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    Post  Arrow Thu Sep 19, 2019 4:05 pm

    https://www.defensenews.com/digital-show-dailies/2019/09/16/the-us-air-forces-radical-plan-for-a-future-fighter-could-field-a-jet-in-5-years/

    Amazing and apparently they are not so innovative Shocked

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    Post  thegopnik Thu Sep 19, 2019 4:21 pm

    Arrow wrote:https://www.defensenews.com/digital-show-dailies/2019/09/16/the-us-air-forces-radical-plan-for-a-future-fighter-could-field-a-jet-in-5-years/

    Amazing and apparently they are not so innovative Shocked


    And just like the F-35 it wont have half the shit operational but will receive an operational sticker attached to it anyways.
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    Post  marcellogo Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:20 pm

    Arrow wrote:https://www.defensenews.com/digital-show-dailies/2019/09/16/the-us-air-forces-radical-plan-for-a-future-fighter-could-field-a-jet-in-5-years/

    Amazing and apparently they are not so innovative Shocked

    The century series as a role model of good development practise, NOW I have seen everything. No No No

    Of all them the only real successful one was... the F-4.

    F-100 was obsolete in less time it got to be developed, F-101 from the very beginning , F-102 was an F-106 without area ruling, F-104 began to be,I wouldn't say , effective but almost to have a sense only when Germans and Italian respectively went to correct the ludicrous operative role USAF gave them first, F-105 was nicknamed the "THUD", guess why? and the F-106 was a Century series passed trough a second phase of development i.e. it was the exact contrary to what the article called for...

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    Post  Godric Fri Sep 20, 2019 12:54 am

    marcellogo wrote:
    Arrow wrote:https://www.defensenews.com/digital-show-dailies/2019/09/16/the-us-air-forces-radical-plan-for-a-future-fighter-could-field-a-jet-in-5-years/

    Amazing and apparently they are not so innovative Shocked

    The century series as a role model of good development practise, NOW I have seen everything. No  No  No

    Of all them the only real successful one was... the F-4.

    F-100 was obsolete in less time it got to be developed, F-101 from the very beginning , F-102 was an F-106 without area ruling, F-104 began to be,I wouldn't say , effective but almost to have a sense only when Germans and Italian respectively went to correct the ludicrous operative role USAF gave them first, F-105 was nicknamed the "THUD", guess why? and the F-106 was a Century series passed trough a second phase of development i.e. it was the exact contrary to what the article called for...

    Luftwaffe dubbed the Starfighter the flying coffin because they lost so many qualified/experienced pilots

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Fri Sep 20, 2019 1:08 am

    Godric wrote:
    marcellogo wrote:
    Arrow wrote:https://www.defensenews.com/digital-show-dailies/2019/09/16/the-us-air-forces-radical-plan-for-a-future-fighter-could-field-a-jet-in-5-years/

    Amazing and apparently they are not so innovative Shocked

    The century series as a role model of good development practise, NOW I have seen everything. No  No  No

    Of all them the only real successful one was... the F-4.

    F-100 was obsolete in less time it got to be developed, F-101 from the very beginning , F-102 was an F-106 without area ruling, F-104 began to be,I wouldn't say , effective but almost to have a sense only when Germans and Italian respectively went to correct the ludicrous operative role USAF gave them first, F-105 was nicknamed the "THUD", guess why? and the F-106 was a Century series passed trough a second phase of development i.e. it was the exact contrary to what the article called for...

    Luftwaffe dubbed the Starfighter the flying coffin because they lost so many qualified/experienced pilots

    Which explains why the Luftwaffe was more than willing to let go of purchasing Lockheed F-35's (let alone VTOL variants).

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    Post  thegopnik Tue Jan 24, 2023 5:23 am

    Paralay is the best fucking troll out there man Laughing Laughing Laughing It took me awhile to get the joke, and I started laughing even more like an idiot when the bottom user did not know that Paralay was fucking around made it even more funny. https://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=57828&p=478963#p478963 I will share the screenshots to be sure they don't get deleted later.

    USAF 6th Generation Fighters - Page 2 Ngad110

    USAF 6th Generation Fighters - Page 2 Ngad210

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    USAF 6th Generation Fighters - Page 2 Ngad410

    Those that dont get the Joke he basically made his own 6th gen Russian design but used it with 1st stage Su-57 engines to go mock the **** out of the NGADs engine performance. We know that the Su-57 1st stage engines is 3,500kms max range and 4,500kms with fuel tanks and the thrust parameters look the same on wikipedia. The 4th photos is for laughs because what Paralay posted was a joke that went over users head and apparently, he missed it. Over 80 users were looking at the thread and no one after the user hkultala posted so far for quite some time. I think they were able to at least process the joke. I am in tears because it is like a dead silence, and I am wondering if anyone will break the ice or move along with the topic of their thread.

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    Post  The-thing-next-door Tue Jan 24, 2023 12:15 pm

    Would the PAK-DP not qualify as a 6th generation "fighter" by the standards the americans have set?
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    Post  thegopnik Wed Jan 25, 2023 12:42 am

    more than likely a 7th gen based on NGAD being classified as 6 with those specs.
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sun Jun 23, 2024 4:32 pm

    NGAD got cancelled -

    https://breakingdefense.com/2024/06/allvin-no-decision-made-on-ngad-but-difficult-choices-loom/

    https://defensescoop.com/2024/06/21/air-force-ngad-delay-cancellation-analysis/

    Many implications for VKS

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    Post  GarryB Mon Jun 24, 2024 2:06 am

    No Gonads for America... how can they preach generational superiority when their new aircraft that is better than anything else is cancelled?

    It can of course be better than anything else when it is fictional because no one can point out its faults and problems and delays and cost overruns just yet, but once it is cancelled what do you do?

    Start again with a new concept plane that is more realistic and sensible, or go full retard and talk about ion engines and laser weapons and photonic radar systems?

    Or maybe invest in getting your current fleet up to a decent standard and working properly before wasting time and money on a replacement that will have lots of its own problems.

    Of course Americas problem is that its wealth comes from colonialism where they earn money through abuse and bullying not to mention military threats and conflicts.

    Most of their wars are about oil or payments and nothing to do with freedom or democracy. They care about womens rights in Iran and China, but not in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon Jun 24, 2024 4:43 pm

    Tech refresh III is a failure

    Indian programmers can’t debug the C language

    Using C is just evidence of shortage of technical skill, the US military was flying high on ADA, now they can barely outsource debugging to Indian C programmers

    The death of NGAD is also the end of F35

    Soon they will find some excuse to stop production of that as well

    And they will be left with some 300-400 F35

    And F15X

    And Supa dupa 6th gen was reduced to paltry F35 with old software and F15X as the controller for wingman drones

    Hilarious

    Better for VKS to focus on implanting their best AESA and unmanned software and continuing to make Su57 in big numbers

    No one besides China is left in the race

    J20 and su57 will be the last standing 5/6 gen fighters

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    Post  GarryB Tue Jun 25, 2024 4:35 am

    But the article title was: the-us-air-forces-radical-plan-for-a-future-fighter-could-field-a-jet-in-5-years/

    And that article came out five years ago so instead of fielding a fighter now, they have cancelled it.

    Is this the inevitable consequence of stopping spying on the Soviets and the Russians and spying instead on their HATO allies?

    Which way has the incompetence spread... US to EU or EU to US?

    Or is the stereotype true... fat cats are just lazy so when they got fat enough all they cared about was food and when they were going to be eating next...

    It is a shame Russia has so many dated aircraft designs or this would really be of benefit to them.

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