jhelb wrote:flamming_python wrote: Where does all this hate come from?
Where is the hate ? I'm saying things the way they are. Might sound unsettling but that's the truth.
When the Brits left India they created 3 parties - Congress, Muslim League, RSS (the current BJP's parent party). Muslim League created Pakistan and left. Brits ruled India indirectly via Congress for 70 odd years and now the Anglo-Saxons are ruling India using the BJP.
The Brits are not ruling India. Nor even the Americans. It's an independent country. It's elites don't always make the right choices, but they have an agenda all of their own - not one that's subordinated to London. Hence why India for example, didn't join the sanctions regime against Russia, continues to buy weapons from it, participates in the BRICS, carries out military exercises with Russia and is an observer in the SCO.
Would any of that even be possible if the Anglo-Saxons were still ruling India? Or even if it was significantly still influenced by Britain and kept the Queen as head of state? Can you imagine Canada, Australia, New Zealand doing any of the above?
Russians would be fools to believe that India is a friendly country.
Yet they are, the proof is in the pudding
And do you mind not calling them a great power? They have spend more than a 1000 years as a colony, either of Islamic countries or the Brits. Even nothing power like Uzbekistan had conquered those Hindus. In contrast Russia has not been a colony of any country for even 10 years.
No I don't mind calling them a great power. They have the world's 2nd largest population, the 7th largest country by land area, the 3rd largest economy in the world, are a nuclear power, possess their own space program, have the 3rd most powerful military on the Asian continent (after Russia and China).
That they're a developing country with backwards practices in rural society is obvious. Still, China was a lot closer to their development level back in the 50s/60s, and now look at them. All it takes is the right leadership and system of administration, and India can progress to becoming an industrialized and then post-industrialized power within decades, and leave all the caste system, preventable diseases and so on behind.
The obnoxious religion that country practices has kept it backward for ever. Even China despite lagging India initially, has leaped far ahead and is now a superpower. South Korea, Taiwan, Japan are other Asian states that are generations ahead of India.
It's got nothing to do with religion. Idealisms always become subordinated to material reality sooner or later, because it was material reality that birthed them in the first place. That goes for any religion or ideology. As India develops, either the religion will change - there where it no longer fits modern realities, or the religion will be left behind and something else will take its place; as happened in Europe.
What has kept India backward is its lack of unity and its composition as a bunch of warring principalities and city states. This made it easy for the British, Portugese and so on to play divide and rule.
Historically, when India had been at least partially united under a powerful dynasty - for example the Mughals; it developed rapidly economically and gave the world a bunch of innovations and advancements.
By the time the Europeans had arrived, the Mughals were long gone.
Ironically, it's due to the Brits that India had managed to unite into a cohesive entity for the first time in modern history.
Makes no sense for Russia to be friends with a failed state. If these Indians can afford Russian stuff go ahead and sell it, but there is no need to define them as friends. They are not.
India is not a failed state, it's a developing country. As a state it has a working system of government and administration across all its territory, a rapidly growing economy, an army under a single command structure to defend its borders, a foreign policy decided upon by its elite that all smaller regional elites in the country follow. You can hardly say any of those things for an actual failed state.
Already, Hindus are putting a whole lot of pressure on the Kremlin not to sell advanced hi tech weapons to Pakistan and China.
I would do the same thing in their position. They are a massive customer and that gives them leverage. It's perfectly within their right to say to Russia - 'them or us', and walk away from deals if they perceive that Russia is arming their enemies. Just the same as it's Russia's right to sell weapons to whoever they want.
Russia has to be careful around Indian sensitivities. At the end of the day this is the most valuable ally we have in Asia. China's great too but we've historically had our differences, and they can always go full retard in South Korea, Vietnam, Japan, etc... with which Russia also has valuable relations and a lot of mutual investments with.
Billions of $$ worth of prospective weapon sales to Pakistan were scuttled by Hindus. Will those corrupt Hindus compensate Russia for all the losses? They also won drilling rights in Siberia despite the fact that Chinese companies were the highest bidder. Guess how.
India is Russia's largest defense industry customer so yes it is compensating Russia just fine.
As for corruption, well if your own country is corrupt than foreign corporations will of course play by corrupt rules too, less they lose out to other foreign competition or local companies, that will also be playing by corrupt rules.
It's Russia's problem to fix, not India's