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    Post  Austin Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:29 am

    Zoltan Dani: I shot down US stealth fighter

    NATO’s military operation against Yugoslavia has already gone down in history. The 1999 Operation Merciful Angel specifically saw the shooting down by Serbia of an F-117 stealth fighter which was billed as an invulnerable aircraft by the United States. The F-117 was downed by Colonel Zoltan Dani, former commander of the 3rd battery of the 250th Missile Brigade in Belgrade, on March 27, 1999.

    In an interview with the Voice of Russia broadcast on Friday, Dani, who retired in 2004 and now owns a small bakery outside Belgrade, elaborated on the March 27 events:

    “At about 18:00 local time, we were ordered to turn on the system. We checked out the functionality of the missile defense system, reporting that the 3rd battery was on combat alert. After 20:00, a NATO airstrike began which prompted us to turn on the radar that tracked down an approaching target. We asked the mission control center to act against this aircraft, and at 20:41 we got the go-ahead. At 20:42, the target was destroyed. It took us 18 seconds to do so.”

    How did you manage to spot the stealth fighter?

    To that end, we used the Soviet-made P18 meter band radar which is capable of tracking any warplane irrespective of the configuration of its fuselage. The radar started to emit and we discovered a target at a distance of 15 kilometers – something that our operators were distinctly seeing on a display. I was quick to order the launch of a missile which destroyed the target.

    You mean that you managed to shoot down the sophisticated aircraft with the help of the vintage S-125Neva anti-aircraft system?

    I don’t quite agree with you. Of course, Russia has more advanced missile defense systems, but I proceed from the assumption that a cat’s color does not contribute to its ability to catch mice. At the time, the S-125Neva was believed to be a rather advanced system, and we had no other systems to tackle NATO airstrikes.

    Is it true that you subsequently got acquainted with a pilot of the downed F-117?

    I only want to say that a relevant documentary, the Second Meeting, is due to be released before the end of this year. It took us almost four years to meet – an occasion that was held in a positive atmosphere and that helped us to bolster our communication which is still under way. Our project aims to hammer home how important world peace and family values are…
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    Post  GarryB Sun Mar 25, 2012 12:44 am

    Moved to a more relevant thread, though if you want I can move it to the Kosovo section.

    Regarding the post, stealth does not make the aircraft invisible, it just reduces the range at which radars of a precise radar band can detect the aircraft.

    By being close to the flight path of the F-117 and not turning the radar on too soon they managed to catch the F-117 with its pants down.

    If the radar had been on all the time the F-117 pilot would have detected it and changed his flight plan and flown around the edge at which US Intel have calculated that the radar can detect an get a solid lock on his aircraft.

    By turning it on at the last minute the F-117 was given no time to leave the engagement area of the system and was hit.

    A good example showing that even old equipment used well can be very effective against the latest stuff.
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    Post  Werewolf Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:34 pm



    Well i have two friends who are mocking always with that joke, the one is a syrian and the other is a serbian guy. Very Happy
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    Post  Viktor Sat Nov 24, 2012 6:06 pm

    This one is better.

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    Post  Werewolf Sat Nov 24, 2012 6:15 pm

    Viktor wrote:This one is better.


    Indeed
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    Post  indochina Mon May 13, 2013 8:21 am

    Let me ask a little bit, exactly, the F-117 was shot down by the elements? as I've read, there are three factors (or maybe all three factors contributing to shoot down the F-117)

    - The system of passive electronic reconnaissance Tamara?

    http://www.456fis.org/F-117_SHOT_DOWN.htm

    - Use three or more radar network stations to trap F-117 in the triangulation (triangulate)

    http://lurnq.com/lesson/Under-The-Radar-The-World-Of-A-Stealth-Aircraft/section/The-Cons-Of-Operating-A-Stealth-Aircraft/

    - Using radar L-band long wavelength/low frequency of the former Soviet Union 1950

    http://www.oocities.org/azizforever/article1.html
    http://www.defenceaviation.com/2007/02/how-was-f-117-shot-down-part-1.html
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    Post  indochina Sun May 19, 2013 3:19 am

    Who can help ? who know ?
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    Post  Viktor Mon May 20, 2013 1:41 am

    Dont complicate the thing. Read about the system that shoot down F-117.

