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    Post  GarryB Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:01 am

    Improved relations with South Africa open all sorts of options too....
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    Post  Hole Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:22 am

    Yes. The guy after Mandela spoke russian.
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    Post  wilhelm Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:17 pm

    Simon's Town naval base just South of Cape Town is the most important naval base in the Southern Hemisphere for a reason. In the mountains near the naval base is a buried Command and Control and Intelligence gathering centre which has a far reach into the Atlantic and Indian oceans. Even during the sanctions era during Apartheid, it was too good to pass up for the West, who's little cooperation with South Africa mainly focussed on the intelligence gathering facilities of this centre, called Silvermine.
    It was used to trade with the West by South Africa.

    The map below shows global maritime commercial traffic.
    There is a reason South Africa built the Silvermine Centre, and bought maritime strike Buccaneer bombers, and built a comprehensive onshore submarine simulation and training centre, and submarine synchrolift at Simon's Town naval base to support their submarines to a high standard.

    The Cape sits astride a very important global route.

    That is a lot of traffic, including VLCC vessels transporting a huge amount of the world's oil...and a lot of commercial goods from Europe and Asia.
    And the bulk of the world's goods and trade goes via sea.

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    Post  George1 Thu Nov 19, 2020 4:48 pm

    Isos wrote:Well they invested money to make it a real base. If they want a base in Sudan they will also need to invest.

    According to the German intel', russians plan to have 7 new bases aboard. I don't remember however if its in the world or just in Africa.

    But since they got involved in Libya, Sudan and CAR, they will for sure build a big base somewhere with 12-20 sukhois to cover their interest. Lot of contracts were signed in Africa specially in mines prospects.

    But I doubt it will in Sudan. Lot of western bases around there. They would be better on the other side of Africa.

    These countries are the Central African Republic, Egypt, Eritrea, Madagascar, Mozambique, and Sudan according to the Foreign Ministry’s leaked document.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-reportedly-signs-deals-allowing-bases-in-6-african-countries-2020-8

    but i find it too much. In Eritrea for example, Russia has tried last years to make a deal for a naval base there but since they will build a facility in sudan now maybe they dont need another port in the same region

    Madagascar and Mozambique probably will allow access to their ports for visits of russian naval ships
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    Post  par far Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:04 pm

    What ships do you guys think will be used for the Naval base in Sudan?
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    Post  Isos Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:14 pm

    par far wrote:What ships do you guys think will be used for the Naval base in Sudan?

    Steregoushchys from the Baltic were supposed to operate there according to Vladimir79.

    I see also some of the new patrol vessels for anti-pirates missiins and protection of their civilian ships.

    They will probably rotate and send anything they can. Then when they get modern ships in good numbers they can allocate some ships specially there with crew rotation with planes.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sat Nov 28, 2020 5:19 am

    https://nvo.ng.ru/realty/2020-11-26/9_1119_usa.html?print=Y
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    Post  George1 Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:05 pm

    Russia received a logistics center on the Red Sea. As follows from the text of the agreement between the Russian Federation and Sudan, signed on December 1, 2020, the parties entered into an agreement for 25 years. The document was published on the portal of legal information.

    https://en.topwar.ru/177919-rossijskij-flot-poluchit-punkt-materialno-tehnicheskogo-obespechenija-na-krasnom-more.html

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:52 pm

    Things r heating up near Ukraine's W. border: https://www.ng.ru/cis/2020-12-08/1_8034_transnistria.html?print=Y

    If they r blocked, Russia may take Odessa to relieve them.
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    Post  GarryB Thu Dec 10, 2020 9:25 am

    They were withdrawing and removing the ammo in question until they were blocked by the Ukraine... if they open up a corridor and ask the Russians to continue what they started there should not be a problem but the peace keepers in situ likely will be a different matter.
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    Post  franco Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:56 pm

    Apparently most of the ammo is old so subject to all the risks that go with that. One Russian official said at least half is not safe to move and would have to be destroyed there.
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    Post  George1 Wed Dec 23, 2020 5:37 pm

    Armenian opposition proposes to place a second Russian military base in the country

    https://en.topwar.ru/178447-armjanskaja-oppozicija-predlagaet-razmestit-v-strane-vtoruju-rossijskuju-voennuju-bazu.html

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    Post  franco Thu Mar 25, 2021 7:41 pm

    Russian bases abroad: 102nd base in Gyumri

    Russia has a limited number of military bases abroad. With the American 800 bases scattered from Guam to Djibouti and from Japan to Bahrain and Afghanistan, there is no sense in "competing" in this regard. And it is not necessary. The point is different.

    This meaning is to ensure security in key sectors and directions for Russia. One of these areas was and remains the Caucasus. And it is there that Russia has one of its foreign military bases - the 102nd base of the RF Armed Forces in the city of Gyumri (Republic of Armenia).

    This base is in many respects determining the security structure of the region.

