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    Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News #1

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    Post  Isos Wed Nov 02, 2016 2:16 pm

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    chinggis wrote:Second video is interesting. To me, it is interesting that MiG29 is take off without use of blast protection plates.  

    It would be interesting to look at how much time it pass between a launch and the second one in  stress situation, given that one of the possible, put forth advantages of STOBAR configuration is allegedly a faster launch rate.

    STOBAR is faster than catapults. The pilot doesn't need to be as pricise as with catapult when he put his plane in position and doesn't wait for the crew arming the catapult.
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    Post  chinggis Wed Nov 02, 2016 6:05 pm

    What have a MiG 29 have it on its belly? Refueling pod?
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    Post  Giulio Wed Nov 02, 2016 8:53 pm

    chinggis wrote:What have a MiG 29 have it on its belly? Refueling pod?

    I think yes.



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    Post  JohninMK Wed Nov 02, 2016 9:58 pm

    The fleet is currently south of Crete doing a steady 11 knots with 900Km or so to go. At this rate of progress Moscow will have those extra Su-33 available when the ceasefire comes off in Aleppo on Friday.

    Does the Su-33 have an air to air refuelling capability?
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    Post  Guest Wed Nov 02, 2016 10:16 pm

    JohninMK wrote:The fleet is currently south of Crete doing a steady 11 knots with 900Km or so to go. At this rate of progress Moscow will have those extra Su-33 available when the ceasefire comes off in Aleppo on Friday.

    Does the Su-33 have an air to air refuelling capability?

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Nov 02, 2016 10:32 pm

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    JohninMK wrote:The fleet is currently south of Crete doing a steady 11 knots with 900Km or so to go. At this rate of progress Moscow will have those extra Su-33 available when the ceasefire comes off in Aleppo on Friday.

    Does the Su-33 have an air to air refuelling capability?

    Thanks.

    So they can launch with weapons rather than fuel. Also they could refuel/rearm at Hmeimim.
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    Post  Giulio Thu Nov 03, 2016 2:00 pm

    Yes, if they want. A Su-27 at high altitude can achieve about a 3.000 km range, they can turn around for a while, the only limit may be the need to go to the bathroom.
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    Post  KiloGolf Fri Nov 04, 2016 8:03 pm

    Looks like the Kuz task force has anchored just a few miles east of Crete.
    Danish frigate Abalson is circling/shadowing nearby.

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    Post  par far Fri Nov 04, 2016 8:17 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:Looks like the Kuz task force has anchored just a few miles east of Crete.
    Danish frigate Abalson is circling/shadowing nearby.

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    When will it arrive on the Syrian coast? We can really use, the KA 52's in Aleppo right about now.
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    Post  JohninMK Fri Nov 04, 2016 11:44 pm


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    Post  GarryB Sat Nov 05, 2016 6:38 am

    Second video is interesting. To me, it is interesting that MiG29 is take off without use of blast protection plates.

    The blast deflection plates are primarily used to protect other crew and aircraft on deck during a takeoff. The main use is when lots of aircraft are getting ready for launch in a high tempo situation.

    It would be interesting to look at how much time it pass between a launch and the second one in stress situation, given that one of the possible, put forth advantages of STOBAR configuration is allegedly a faster launch rate.

    Steam cats need precision settings... use the wrong settings and they cannot be adjusted during a launch.... so a light aircraft might get its nose gear ripped off because the setting might have been for a much larger heavier aircraft, or a heavy aircraft might end up in the water because too light a setting was used and did not increase the aircrafts speed enough to let it get airborne in the space and time allowed.

    An EM cat is rather different and can be much more sophisticated and adapt to light or heavy aircraft during the launch stroke... it can have a target launch speed rather than just a pressure setting.

    I'm not an expert, but first I think that the skijump could be used by an airplane at a time. If you have four catapults, you can use at least two catapults at a time or in very fast succession. And if you don't have a very big flight deck, you can't move aircrafts so agile enough to supply quickly catapults or skijump. You can have skijump or very fast catapults, but for what? If you can't supply them with aircrafts? In a few words: you need a very big ship (and, I think, a nuclear reactor, for the energy for the steam or the electricity for the catapults and for the lifts ...).

    Things like deflector plates and the angled deck means the deck crew can switch from landing aircraft to launching aircraft very quickly.

    You could have two aircraft set up for launch on the ski jump at one time and a third aircraft on the long take off position... launch the front two aircraft and then the long takeoff aircraft and the deck is clear for a plane to land while two more aircraft can be moved to the front take off positions on the ski jump.

    Aircraft with normal loads would not need the long run so in practise the K could launch aircraft two at a time while able to land an aircraft on the rear angled deck.

    Does the Su-33 have an air to air refuelling capability?

    Yes, with buddy refuelling pods.

    When will it arrive on the Syrian coast? We can really use, the KA 52's in Aleppo right about now.

    Would want to see them tested in other areas first so they get to know how to operate them properly first and can check all the systems and weapons work the way they expect them too.
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    Post  par far Sat Nov 05, 2016 2:48 pm

    "WHAT HAPPENED TO ADMIRAL KUZNETSOV: PHOTO OF TOWING OF RUSSIAN AIRCRAFT CARRIER PUBLISHED ONLINE".


