The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

macedonian wrote:RT's Paula Slier tweets:

RT wrote:Hearing reports that a checkpoint was attacked in #Mariupol. At least one person killed and three injured.
Activists say the attack is carried out by pro-Ukrainian forces and Right Sector radicals.

I hope the RightSektor guys...well...kinda "stay" there forever.   

arpakola wrote:
We received an order to find and destroy a BMP, which was previously hijacked from our regular troops. We entered the search area. We hada man on the ground who gave us information about the exact location of the BMP. At that moment we felt a strong blow on the left board. It must have been a heavy machine gun. The chopper became unstable, the main hydraulic system failed, we started evading the enemy fire to save the chopper and to save the crew. We decided to land on swamp area, we landed pretty good, the crew survived, the chopper is damaged. The chopper is in a swamp area, we landed pretty good, a fire broke out, I turned off the main electrical system. We were saved by a rescue Mi -8 chopper, from the beginning on we started going away from the crash zone, we took our personal weapons, maps, documents, we moved through the forests, in the direction of our troops, we had a cell phone and we could establish contact with rescue chopper. Thanks to rescue chopper. The crew is alive, thank God we did not took with us our flight engineer, because the mg burst cut through the load area, we could have lost him if he was there.

Ukrainian army fighting side by side with neo-Nazis against own people - Lavrov



The West continues to ignore the fact that Ukrainian army is fighting, side by side with neo-Nazis against their own people, Russian Foreign Ministry Sergei Lavrov said Tuesday. Lavrov said that EU and US officials refuse to comment the fact that the Ukrainian army has received the order to fight against own people side by side with the neo-Nazis.


"In the midst of February Maidan confrontations in Kiev, Nato Defense Ministers and Secretary General stated the inadmissibility of intervention of the armed forces of Ukraine in the political process, and insisted on the neutrality of the army," Lavrov said.
Lavrov said that Brussels and Washington continue to confirm the legitimacy of the so-called 'anti-terrorist operation' led by Kiev's authorities explaining that the state has the monopoly on the use of armed forces. Russian Foreign Minister said that the events that have occurred in Odessa question the tolerability of neo-Nazis' glorification.
"All the members of the Council of Europe must firmly stop the ultra-nationalists activities, and those who indulge the ideology and the practice of fascism cannot be justified, even if they were politicians enjoying the protection of the enlightened western democracies," Lavrov said.
Russia does not organize color revolutions, let alone brown-hued ones - FM Lavrov
Russia does not promote regime change and color revolutions in other countries, said Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov. "We don't do regime change, we don't do color revolutions, let alone brown-hued ones like those in Ukraine," he told a press conference after a session of the Council of Europe Committee of Ministers. At the same time, Russia is not walking away from contacts with the current Kiev authorities, Lavrov said. "We are not walking away from contacts with our Ukrainian counterparts, and one result of such contacts was the Geneva Statement of April 17," the minister said.
Western partners are not ready to agree to the equitable participation of southeastern Ukraine in the national dialogue, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said.
"Practical steps can be taken only by the Ukrainians themselves if they are not restrained from cooperating with each other. Alas, our Western partners are not ready to agree to the equitable participation of southeastern Ukraine in the national dialogue," Lavrov told a press conference in Vienna.
Disagreements had been growing in Ukraine but, clearly, "the Western partners in the EU and the US actively used them to promote their unilateral agenda, their unilateral interests in disregard of the interests of the entire Ukrainian people," the minister stressed.
"We honestly speak about that, in particular, with our American and European colleagues. They claim this is not so. But if this is not so, then anything is possible and let us not tear Ukraine apart between the East and the West but pool efforts and help start the dialogue, which can coordinate practical steps towards the fulfillment of all agreements and statements," Lavrov said, Interfax reports.
