2S4 Tyulpan and 2S7 Pion

My sister gave me a Toblerone chocolate bar one time she came back from overseas... she bought it in the duty free shop.

Wasn't my favourite chocolate and its shape actually made it rather hard to eat properly... never had it again since and would not really seek it out.

At that time you couldn't get it in shops here but now we get all sorts of foreign crap.... starts out super cheap... presumably to get market share and then the price goes up and they start making money... except the prices never seem to go up and the shelves are always full.

Anyway, completely off topic.

Belisarius wrote:

2 more 2S7s pions and 2S5 giatsint Ss were destroyed this week by excalibers.

Leaving aside your alleged ability to
identify an object moving at hundreds of meters per second in 144p resolution video, let's talk about the new video posted by you.

The first Giatsint does not show anything that would allow us to identify it as Russian or Ukrainian.

The first Pion has a Z on the side, so obviously this is a Russian vehicle, however the Ukrainian attack missed and failed to destroy the vehicle or even harm the crew who were able to run away.

The R-325U hidden in the trees, Ukraine misses twice, at best he takes minimal damage from shrapnel.

The second Pion appears covered with a camouflage net and among hidden trees with nothing to allow us to identify him as being Russian or Ukrainian, then the video cuts and now, from a long distance, we can see him in the open being hit, but again nothing visible that would allow us to identify him as being Russian or Ukrainian.

The second Giatsint also appears covered by a camouflage net and hidden among trees, but it is questionable if the vehicle is really the Giatsint, let alone if it belongs to Russia or Ukraine.

The Leyer first appears moving along a road and then hidden among trees, Ukraine fails to hit it twice.

The first P-18, which is also operated by Ukraine, appears only with the antenna exposed and the vehicle covered, so it is not possible to know if it belongs to Russia or Ukraine, whoever attacked it failed to score a
direct hit.

The Kasta2E2 radar also appears with only the antenna exposed, with many Soviet radars having similarly designed antennas and the vehicle covered it is difficult to say if it is really the Kasta or any other radar from the Soviet era that both sides use, anyway whoever attacked him failed to hit him directly.

The second P-18 has no visible V or Z or anything that would allow us to identify it as Russian or Ukrainian, and again whoever attacked it failed to hit it directly.

Limb you have been criticized for talking shit about Russia based on poor evidence, talking even more shit about Russia based on even more rubbish evidence is not going to make things better for you.

Russian will need to build 2 more 2S7s and giatsints, which will be lost again because theyre trash at shoot and scoot

Of the two Pions only one is proven
Russian, and it was not even destroyed, the other Pion and the 2 Giatsint do not present anything that allows us to identify who it belongs to. So far the only things that turned out to be trash here were:
-Your criticism of Russia.
-The videos posted by you.
-Your ability to counter argue.

Also multiple EW complexes were destroyed, including the Leer. Sounds like they failed at jamming this shitty ukrainian drone.

Multiple EW?! I only saw two and none of them were destroyed, in the worst case slightly damaged by shrapnel.
And considering that even CNN is talking about thousands of Ukrainian drones being disabled by the Russian EW every month, one wonders how many flights this shitty Ukrainian drone made before being put out of action.

But you'll have people saying it's fine jamming has made Excalibur and GMLRS useless, lol.

Making them useless is certainly not going to happen, after all there is no system
100% effective, but Russian EW has been good enough to make you pro-Ukrainians stick to shitty evidence, to show that western Wunderwaffen can do something on the battlefield...

Ok, so shrapnel is western propaganda now? Also hilarious that you claim that fragile EW complexes are resistant to shrapnel.

Is this a ukrainian SAM getting "just a scratch"?\


Its hilarious how you keep claiming that "theres no way to know if its russian".

Did this totally not russian convoy also suffer "no damage" due to "clear misses"?
https://t.me/mysiagin/25047?single

Ok then, prove to me that the vehicles in this video are:
-leopards
-actually ukrainian
-destroyed

https://t.me/ZSU_Hunter_2_0/1104


Why do you believe lancets are actually destroying artillery even when they miss and theres 0 4k photos of the aftermath?

Russian forces have lost perhaps 20,000 soldiers during this conflict, it is pretty obvious that Russian units have suffered loses...

But you think we should believe every piece of crap propaganda Kiev broadcasts then you are dumber than you look.