    One of the components of the Russian 102nd military base in Armenia is the so-called "black fortress", in which defensive positions were and are located, allowing to repulse the enemy.

    The plot "Polygon" on the T24 channel tells about how the base of the Russian armed forces in the Caucasus is arranged, how it can resist terrorist attacks and sabotage attacks. In particular, the correspondent becomes a participant in the operation, during which the personnel of the base release the taken hostage.

    The plot tells about the combat training of the military personnel of the base, about military planning and other nuances of service in Gyumri.

    https://6b6gjclcha6ibjpa45wvvqdamu--topwar-ru.translate.goog/181270-rossijskie-bazy-za-rubezhom-102-ja-baza-v-gjumri.html

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    Post  slasher Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:31 pm

    https://tass.com/world/1284455

    Sudan has suspended the effect of its agreement signed with Russia to build a naval base in the country, Al Arabiya TV reported on Wednesday.

    According to the channel, the agreement "signed by Moscow with the previous regime" is suspended "until it is approved by the legislature." Khartoum has already notified Moscow.

    Could be the US playing a hand in creating an opportunity to meddle in Sudan's politics and scupper the deal.

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    Post  gbu48098 Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:41 pm

    slasher wrote:

    Could be the US playing a hand in creating an opportunity to meddle in Sudan's politics and scupper the deal.
    Nothing surprising, north african arab countries are like weather.

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    Post  George1 Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:52 am

    However it says suspended not cancelled
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    Post  gbu48098 Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:05 am

    George1 wrote:However it says suspended not cancelled
    Most sovereign contracts are written with suspended clauses and usually is the first step.
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    Post  Rasisuki Nebia Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:58 am

    Not surprising to say the least, they even backtracked on the whole Ethiopia dam and want to re-negotiate AGAIN with US mediation, as if the last 10 years didn't happen
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    Post  Backman Thu Apr 29, 2021 4:51 am

    Rasisuki Nebia wrote:Not surprising to say the least, they even backtracked on the whole Ethiopia dam and want to re-negotiate AGAIN with US mediation, as if the last 10 years didn't happen

    It is one of the most strategic places in the world. Just up the way from Djibouti. Where everyone else is piled up in. 


    This was never going to be that easy. The US will do everything it can to stop it. Including overthrowing govt's. 


    Let's just see if Russia can counter and make the plan work again. It's a long term effort. 
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    Post  mnztr Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:15 am

    Does Sudan actually have SU-35's? On Wiki its listed as 4 in service with 36 on order.
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    Post  Backman Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:28 am

    mnztr wrote:Does Sudan actually have SU-35's? On Wiki its listed as 4 in service with 36 on order.

    Hmmm that's what it says.

    They also have Frogfoots. They took delivery of an S-300 in 2019. All of their air force missiles are Russian. Helicopters. 

    Looks like Russia has some leverage here
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    Post  GarryB Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:06 pm

    Might just be that they realise how important this is and that perhaps they could get a better deal.

    Of course if it all goes tits up, it is better to do so before it starts.
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    Post  franco Tue May 04, 2021 12:46 pm

    Two strong points of the Russian military base created in the south of Armenia

    Two strong points of the 102nd Russian base have been established in the south of Armenia in the Syunik region. This was announced by the acting. Prime Minister of the Republic Nikol Pashinyan.

    Thus, the previously announced information about the expansion of the Russian military base in Armenia was confirmed. True, initially there was talk about the creation of one strong point in the Syunik region, and not two, and the redeployment of a part of the Russian military personnel there. The ongoing negotiations between the Defense Ministry of Russia and Armenia were reported in mid-April this year.

    According to Pashinyan, the deployment of the Russian military on the border with Azerbaijan and Iran will serve as an additional guarantee of security not only for the Syunik region, but for the whole of Armenia.

    Earlier, the Armenian opposition announced the need to open a second Russian military base on the territory of Armenia, but the Ministry of Defense of the republic rejected this proposal, stating that the agreement between the countries provides for the deployment of only one. Therefore, it was proposed to expand the capabilities of the 102nd military base in Gyumri with the redeployment of part of the military personnel to the Syunik region.

    The 102nd Russian military base has been deployed in Gyumri since 1995. The total number of personnel is about 5 thousand people. The base also includes the Erebuni airfield in Yerevan. The airbase is armed with modernized MiG-29 fighters, Mi-24P attack helicopters and military transport Mi-8MT.

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    Post  PapaDragon Tue May 04, 2021 4:22 pm


    Franco wrote:Syunik region...

    Gotta keep an eye on that corridor that FSB now runs better Azeris and Turks

    Lots of money will be going through there and Aliev will not want to slaughter that golden goose despite how much sultan insists on resumption of war

    Slick move...

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    Post  lyle6 Tue May 04, 2021 10:25 pm

    Grab them by the balls, and their hearts and minds would follow.

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