Sergei Lavrov said he urged NATO to confirm the stance declared in February on unacceptability of using army to resolve domestic issues of Ukraine.
"In the midst of the events on Maidan the NATO secretary general and NATO defense minister said that interference of the Ukrainian armed forces in the political process is unacceptable and insisted that army should be neutral," Lavrov said at a news conference in Vienna on Tuesday.
"This was in February. I asked our colleagues from NATO countries today whether countries of the Alliance and NATO secretary general can confirm the same appeal - not to use the army, not to engage the army in the political process and not to allow army breaking its neutral status within its own country," Lavrov said. This should be the first step to resolve the situation in Ukraine, the minister said.
Russia ready to organize nationwide dialogue in Ukraine - FM Lavrov
Russia is ready to work to organize a dialogue between the current authorities in Kiev and the Ukrainian regions, and calls on the United States and the European Union to act in the same way, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said. "We have reaffirmed our willingness to work in favor of organizing such a dialogue," the minister said. "The external actors - be it the United States, the European Union or Russia - must do their utmost to facilitate the launch of such talks," Lavrov said.
Russia disagrees with the opinion that the Geneva accords on Ukraine have failed, Sergei Lavrov stated.
"Nothing has failed," Lavrov told reporters after a session of the Council of Europe Committee of Ministers, responding to the question about the possible failure of the Ukrainian crisis settlement agreements reached at the Geneva negotiations, Interfax reports.
Coordination of practical steps to implement the Geneva accords is something the Ukrainian conflicting parties must do in the first place, said Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.
"It's Ukrainians that must implement the accords - the regime and its opponents, because they are to live in one country, and they must coordinate practical steps to implement the Geneva statement on a mutually respectful and equitable basis," Lavrov said at a press conference in Vienna on Tuesday.
A governmental order to stop using the Ukrainian Army and the National Guard to suppress protests should be the first step towards de-escalation in Ukraine, said Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.
"As for the de-escalation, I have already said that the first and obvious step is to cancel the order to use the army and the national guard for suppressing protests," Lavrov told reporters on Tuesday.
Sergei Lavrov said it is surprising that presidential elections are being held in Ukraine when the Ukrainian law enforcement services are carrying out an operation in southeastern regions.
"Holding elections in a situation where the armed forces are being used against part of the population is rather unusual. It's not Afghanistan, where a war is going on, but elections did take place," Lavrov said at a press conference in Vienna.
The new meeting in Geneva is "unlikely to add anything" in the absence of the forces opposed to the current regime in Kiev, said Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.
"Getting together again in the same format, with the opposition to the current Ukrainian regime being absent at the table of negotiations, is unlikely to add anything. It is possible of course, but we shall be going in circles and saying again that everything we have agreed upon must be complied with," Lavrov told reporters after a session of the Council of Europe Committee of Ministers.
Moscow appreciates the efforts of the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe and the Council of Europe to create conditions for the practical steps to launch negotiations between the Ukrainians, he said At the CoE Committee of Ministers session a number of this organization's members tried to accuse Russia and threaten it over its position on Ukraine, Lavrov said.
"But I note that the majority of the discussion participants were still in favor of finding compromises guided primarily not by someone's geopolitical ambitions but the interests of the Ukrainian people," the minister said.
"We are convinced that there is a way out of the current crisis in Ukraine. It can be found solely on the basis of a nationwide dialogue, including in the context of the constitutional reform, a dialogue that will give full voice both to the east and south and in general to every Ukrainian region," Lavrov added.

Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_05_06/Ukrainian-army-fighting-side-by-side-with-neo-Nazis-against-own-people-Lavrov-2027/

Russia does not organize color revolutions, let alone brown-hued ones - FM Lavrov



Russia does not promote regime change and color revolutions in other countries, said Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov. "We don't do regime change, we don't do color revolutions, let alone brown-hued ones like those in Ukraine," he told a press conference after a session of the Council of Europe Committee of Ministers. At the same time, Russia is not walking away from contacts with the current Kiev authorities, Lavrov said. "We are not walking away from contacts with our Ukrainian counterparts, and one result of such contacts was the Geneva Statement of April 17," the minister said.

Western partners are not ready to agree to the equitable participation of southeastern Ukraine in the national dialogue, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said.
"Practical steps can be taken only by the Ukrainians themselves if they are not restrained from cooperating with each other. Alas, our Western partners are not ready to agree to the equitable participation of southeastern Ukraine in the national dialogue," Lavrov told a press conference in Vienna.
Disagreements had been growing in Ukraine but, clearly, "the Western partners in the EU and the US actively used them to promote their unilateral agenda, their unilateral interests in disregard of the interests of the entire Ukrainian people," the minister stressed.
"We honestly speak about that, in particular, with our American and European colleagues. They claim this is not so. But if this is not so, then anything is possible and let us not tear Ukraine apart between the East and the West but pool efforts and help start the dialogue, which can coordinate practical steps towards the fulfillment of all agreements and statements," Lavrov said, Interfax reports.
Sergei Lavrov said he urged NATO to confirm the stance declared in February on unacceptability of using army to resolve domestic issues of Ukraine.
"In the midst of the events on Maidan the NATO secretary general and NATO defense minister said that interference of the Ukrainian armed forces in the political process is unacceptable and insisted that army should be neutral," Lavrov said at a news conference in Vienna on Tuesday.
"This was in February. I asked our colleagues from NATO countries today whether countries of the Alliance and NATO secretary general can confirm the same appeal - not to use the army, not to engage the army in the political process and not to allow army breaking its neutral status within its own country," Lavrov said. This should be the first step to resolve the situation in Ukraine, the minister said.
Russia ready to organize nationwide dialogue in Ukraine - FM Lavrov
Russia is ready to work to organize a dialogue between the current authorities in Kiev and the Ukrainian regions, and calls on the United States and the European Union to act in the same way, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said. "We have reaffirmed our willingness to work in favor of organizing such a dialogue," the minister said. "The external actors - be it the United States, the European Union or Russia - must do their utmost to facilitate the launch of such talks," Lavrov said.
Russia disagrees with the opinion that the Geneva accords on Ukraine have failed, Sergei Lavrov stated.
"Nothing has failed," Lavrov told reporters after a session of the Council of Europe Committee of Ministers, responding to the question about the possible failure of the Ukrainian crisis settlement agreements reached at the Geneva negotiations, Interfax reports.
Coordination of practical steps to implement the Geneva accords is something the Ukrainian conflicting parties must do in the first place, said Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.
"It's Ukrainians that must implement the accords - the regime and its opponents, because they are to live in one country, and they must coordinate practical steps to implement the Geneva statement on a mutually respectful and equitable basis," Lavrov said at a press conference in Vienna on Tuesday.
A governmental order to stop using the Ukrainian Army and the National Guard to suppress protests should be the first step towards de-escalation in Ukraine, said Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.
"As for the de-escalation, I have already said that the first and obvious step is to cancel the order to use the army and the national guard for suppressing protests," Lavrov told reporters on Tuesday.
Sergei Lavrov said it is surprising that presidential elections are being held in Ukraine when the Ukrainian law enforcement services are carrying out an operation in southeastern regions.
"Holding elections in a situation where the armed forces are being used against part of the population is rather unusual. It's not Afghanistan, where a war is going on, but elections did take place," Lavrov said at a press conference in Vienna.
The new meeting in Geneva is "unlikely to add anything" in the absence of the forces opposed to the current regime in Kiev, said Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.
"Getting together again in the same format, with the opposition to the current Ukrainian regime being absent at the table of negotiations, is unlikely to add anything. It is possible of course, but we shall be going in circles and saying again that everything we have agreed upon must be complied with," Lavrov told reporters after a session of the Council of Europe Committee of Ministers.
Moscow appreciates the efforts of the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe and the Council of Europe to create conditions for the practical steps to launch negotiations between the Ukrainians, he said At the CoE Committee of Ministers session a number of this organization's members tried to accuse Russia and threaten it over its position on Ukraine, Lavrov said.
"But I note that the majority of the discussion participants were still in favor of finding compromises guided primarily not by someone's geopolitical ambitions but the interests of the Ukrainian people," the minister said.
"We are convinced that there is a way out of the current crisis in Ukraine. It can be found solely on the basis of a nationwide dialogue, including in the context of the constitutional reform, a dialogue that will give full voice both to the east and south and in general to every Ukrainian region," Lavrov added.


Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_05_06/Russia-does-not-organize-color-revolutions-let-alone-brown-hued-ones-Lavrov-0915/

Strizh wrote:
I still don't understand why there isn't any support so far! The people are dying and we aren't even sending weapons or ammunition  No  I don't understand the plan

flamming_python wrote:

Airbornewolf wrote:

arpakola wrote:
We received an order to find and destroy a BMP, which was previously hijacked from our regular troops. We entered the search area. We hada man on the ground who gave us information about the exact location of the BMP. At that moment we felt a strong blow on the left board. It must have been a heavy machine gun. The chopper became unstable, the main hydraulic system failed, we started evading the enemy fire to save the chopper and to save the crew. We decided to land on swamp area, we landed pretty good, the crew survived, the chopper is damaged. The chopper is in a swamp area, we landed pretty good, a fire broke out, I turned off the main electrical system. We were saved by a rescue Mi -8 chopper, from the beginning on we started going away from the crash zone, we took our personal weapons, maps, documents, we moved through the forests, in the direction of our troops, we had a cell phone and we could establish contact with rescue chopper. Thanks to rescue chopper. The crew is alive, thank God we did not took with us our flight engineer, because the mg burst cut through the load area, we could have lost him if he was there.

