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    Post  walle83 Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:23 pm

    Some pictures of the latest H-6N bombers.

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    Post  lancelot Tue Nov 30, 2021 11:30 pm

    The Chinese sure are cranking up a lot of these H-6Ks and derivatives. They are really preparing for any eventuality and this clearly means if they do get involved in a conflict they won't just be passively defending. These have been developed to blow up the infrastructure of the US and its allies all over the second island chain like Okinawa, Guam, etc.
    The composite construction and more modern engines on this versus the Tu-16 means they have the range to perform those types of missions. The radar dome on it probably means they can engage surface targets like naval ships with their cruise and ballistic missiles as well. In case of conflict these aircraft are supposed to be used to wipe the slate clean and remove any US presence on their side of the Pacific.
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    Post  Isos Tue Nov 30, 2021 11:48 pm

    What missiles are those ?

    That's an old plane but I guess it's enough for stand off weapons, unless their missiles haven't enough range.

    Russians used missiles like kh-22 with a huge range but still with supersonic planes to reduce enemy interception chances.
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Dec 01, 2021 4:13 am

    lancelot wrote:The Chinese sure are cranking up a lot of these H-6Ks and derivatives...

    It's no Tu-160 but it's still way more than most nations have

    If it works it works

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Dec 01, 2021 7:27 am

    Isos wrote:What missiles are those ?

    That's an old plane but I guess it's enough for stand off weapons, unless their missiles haven't enough range.

    Russians used missiles like kh-22 with a huge range but still with supersonic planes to reduce enemy interception chances.

    I would say, KD-63 on the outer pylon, and KD-20 on the inner.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Dec 01, 2021 8:40 am

    The actual design is old, but that does not mean the aircraft they are making now follow the old recipe.

    The original aircraft was designed and built in a period when jet engines were not that great... not particularly powerful and not particularly fuel efficient either, and reliability wasn't amazing.

    With a modern engine its performance could be seriously improved.

    It wont make it supersonic or anything but flight range can be dramatically extended and its operational flight altitudes could be increased...

    How far away would they be with their own Zircon or Kinzhal, and even Yakhonts would be potent weapons even in this day and age.
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    Post  lancelot Wed Dec 01, 2021 9:45 am

    GarryB wrote:How far away would they be with their own Zircon or Kinzhal, and even Yakhonts would be potent weapons even in this day and age.

    Kinzhal would probably have reduce range because this is subsonic. But the H-6N supposedly can carry some sort of ballistic missile. It can also carry the DF-100 cruise missile which should have 2000-3000km range and operate at Mach 4.
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    Post  miketheterrible Wed Dec 01, 2021 12:14 pm

    lancelot wrote:
    GarryB wrote:How far away would they be with their own Zircon or Kinzhal, and even Yakhonts would be potent weapons even in this day and age.

    Kinzhal would probably have reduce range because this is subsonic. But the H-6N supposedly can carry some sort of ballistic missile. It can also carry the DF-100 cruise missile which should have 2000-3000km range and operate at Mach 4.

    'Supposedly'

    Either case, this plane wouldn't be flying in US or Japanese or whatever airspace to use its weapons so it isn't necessary to fly the planes close to where they would strike, making them more than adequate for the task.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Dec 01, 2021 9:57 pm

    Well yes, just as it is launched from a Tu-16 it would lose a lot of speed and range, but then the Tu-16 could also carry a much bigger and heavier version... if you put a large solid rocket booster on the back end of it you could still fly to 12km altitude and release the weapon and the solid rocket booster to accelerate it to higher and faster than a MiG-31 could achieve so you could end up with even better speed and range and it already has the built in capability of detecting enemy air defences and evading them... so you wouldn't need to do much more.

    The basics of the situation is that the Tu-16 was a reasonably decent subsonic bomber and as long as you don't try to make it supersonic or anything then upgrading everything, especially the engines can seriously improve its still subsonic performance.

    The core factor here is price the operating costs of a supersonic bomber are not trivial... there is a reason the US didn't keep the Hustler very long was its enormous costs and yet it still wasn't fast enough to be safe from SAMs.

    A Tu-16 bomber is never going to be a Tu-160 or even a Tu-22M or B-1B, but in terms of costs you could probably operate 3 or 5 for the same price depending on the supersonic type.

    For the anti ship role numbers are important too.

    Extra engine power wont help with higher speed but will let it operate with heavier weapons and achieve longer range performance.

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