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    Post  Jelena on Fri Aug 14, 2009 4:45 am

    Turkey, US and Israel to launch military exercises next week
    Wednesday, August 12, 2009
    JERUSALEM - Agence France-Presse

    The United States, Israel and Turkey will launch joint military exercises in the Mediterranean next week, the Israeli army said Tuesday.
    Turkey, US and Israel to launch military exercises next week

    The navies and air forces of the three countries will take part in the drills, dubbed "Reliant Mermaid X", from August 17 to 21.

    "The objective of this exercise is to practice coordinated emergency search and rescue procedures and measures for safety of life at sea," the Israeli army said in a statement.

    Eight ships, four helicopters and three search and rescue aircraft will take part. Hosted by Turkey in the eastern Mediterranean, it is the 10th such exercise in as many years between the allies.

    Israel and the U.S. are linked by a strategic cooperation agreement.

    Turkey is Israel's principal ally in the region and both countries have close economic ties following a military cooperation agreement in 1996.

    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=turkey-us-and-israel-to-launch-military-exercises-2009-08-12
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Fri Aug 14, 2009 5:11 am

    Erdogen doesnt' have much love for Usrael. We have similar exercises with Turkey already in the Black Sea. The nuklear deal is really going to change the balance of influence in that country.
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    Post  Jelena on Fri Aug 14, 2009 5:41 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:Erdogen doesnt' have much love for Usrael.

    Never underestimate the power of money...
    One Turk today described that as "temporary diplomatic crisis" but their relationships are never completely broken.
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Fri Aug 14, 2009 5:45 am

    Jelena wrote:

    Never underestimate the power of money...
    One Turk today described that as "temporary diplomatic crisis" but their relationships are never completely broken.

    If it is a matter of money, who is Turkey's biggest trading partner = Russian Federation.
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    Post  Jelena on Fri Aug 14, 2009 5:54 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    Jelena wrote:

    Never underestimate the power of money...
    One Turk today described that as "temporary diplomatic crisis" but their relationships are never completely broken.

    If it is a matter of money, who is Turkey's biggest trading partner = Russian Federation.

    Sure but take a look at the map and tell me what you see (Iran position) .Israel needs Turkey and Turkey is locked in HATO/US.Correct me if I'm wrong but I do believe that it ain't going to end up in nice way...Too much speculation about Iran lately.

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    Post  Vladimir79 on Fri Aug 14, 2009 6:47 am

    Jelena wrote:

    Sure but take a look at the map and tell me what you see (Iran position) .Israel needs Turkey and Turkey is locked in HATO/US.Correct me if I'm wrong but I do believe that it ain't going to end up in nice way...Too much speculation about Iran lately.

    It doesn't matter what Israel needs, it matters what Turkey needs. Turkey needs to fight PKK, petrol, gaz, nuklear power, Russian tourists and markets. Without Russian involvement, the Turkish economy would collapse. They went begging to the US for Apache's and they were rejected. Now they come to buy Mi-28N attack helicopters. The US tried to use them as a launching point for Iraq and they were rejected. Turkey invades N. Iraq every couple years inspite of US efforts. Obama tries to get them to open Armenia border and they renig. The US has no control over them anymore. Turkey doesn't care about Iran. They are not enemies. The two concerns for Turkey are Russian and EU relations, that is where their future lies. The only reason Turkey has anything to do with the US is to get aid and the US is not getting anything in return except a NATO airbase with limited usage rights.
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    Post  Jelena on Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:27 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:

    It doesn't matter what Israel needs, it matters what Turkey needs. Turkey needs to fight PKK, petrol, gaz, nuklear power, Russian tourists and markets. Without Russian involvement, the Turkish economy would collapse. They went begging to the US for Apache's and they were rejected. Now they come to buy Mi-28N attack helicopters. The US tried to use them as a launching point for Iraq and they were rejected. Turkey invades N. Iraq every couple years inspite of US efforts. Obama tries to get them to open Armenia border and they renig. The US has no control over them anymore. Turkey doesn't care about Iran. They are not enemies. The two concerns for Turkey are Russian and EU relations, that is where their future lies. The only reason Turkey has anything to do with the US is to get aid and the US is not getting anything in return except a NATO airbase with limited usage rights.


    Vladimir, I agree with you however Turko-Israeli relationship is more complexed as it seems at first glance and I read that their general chef of stuff Ilker Basbug is Jewish and Erdogan is ethnic Georgian.Also, before Islam majority of Turks were this : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karaite_Judaism .
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    Post  Sinan on Fri Nov 25, 2016 8:37 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    Jelena wrote:

    Never underestimate the power of money...
    One Turk today described that as "temporary diplomatic crisis" but their relationships are never completely broken.

    If it is a matter of money, who is Turkey's biggest trading partner = Russian Federation.