    There is no passive radar, three radar ect thing. In order to fire missile from S-125 you need to lock to your target

    and keep the lock during the whole flight of the missile toward target. What that means is that you need to see F-117 on your search

    radar and shortly after on your fire radar and be able to track the target all the time.
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    Post  George1 Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:45 am

    At the Military Museum in Belgrade, a launcher of the S-125M SAM was installed, which shot down the F-117A aircraft

    Serbian media reported that on March 23, 2017, in the Serbian Military Museum in Kalemegdan in Belgrade, an opening ceremony was held as an exhibit of the 5P73 launcher of the Soviet anti-aircraft missile system S-125M "Neva-M" installed there, with anti-aircraft missiles B-601PD. This launcher was part of the 3rd missile battalion of the 250th Air Defense Missile Brigade of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (FRY), on March 27, 1999, the American unobtrusive fighter-bomber Lockheed F-117A Nighthawk, who shot down over Serbia, was the loudest success Yugoslav military forces in the fight against NATO intervention.

    The ceremony in Kalemegdan was timed to coincide with the 18th anniversary of the beginning of the NATO air campaign against the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia on March 24. The ceremony was attended by the State Secretary of the Ministry of Defense of Serbia Nenad Neric, representatives of the highest Serbian military command, officers and veterans of the 3rd missile battalion of the 250th SAM missile brigade.

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    Installed in the Serbian Military Museum in Kalemegdan, Belgrade, as an exhibit, the 5P73 launcher of the S-125M Neva-M anti-aircraft missile system from the 3rd missile battalion of the 250th Air Defense Missile Brigade of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. 23.03.2017 (с) Ministry of Defense of Serbia

    On the bmpd side, we point out that from 1977 to 1982 Yugoslavia received 12 divisions of the S-125M Neva-M missile system from the USSR, three technical battalions, 1205 B-601PD anti-aircraft missiles and three training missiles. In 1983, all Yugoslav complexes of the S-125M were modernized.

    After the disintegration of the "big Yugoslavia", the air force and air defense of the FRY retained all the basic materiel of these complexes, which by the beginning of 1999 constituted the basis of the anti-aircraft defense of "small Yugoslavia", consisting of the 250th anti-aircraft missile brigade (Belgrade air defense, eight divisions of the S-125M SAM, Two reserve divisions, three reserve stations for the detection of the SNR-125M) and the 450th anti-aircraft missile regiment (Kraljevo, four S-125M divisions and the reserve station CHR-125).

     During the repetition of the NATO air campaign in March-June 1999, it was the 3rd missile battalion of the 250th anti-aircraft missile brigade commanded by Colonel Zoltan Dani, who managed to achieve both reliably confirmed victories of the Yugoslav air defense in this conflict, having downed the US subtle on March 27, 1999 Fighter-bomber Lockheed F-117A Nighthawk, and on May 2 - American fighter Lockheed Martin F-16C.

    The F-117A aircraft (USS 82-0806, the name "Something Wicked", the call sign "Vega 31"), piloted by the US Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Dale Zelko, was shot down by the B-601PD missile of the C-125M complex of the 3rd Missile Division near the Serbian village Bujanovtsi near the town of Rum (40 km west of Belgrade) on the evening of March 27, 1999. The aircraft was shot down by the standard method of aiming the missile with the use of the escorting station CHP-125M, without any thermal imaging devices. The pilot Dale Zelko ejected and after seven hours was taken out by an American search and rescue group by helicopter MN-53. This is the only reliable combat loss of the F-117A.

    The Yugoslav 3rd Rocket Division of the 250th Anti-aircraft Missile Brigade changed its position 22 times during the 1999 fighting, was subjected to 23 strikes of HARM anti-radar missiles and two bomb strikes, and did not suffer losses in the material part and people. However, in general, during the campaign, the 250th anti-aircraft missile brigade lost as a result of the strikes of the NATO forces, the disused match of seven divisions of the S-125M SAM from the 10 available (together with the spare), and the 450th anti-aircraft missile regiment lost all four divisions .

    The 250th anti-aircraft missile brigade still remains the backbone of the Serbian air defense system, now known as the 250th Air Defense Brigade (control in Banytsa, Belgrade) and having two divisions of the modernized S-125M1T SAM and three self-propelled ZKK 2K12 "Cub" divisions.