If your criticism of us is that we don't believe the lies propagated by the west and Kiev then we are guilty, but perhaps your instant belief that everything they say is true identifies you as a 5th columnist trying to create panic and fear and ultimately try to help the nazis win, which kinda explains the hostile reception you get from some members here... and also the support you receive from other members too.

The sad thing is that your support team are probably not on the CIAs payroll and are doing this all for free...

But you keep on posting Orc propaganda and take joy in the deaths of Russians actually fighting nazism in 21st Century Europe... I am sure your Soviet ancestors will want to have a word when they see you next...

Read "The Boy who cried Wolf" to understand about trust and lies perhaps... the west and Kiev don't care about the truth... they are losing on the battlefield but think that does not matter as long as they win public opinion and you are supporting them it seems... naughty Russia fanboys... how dare you not immediately believe what you watch on Telegram and Wiki and Face Book... why are you not brainwashed sheep like the rest of us...

Ok, so shrapnel is western propaganda now? Also hilarious that you claim that fragile EW complexes are resistant to shrapnel.

Hilarious is you claiming that I claimed that a fragile Russian EW is shrapnel resistant, when in fact I stated "damaged by shrapnel", did you know that damaged vehicles cannot be considered as destroyed as they can be repaired?

Is this a ukrainian SAM getting "just a scratch"?

The footage is taken at a long distance and in low resolution, it is not possible to know what is being attacked so little if it is a SAM or if it belongs to Russia or Ukraine. Whatever was attacked certainly didn't suffer just a scratch, because here, contrary to some of the previous videos where the shot misses by dozens of meters, the direct impact and detonation of the target is visible.

Its hilarious how you keep claiming that "theres no way to know if its russian".

I did not claim that "theres no way to know if its russian" I showed the FACT that "theres no way to know if its russian OR UKRANIAN", because some of the vehicles are operated not only by Russia but also by Ukraine, and due to the long distance and low resolution, you cannot see any V/Z that identifies them as Russian, or cross/swastika that identifies them as Ukrainian. Note that at no time did I claim that these footage are also conclusive evidence of Ukrainian losses.
And it's hilarious your inability to show even ONE SINGLE DETAIL in these videos that proves that they are in fact showing what the authors of these Twitter posts say.
There are Russian losses, Ukrainian losses, and unknown losses, all the BS you've been posting here certainly belongs in the "unknown losses" category.

Did this totally not russian convoy also suffer "no damage" due to "clear misses"?

Writing "clear misses" between quotes or showing a video of a target that was actually directly hit, will not change reality where you posted a video of 9 targets being destroyed when even a one-eyed person with severe myopia would see that 6 of the 9 were missed by tens of meters...
And it's hilarious how you say "no damage" when I actually said "damage from shrapnel".

Oh! And before I forget, can you answer me why the vehicles of this Russian convoy don't have any Z or V painted on the side of the vehicles, or why these dead Russians don't have any patches of the Russian armed forces?

Ok then, prove to me that the vehicles in this video are:
-leopards
-actually ukrainian
-destroyed

This footage is rubbish, there is nothing that would allow us to identify which vehicle it is or who it belongs to, and I would be a hypocrite and inconsistent to assert anything else, after spending a week demolishing you poor comments based similar garbage videos.

Why do you believe lancets are actually destroying artillery even when they miss and theres 0 4k photos of the aftermath?

I never believed any video of the Lancet destroying any equipment he had missed, and there is no need for 4k photos, because every Lancet attack is filmed by another drone with image quality good enough to identify the lancet itself during the attack, sometimes the footage continues and shows whether or not the enemy equipment was destroyed , sometimes they don't.

And when I complain about low resolution, I'm not asking for 4k, I'm just asking for something better than 144p over long distance.

Here is a video released by the Russians of a HIMARS being "destroyed":
https://m.vk.com/video-31371206_456261999
Note that just like the video of the Russian SAM being "destroyed", posted by you, it is not possible to identify which vehicle is actually being hit, much less who it belongs to.

See? I am being consistent, I do not believe in questionable evidence posted by Ukraine, and I also do not believe in questionable evidence presented by Russia.

And now you have a problem Limb, if you want to continue to believe in rubbish evidence of the destruction of Russian equipment, then you are obligated to accept rubbish evidence presented by Russia and stop claiming that HIMARS was never destroyed, or you do not accept the loss of HIMARS, because of questionable footage, and stop posting questionable footage of the loss of Russian equipment, otherwise you are being incoherent and a hypocrite.
Because no one can use and discard an argument as benefits his bias.