    Germany. Russia have never been in the first place...i doubt even if it's in the top 10.
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    Post  Sinan on Fri Nov 25, 2016 8:40 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    Jelena wrote:

    Sure but take a look at the map and tell me what you see (Iran position) .Israel needs Turkey and Turkey is locked in HATO/US.Correct me if I'm wrong but I do believe that it ain't going to end up in nice way...Too much speculation about Iran lately.

    It doesn't matter what Israel needs, it matters what Turkey needs.  Turkey needs to fight PKK, petrol, gaz, nuklear power, Russian tourists and markets.  Without Russian involvement, the Turkish economy would collapse.  They went begging to the US for Apache's and they were rejected.  Now they come to buy Mi-28N attack helicopters.  The US tried to use them as a launching point for Iraq and they were rejected.  Turkey invades N. Iraq every couple years inspite of US efforts.  Obama tries to get them to open Armenia border and they renig.  The US has no control over them anymore.  Turkey doesn't care about Iran.  They are not enemies.  The two concerns for Turkey are Russian and EU relations, that is where their future lies.  The only reason Turkey has anything to do with the US is to get aid and the US is not getting anything in return except a NATO airbase with limited usage rights.

    Russia has a very small percentage in our economy...recent crysis showed that sanctions from Russia is very ineffective against Turkey.

    We never asked Apaches from US, like wise never asked for Mi-28...i wonder who is telling these lies to you guys.

    Also we are getting no US aid..we are not Israel.
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    Post  Airman on Mon Dec 05, 2016 5:28 pm

    Israeli Ambassador Presents His Credentials to President Erdoğan

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    http://www.tccb.gov.tr/en/news/542/65242/israil-buyukelcisinden-guven-mektubu.html
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    Post  flamming_python on Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:54 pm

    Pretty funny.
    Turkey undermining Israel in Jerusalem  What a Face

    https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2019/10/israel-turkey-palestinians-east-jerusalem-erdogan-katz.html

    Erdogan, Sultan of Jerusalem?

    Mordechai Goldman October 17, 2019

    No one who has visited Jerusalem over the past few years will be surprised by the preponderance of red Turkish flags with their crescent and star, fluttering over the city’s eastern Palestinian neighborhoods. These flags are just one visible manifestation of a major effort by the Turkish government to establish a presence in the Israeli capital. Investigative reports in the press, conducted over the last few years, have revealed the scope of Turkish activity in Jerusalem, which includes the renovation of homes, restoration of mosques and efforts to expose the residents of East Jerusalem to Turkish culture, including cooking workshops and Turkish-language classes. These efforts also include increasing involvement in the affairs of Al-Aqsa Mosque, as described by Ben Caspit in July 2018.

    Three groups oversee Turkish activity in Jerusalem: TIKA (Turkish Cooperation and Coordination Agency), which is an international Turkish humanitarian organization, and two local groups, Our Heritage and the Rock of Charity. Now, however, Israel has decided to put an end to this Turkish involvement in Jerusalem affairs. In fact, on Oct. 6, Foreign Minister Yisrael Katz ordered his ministry to prepare plans to put an end to these activities. As part of the ministry’s plan, Israel intends to revoke the head of TIKA’s diplomatic status in Jerusalem, effectively making his presence in Israel illegal. “The era of the Ottoman Empire is over. Turkey has no reason to be in Jerusalem,” said the Foreign Ministry in an especially bellicose statement. “[Turkish President Recep Tayyip] Erdogan’s declarations that Jerusalem belongs to all Muslims are absolutely baseless and ridiculous. Israel maintains sovereignty in Jerusalem, while ensuring freedom of worship for all religions. We will not allow anyone to interrupt this sovereignty.”

    At the forefront of efforts to pressure the government on this issue is Maor Tzemach, chairman of Lach Yerushalayim, a local organization that keeps close track of Turkish activity in Jerusalem. “There is Islamic dawa [charitable] activity by Turkey here,” he told Al-Monitor. “People wandering around East Jerusalem might think that they are visiting a Turkish city. There are voluminous amounts of flags, stickers and signage, and the Turkish presence is very obvious. This includes charitable activity. In winter, they distribute heaters, warm clothing and food stamps. Last Ramadan, they handed out $100 to all businesses in the Old City. They are involved in the educational system, they renovate buildings and they organize heavily subsidized and even free trips [from Turkey to Al-Aqsa Mosque]. As someone on the ground here, I am constantly surprised by the scope of this activity."

    Hay Eytan Cohen Yanarocak, a Turkish-born expert on modern Turkey at Tel Aviv University, is convinced that what Turkey is doing is no innocent charitable activity. “We are talking about a neo-Ottoman policy that Erdogan has been promoting over the past few years. Its goal is to bolster Turkish control in Jerusalem,” he told Al-Monitor. “As far as he is concerned, the fact that the Ottomans once ruled here means that he is no stranger to Jerusalem. He is also challenging Israeli sovereignty in the city. Turkish activity in Jerusalem is his way of engaging in the soft conquest of al-Quds [Jerusalem].”