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    Installed in the Serbian Military Museum in Kalemegdan in Belgrade as an exhibit, the 5P73 launcher of the S-125M Neva-M anti-aircraft missile system from the 3rd missile battalion of the 250th Air Force and Air Defense Alert of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, and the veterans of the unit, Who participated in the downing of the American low-profile Loclheed F-117A aircraft on 27.03.1999. 23.03.2017 (с) Ministry of Defense of Serbia

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2508253.html
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    Post  lyle6 Wed Dec 02, 2020 9:53 am

    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/37894/yes-serbian-air-defenses-did-hit-another-f-117-during-operation-allied-force-in-1999?s=08

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    Post  LMFS Wed Dec 02, 2020 4:28 pm

    The evidence that the Americans lie all the time is simply overwhelming. Especially when it serves the purpose of building up their reputation and deterring anyone from daring to oppose them. In fact their prestige is more relevant than their actual capabilities, but much cheaper...

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    Post  KoTeMoRe Wed Dec 02, 2020 5:55 pm

    What if I told you there were at least one more...that crash landed in Zagreb.

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    Post  lyle6 Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:43 am

    LMFS wrote:The evidence that the Americans lie all the time is simply overwhelming. Especially when it serves the purpose of building up their reputation and deterring anyone from daring to oppose them. In fact their prestige is more relevant than their actual capabilities, but much cheaper...

    Its the Sparta model: showboat against much weaker opponents to build up rep, but when faced against foes that could fight back, leverage that rep to build-up a coalition of allies while maintaining a venier of elitism through hefty doses of propaganda i.e. its always the 300 of Thermopylae, but never not the 7000 Greeks present in total. Of course the Americans can back up most of that rep with their military might, but it never hurts to be seen as a foe who is virtually unchallengable than someone who can be.

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    Post  Godric Fri Dec 04, 2020 3:35 am

    lyle6 wrote:https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/37894/yes-serbian-air-defenses-did-hit-another-f-117-during-operation-allied-force-in-1999?s=08


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    Post  kvs Fri Dec 04, 2020 4:14 am

    I wonder why the yanquis are not demanding the F-117A wreckage back. They want the junk Russia "seized" in Georgia in
    2008.

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    Post  kvs Fri Dec 04, 2020 4:17 am

    lyle6 wrote:
    LMFS wrote:The evidence that the Americans lie all the time is simply overwhelming. Especially when it serves the purpose of building up their reputation and deterring anyone from daring to oppose them. In fact their prestige is more relevant than their actual capabilities, but much cheaper...

    Its the Sparta model: showboat against much weaker opponents to build up rep, but when faced against foes that could fight back, leverage that rep to build-up a coalition of allies while maintaining a venier of elitism through hefty doses of propaganda i.e. its always the 300 of Thermopylae, but never not the 7000 Greeks present in total. Of course the Americans can back up most of that rep with their military might, but it never hurts to be seen as a foe who is virtually unchallengable than someone who can be.

    They can back it up only so much. Objective evaluation of their performance in Korea and Vietnam as well as WWII in Europe indicates
    that they are over hyped.

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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Dec 04, 2020 5:00 am

    kvs wrote:I wonder why the yanquis are not demanding the F-117A wreckage back. They want the junk Russia "seized" in Georgia in
    2008.

    They are demanding it back

    Constantly

    But you can guess the answer

    (They should have been more worried about all the wreckage samples sent to China and Russia free of charge for shits and giggles) Cool





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    Post  nemrod Fri Mar 12, 2021 2:06 pm

    I remember when I used to claim this, too many people had been trying to debunk me. We had to wait for 20 years for confirmation by the US responsible for such casualties. How much shall we wait again, for a B-2 downed by Serbian air defense?
    During Desert Storm 1991, several F-117 were spotted by Iraqi radars too, and there are rumours that at least one F-117 was downed and crashed in the Saudi desert.


    Former F-117 Pilot Confirms The Serbian Air Defenses Second Hit On American Stealth Fighter During Operation Allied Force

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    The successful shootdown of a U.S. Air Force F-117 Nighthawk stealth fighter over Yugoslavia in 1999 quickly became well known as the only successful attack on a manned stealth aircraft using the surface-to-air missiles.

    You might have heard about the U.S. Air Force’s F-117 Nighthawk stealth attack jets came to be shot down over Serbia during Operation Allied Force on March 27, 1999. The loss of “Vega 31” and the subsequent recovery of pilot Lieutenant Colonel Dale Zelko. What’s less well known is that another F-117 was hit by a Serbian air defense system during that same campaign, but details of what happened have only recently become available.