    I wonder what happened here, it should have gone right to the Syrian coast.


    https://southfront.org/what-happened-to-admiral-kuznetsov-photo-of-towing-of-russian-aircraft-carrier-published-online/



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    Post  A1RMAN Sat Nov 05, 2016 4:04 pm

    par far wrote:"WHAT HAPPENED TO ADMIRAL KUZNETSOV: PHOTO OF TOWING OF RUSSIAN AIRCRAFT CARRIER PUBLISHED ONLINE".


    I wonder what happened here, it should have gone right to the Syrian coast.


    https://southfront.org/what-happened-to-admiral-kuznetsov-photo-of-towing-of-russian-aircraft-carrier-published-online/




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    Post  Giulio Mon Nov 07, 2016 3:25 pm

    Giulio wrote:
    chinggis wrote:What have a MiG 29 have it on its belly? Refueling pod?

    I think yes.


    I looked better, it seems to me a centerline drop tank.
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    Post  par far Mon Nov 07, 2016 9:37 pm

    Where is the Admiral Kuznetsov right now? And when is it going to arrive on the Syrian coast?
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:09 pm

    par far wrote:Where is the Admiral Kuznetsov right now? And when is it going to arrive on the Syrian coast?


    Eight hours ago they were north of Cyprus. There are claims of a couple of Su-33 over Latakia today.

    Military Advisor ‏@miladvisor 9m9 minutes ago Admiral Kuznetsov naval battle group has reached Cyprus & will reach Syria tomorrow.

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    Post  zardof Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:46 pm

    par far wrote:Where is the Admiral Kuznetsov right now? And when is it going to arrive on the Syrian coast?

    Group still at same position with N Muru group and Grigovitch at 300 km behind.
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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:49 pm

    zardof wrote:
    par far wrote:Where is the Admiral Kuznetsov right now? And when is it going to arrive on the Syrian coast?

    Group still at same position with N Muru group and Grigovitch at 300 km behind.

    Well they are definitely not in a hurry.

    That moment when Russian Navy gives you blue balls... lol1
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    Post  kvs Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:20 am

    Lack of action by this carrier and its escort combined with the Aleppo cease fire over the last few days indicates that Russia
    is in a holding pattern until the US election. This is not to feed the anti-Russian propaganda machine any meat about babies
    bombed to death in Aleppo.

    After the election it will not make any difference and the al-Nusra maggots in east Aleppo will probably not last until Obama leaves
    office.
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    Post  JohninMK Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:53 am

    kvs wrote:Lack of action by this carrier and its escort combined with the Aleppo cease fire over the last few days indicates that Russia
    is in a holding pattern until the US election.   This is not to feed the anti-Russian propaganda machine any meat about babies
    bombed to death in Aleppo.

    After the election it will not make any difference and the al-Nusra maggots in east Aleppo will probably not last until Obama leaves
    office.
    Currently north of the eastern tip of Cyprus, doing about 12 knots which is around their normal cruising speed. At this rate they should meet up with their Black Sea Fleet colleagues Tuesday. That will be quite a sight. Hope we get some pictures.
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    Post  par far Tue Nov 08, 2016 4:57 am

    kvs wrote:Lack of action by this carrier and its escort combined with the Aleppo cease fire over the last few days indicates that Russia
    is in a holding pattern until the US election.   This is not to feed the anti-Russian propaganda machine any meat about babies
    bombed to death in Aleppo.

    After the election it will not make any difference and the al-Nusra maggots in east Aleppo will probably not last until Obama leaves
    office.


    I think everyone know that Hilary is going to win.
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    Post  Giulio Tue Nov 08, 2016 8:31 am

    The Donald is going to win. I know him: we had the same support teacher at school, i groped her while he robbed.
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    Post  JohninMK Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:07 pm

    Looks like the Kutznetsov fleet could have reached its destination. The Nikolay Chiker tug that can be monitored has stopped moving. It is north of a line between Latakia and Cyprus so quite a way north of Tartous.
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    Post  kvs Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:50 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    kvs wrote:Lack of action by this carrier and its escort combined with the Aleppo cease fire over the last few days indicates that Russia
    is in a holding pattern until the US election.   This is not to feed the anti-Russian propaganda machine any meat about babies
    bombed to death in Aleppo.

    After the election it will not make any difference and the al-Nusra maggots in east Aleppo will probably not last until Obama leaves
    office.
    Currently north of the eastern tip of Cyprus, doing about 12 knots which is around their normal cruising speed. At this rate they should meet up with their Black Sea Fleet colleagues Tuesday. That will be quite a sight. Hope we get some pictures.

    They could have gotten to their destination several days earlier if they were not "playing games".
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    Post  JohninMK Wed Nov 09, 2016 9:19 am

    kvs wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    kvs wrote:Lack of action by this carrier and its escort combined with the Aleppo cease fire over the last few days indicates that Russia
    is in a holding pattern until the US election.   This is not to feed the anti-Russian propaganda machine any meat about babies
    bombed to death in Aleppo.

    After the election it will not make any difference and the al-Nusra maggots in east Aleppo will probably not last until Obama leaves
    office.
    Currently north of the eastern tip of Cyprus, doing about 12 knots which is around their normal cruising speed. At this rate they should meet up with their Black Sea Fleet colleagues Tuesday. That will be quite a sight. Hope we get some pictures.

    They could have gotten to their destination several days earlier if they were not "playing games".
    The RuN will call it 'exercises on route' but they got to Syria with nothing going seriously wrong, lots of publicity, plenty of NATO angst on the way and bang on time for the election.

    That's a pretty successful trip I'd say.

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