    Pinhas Inbari, senior analyst at the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs, authored a study on the topic of Turkish activity in Jerusalem (July 2018). He claims that in the heat of their desire to rehabilitate the Ottoman legacy in Jerusalem, the Turks have renovated Mamluk buildings, which they then pass off as Ottoman. “Apart from the city walls, built by Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent, there aren’t many Ottoman sites in Jerusalem. In contrast, the Mamluks invested quite a bit on construction in Jerusalem, and that’s good enough for Erdogan,” he told Al-Monitor. “It demonstrates his desire to flood Jerusalem with ties to the Ottoman Empire.”

    Israeli experts estimate that another person particularly concerned about the situation is King Abdullah of Jordan, who has a special status in Jerusalem as “Protector of the Holy Sites.” The Foreign Ministry’s statement refers to these Jordanian concerns. “In accordance with the peace treaty with Jordan, the Jordanians have a special status at the Islamic holy sites in Jerusalem. As such, we will not allow Erdogan to interfere with this special status, as they are doing now,” reads the statement.

    “There can be no doubt that Erdogan is trying to push the Jordanians off the Temple Mount,” Cohen Yanarocak noted. “Yet ever since 2015, we have witnessed the growing presence of Turkey’s Directorate of Religious Affairs in the Temple Mount compound. They come with lots of money, and their efforts are already bearing fruit. Erdogan’s popularity among the Palestinians is skyrocketing, and the main person to suffer for that is Jordan’s King Abdullah. He cannot compete with the funds that the Turks are pouring in, while his rhetoric on behalf of the Palestinians pales in comparison to Erdogan’s stinging attacks.”

    What is the objective of all this activity? Cohen Yanarocak said, “Erdogan’s ultimate goal is Erdogan himself. He wants to become 'Sultan of all Muslims.' Unlike Iran, for example, which has no access to Jerusalem, Turkey does have access to the city. Israel allows him to operate on the ground and emblazon Jerusalem prominently on his personal banner. This positions him as the greatest Muslim leader in the world.”

    “Erdogan’s vision is the resurrection of Ottoman rule,” Inbari noted. “He wants to return to rule over all those lands that were once controlled by the Ottoman Empire. We are witnessing Turkish activity of this kind not only in the Middle East but in the Balkans and Caucasus too. This all blends well with an internal Islamic objective. As someone who regards himself as the head of the Muslim Brotherhood, Erdogan needs a holy city. Istanbul is a very important city historically, but it is not holy. Jerusalem is the ultimate site for him, while the Israeli government gives him a free hand to do what he wants in the city.”

    Tzemach said that he has been warning policymakers about the situation repeatedly for the last few years, but the Israeli government is dragging its feet. “We are flooding them incessantly with information. We are constantly warning them that Turkey is tugging at the rope in Jerusalem, and in so doing, interfering with Israeli sovereignty in the city. But I have yet to see any changes on the ground,” he said. “The recent statement by Minister Katz was good, but we are still waiting to see if any practical steps are taken.”

    “Israel can change its laws. It can do all sorts of bureaucratic maneuvering to limit the activities of foreign nongovernmental organizations,” Cohen Yanarocak added, “but tensions between Israel and Turkey prevent Israel from doing this, so as not to create another crisis. For years, Israel has told itself that as long as this activity is limited to humanitarian issues, it should be okay. As things stand now, however, Yisrael Katz realizes that Turkish activity has turned into a significant threat.”

    Inbari has an apocalyptic vision of what could result from Erdogan’s future plans for Jerusalem. “When the time comes, he plans to ignite the city. After preparing the people of East Jerusalem and, in fact, the entire Muslim world, his supporters will set up tents in the city and foment a huge crisis for Israel. This crisis will give rise to the Turkish Saladin, in the person of Recep Tayyip Erdogan. By coordinating these provocative actions, he will emerge as the 'Defender of Islam' in the 21st century."

    Jerusalem is a powder keg. Any move by Israel in the city could ignite the entire region. As it seems now, Israel is in no hurry to create another crisis with Ankara, despite all the declarations of Katz. What seems more likely is that the release of the plan now is an attempt to signal to Turkey to rein in its activities, in the hope that such a verbal threat would be enough. So far, the only people to pay a price for this are the Jordanians, whose status in Jerusalem is weaker than ever. And the damage they have incurred may be irreversible.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:43 am

    Sounds like what people were saying about Erdogan in Syria... which is rather amusing.

    Of course the Israelis can't see that perhaps the Turks don't like to see fellow human beings suffer like the arabs do in their own city of Jerusalem... and he is prepared to spend money helping them... which the leader of Jordan is clearly not even though it seems like it should be his job to do so.

    So the Juice are whining that Erdogan is relieving the suffering of the victims of Israeli military occupation and now they want him to leave... wonder how the palestinians feel about that?

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