    In the latest edition of The Afterburn podcast, which you can listen to in full here, retired Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Charlie “Tuna” Hainline, a former F-117 pilot, confirms what had, for many years, been a rumor: that a second stealth jet was hit by the Serbians, but managed to return to base. While noting that much about the incident in Allied Force remains classified, he still provides some fascinating details of what appears to be a previously unconfirmed event.

    Retired U.S. Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Charlie Hainline confirmed on an episode of The Afterburn podcast that a second F-117 had been neutralised from the ground.

    “I kind of looked to my right over Belgrade, and [saw] this huge missile coming up – it looks like a Saturn V thing,” Hainline recalled. “I knew my number two guy was over there somewhere. Then I see another launch – this big glow, and even from that far away you can see a lot of detail. The plume, the smoke going, and then just this ball of fire coming up towards you … As I’m heading towards this target, one missile explodes and the other one kind of goes up into space.”

    Hainline reportedly lost track of his wingman until the aircraft reappeared at a tanker rendezvous with all lights off and unable to match the speed of the tanker to refuel.

    “His airplane wasn’t in really good shape,” the officer recalled, with the heavily damaged F-117 eventually limping back to base.

    Hainline’s efforts to ensure his wingman made it home safely were rewarded with the Distinguished Flying Cross, a commendation for “heroism or extraordinary achievement while participating in an aerial flight.”

    The shootdown is thought to have taken place on April 30th, 1999, and the damaged stealth fighter war irreparable and had to be immediately retired from service.

    As the F-117 was a twin-engine design, using the same configuration of dual F404 engines as the U.S. Navy’s F-18 Hornet fighters, it could survive many kinds of hits and the loss of an engine and still return to base intact.

    This benefit of twin-engine jets is one of the key reasons why the U.S. Navy for years refused to deploy single-engine designs and a reason why Russia today fields no single-engine fighters despite aircraft with single engines usually being much easier to maintain and cheaper to operate.

    The destruction of a second F-117 fighter is one of several suspected Yugoslav hits against NATO aircraft using air defences from the 1960s or earlier with modernised electronic warfare systems, which when also considering the poor state of the country’s defences during a state of effective civil war reflects poorly on how NATO air units would have fared against a modern Soviet air defence force orders of magnitude larger and several decades ahead in terms of sophistication. With the F-117 being considered by far the most survivable Western fighter in the world, the implications of its loss to very meagre defences were serious.

    https://fighterjetsworld.com/air/former-f-117-pilot-confirms-the-serbian-air-defenses-second-hit-on-american-stealth-fighter-during-operation-allied-force/24191/

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    Post  kvs Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:32 pm

    The yanquis cover up their losses for sure. There was lots of dick stroking posturing about the deployment of Apaches in 1999. When they
    tried to send them in they lost several and totally cancelled the operation and subsequent use of these attack helicopters. You would never
    know that this actually happened in the western fake stream dominated information space.

    The Apaches may be useful in the flat desert for sniping from several kilometers away, but they are highly vulnerable to even machine gun
    fire in mountainous (large hill) terrain.

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    Post  Isos Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:59 pm

    Even in the desert they would be easy targets if you have decent weapons and trained soldiers.

    Having cheap igla-s, sosna-R, ZSU-23-4 or tunguska spread everywhere in you country makes them hard to use.

    That's why IMO you must have a thousand of such AD systems spread in your country and not only protecting your troops or high value targets.

    Enemy planes or helicopters will be more cautious when near the target but not so much when cruising.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Fri Mar 12, 2021 7:58 pm

    kvs wrote:The yanquis cover up their losses for sure.   There was lots of dick stroking posturing about the deployment of Apaches in 1999.   When they
    tried to send them in they lost several and totally cancelled the operation and subsequent use of these attack helicopters.   You would never
    know that this actually happened in the western fake stream dominated information space.  

    The Apaches may be useful in the flat desert for sniping from several kilometers away, but they are highly vulnerable to even machine gun
    fire in mountainous (large hill) terrain.  

    The Apache helicopter doesn't even have bullet proof glass, even 7.62x39mm fire from AK-47/AKM's could penetrate and kill Apache pilots if fired through it's window panes. Let's not even mention what autocannons of the 12.7mm, 14.5mm, 23mm, 30mm, 40mm, 57mm caliber could do! Twisted Evil attack

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    Post  Isos Fri Mar 12, 2021 8:17 pm

    Only window ? Isn't the structure also not armored ?

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