin admit to anything?

But here is the best part in all of this.  In the west, they always love to talk about how democratic they are by stating the innocence before proven guilty in any crime.  Well, the investigations are still ongoing and no one has concrete evidence on who shot the plane down, and with what.  So they are being quite the ignorant twats for even making assumptions and suggestions that the separatists did it, especially when they have no evidence.

The kicker in all of this, is that the average citizen is calling for blood, yet is hypocritical enough to blame Russian justice system for throwing the key away on criminals without proper investigations done.  I see they want it their way and that is final.  So far, no one has provided any evidence of such, to the world.  Yet the witch hunt is already beginning.  I think this has more to do with the fact that politicians are using this to their advantage and banking on the dead, to help gain popularity votes in home countries, by "talking tough".  So far, only people it has convinced are the people already jumping for joy for a war or destabilizing even further east.

sepheronx wrote:

Flyingdutchman wrote:Wow those are some hard proofs   

So maybe there is propaganda in the west, what no one believes, This forum made me thinking alot...

And what when it comes out it were the ukrainians?

How will the world respond?

And uuuuhhhh.... Didn't the us do exactly the same with an iranian airplane??

Yes, as I mentioned, flight 655 in 1988 when a US missile destroyer shot it down, killing about 300 people on board.  They chalked it up as a mistake and only paid compensation after they were sued in the international courts by Iran.