damn, ... does Kiev really believe these "interviews" will help?.

with their troops behaviour on TV i almost would think a right sector member is either keeping him at gunpoint to do his interview....or they told him  if he doesnt fly they will shoot his fammily.

he is not even one bit angry at all, its more a "we shouldnt have been there in the first place" if you ask me. it was the same with those guys receiving the medals. lots of looking down, looking nervous and uncertain of their situation.

im curious what is going on in their command structure and what they where told, clearly its not their own desire to be there. are they and their fammily's perhaps threatened by the Kiev Junta?. we already know they will go after any (real) journalist and pro-russian symphatisers if they can.

It's telling what the rebels claimed when when they captured those airborne troops with 6 vehicles a few weeks back. It's gives the most accurate picture of all.

Basically, some of the troops opted to join them, the majority opted however just to leave w/o their weapons. The rebels later explained in the course of the conversation, the troops pretty much agreed that the government was illegitimate, a bunch of bloodthirsty crooks, etc... but at the same time said that it's their duty to uphold their oath and so on; and thus most of them decided not to defect.

gaurav wrote:

Strizh wrote:
I still don't understand why there isn't any support so far! The people are dying and we aren't even sending weapons or ammunition  No  I don't understand the plan

EXACTLY. 

gaurav wrote:

Strizh wrote:
I still don't understand why there isn't any support so far! The people are dying and we aren't even sending weapons or ammunition  No  I don't understand the plan

EXACTLY. 

Airbornewolf wrote:

yeah, in my servicetime i declared an oath too. to serve the (then) queen and millitary law. but i didnt say or meanth anything about using (lethal) force against my own people. in my country, Holland there is a province called Friesland that sometimes suggested to sepparate from the Netherlands. even if they did and my goverment ordered to go crack down on them i would not co-operate. it is not where i joined up for. that would be a disgrace for my honor, service record and uniform.

i really do not know the position those Kiev army guys are in tough, its not as easy as "they are send by Kiev, so they all support Kiev". they have fammily and relatives living in those area's controlled by scum like Svoboda and Right Sector. as a person and soldier you are rather concerned for the well-being of your fammily home and would not do just something to risk that like defecting for example. its why i think a lot of troops just hand over their stuff and go home. and we seen in the vids they are anything but motivated.

lets keep in mind the SS kept the regular Wehrmacht in check too by making sure they did as the Nazi's pleased even if they did not wanted to do it, then Gestapo payd a visit to your fammily at home.

of course the pro-autonomy activists need to defend themselves and im on their side of the conflict and feel a lot of sympathy for them. the Kiev Junta needs to be removed and it makes my skin crawl to see that Nazi scum being ignored by the U.S and E.U politicians. why the hell did we all waged world war 2?. so the West could sell that sacrifice out 70 years later and manufacturing and accept an illegal coup and put Nazi's on the street that can OPENLY keep Fascism marches in honor of the SS and related trash.

 and Personally,i feel Russia is right.   im looking forward to the 9 may Victory Day Parade.    Fascism may never return, and at the moment only Russia opposes it in europe. never forget what happened in history and never allow it happening ever again.

Strizh wrote:
We need to do something, I am even at the point where I want to go myself to Ukraine

Morpheus wrote:
Well, it seems that the Nazis have suffered heavy losses so far, and the pictures a couple of posts up

gaurav wrote:

Strizh wrote:
We need to do something, I am even at the point where I want to go myself to Ukraine

In one of documentaries.. I saw Alqaida wanted to do a pact with Russia against NATO
The senior Kremlin official also confirmed it .. can any one comment on this..   

It was a bbc documentary in 2004 I guess.. Sergei Ivanov confirmed it .. but for maintaining peace I think Kremlin mothballed the
Alqaida project...   

Europe would have have ceased to exist .. if Kremlin allowed it at that time..

Morpheus wrote:
Well, it seems that the Nazis have suffered heavy losses so far, and the pictures a couple of posts up

The Ukrainian Junta TV channels are vomiting ..4 ukrainian army killed and 30 militia killed.. that itself is suspicious..

because FP has confirmed that atleast 40 Ukranian Army personnel are killed only till monday fighting.. that us day before yesterday..
why are they lying out of their teeth..
this Junta sucks..

Whyare they lying so much they are not even informing the no of casualties that they have suffered..