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    Kurganets & Boomerang Discussions Thread #1

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Thu Mar 26, 2015 12:42 pm

    ult wrote:Kurganets-25 next to BMD-4M.

    Kurganets & Boomerang Discussions Thread #1 - Page 26 IQdej51

    My God what's going on here? Are those large objects attached to the side applique armor, or some other attachment? Because if they are then they're super thick! We will only definitively know by May 9th.
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    Post  ult Thu Mar 26, 2015 1:13 pm

    And another one:

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    Post  mack8 Thu Mar 26, 2015 1:14 pm

    Edit: Ult beat me to it.



    Personal theory: perhaps Armata will (hopefully!) also have such thick side armour over the tracks, but the blocks have been taken off to facilitate rail transport (probably making it too wide to fit on standard railway cars).
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    Post  flamming_python Thu Mar 26, 2015 1:17 pm

    mack8 wrote:Edit: Ult beat me to it.



    Personal theory: perhaps Armata will (hopefully!) also have such thick side armour over the tracks, but the blocks have been taken off to facilitate rail transport (probably making it too wide to fit on standard railway cars).

    Should make the Armata comfortably transportable by the Il-476; assuming the weight can be handled.
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    Post  Werewolf Thu Mar 26, 2015 1:29 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    ult wrote:Kurganets-25 next to BMD-4M.

    Kurganets & Boomerang Discussions Thread #1 - Page 26 IQdej51

    My God what's going on here? Are those large objects attached to the side applique armor, or some other attachment? Because if they are then they're super thick! We will only definitively know by May 9th.

    It is both, further development of the BMP2/3 Applique Armor with ERA. Some layers of additional armor plates along with Heavy ERA protecting the sides against almost everything such IFV's are suppossed to fight, well except high calibre KE unless it is Relikt, which i doubt at least for now.
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    Post  George1 Thu Mar 26, 2015 1:44 pm

    Kurganets behind

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Thu Mar 26, 2015 1:48 pm

    George1 wrote:Kurganets behind

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    You can clearly see the covers for propellers near the bottom of the step-ramp.
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    Post  ult Thu Mar 26, 2015 1:49 pm

    A little bit bigger picture.

    Kurganets & Boomerang Discussions Thread #1 - Page 26 SfWNxZG

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    Post  runaway Thu Mar 26, 2015 2:38 pm

    ult wrote:Kurganets-25 next to BMD-4M.

    Kurganets & Boomerang Discussions Thread #1 - Page 26 IQdej51

    One things seems clear, its huge! No more low and as small as possible IFV´s here. Looks great, and with the massive passive side armour a good protection. I think we will see no more soldiers riding outside on this machine.

    Cant wait to se the inside...

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    Post  akd Thu Mar 26, 2015 3:16 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    George1 wrote:Kurganets behind

    http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=231258&d=1427373709

    You can clearly see the covers for propellers near the bottom of the step-ramp.

    pump jets
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    Post  TR1 Thu Mar 26, 2015 7:19 pm

    Holy sheeeeeit.

    1.) Damn its ugly.

    2.) Russian army not only taking side skirts seriously, but going overboard. Very cool.
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    Post  cracker Fri Mar 27, 2015 12:09 am

    agree, very ugly. The elegant race of the BMP and BMP-3 will extinct now... Sad Probably the coolest military vehicles ever devised.
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    Post  Cyberspec Fri Mar 27, 2015 12:31 am

    TR1 wrote:Holy sheeeeeit.

    1.) Damn its ugly.

    2.) Russian army not only taking side skirts seriously, but going overboard. Very cool.

    It's still missing the front section of the sideskirts, it should look like image below....but yeah, the sideskirts look massive

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Fri Mar 27, 2015 4:42 am

    Here's some brief (and I mean brief) video footage of Kurganets-25...like the first 3 seconds:

    Kurganets-25
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    Post  TR1 Fri Mar 27, 2015 5:18 am

    George1 wrote:Kurganets behind

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    Looks like door within a ramp.
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    Post  Zivo Fri Mar 27, 2015 5:47 am

    TR1 wrote:
    George1 wrote:Kurganets behind

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    Looks like door within a ramp.

    Wouldn't you want something like that in case the hydraulics go out?
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    Post  TR1 Fri Mar 27, 2015 6:59 am

    Oh no doubt. Makes perfect sense, which is why I am surprised the Generals wanted it Very Happy.


    Overall I am pretty shocked to the extent the Russia Army is going with significantly heavier vehicles. Kurganets itself is beefy, and the Armata is something else.
    Everyone is increasing their IFVs in weight generally speaking, but I figured GenStab would be conservative.
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    Post  Werewolf Fri Mar 27, 2015 7:13 am

    TR1 wrote:Oh no doubt. Makes perfect sense, which is why I am surprised the Generals wanted it Very Happy.


    Overall I am pretty shocked to the extent the Russia Army is going with significantly heavier vehicles. Kurganets itself is beefy, and the Armata is something else.
    Everyone is increasing their IFVs in weight generally speaking, but I figured GenStab would be conservative.

    Unlike all western IFV's this is amphibious so they have higher mobility value and do not undermine the doctrine of motorized and mechanized forces.
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    Post  flamming_python Fri Mar 27, 2015 9:47 am

    TR1 wrote:Oh no doubt. Makes perfect sense, which is why I am surprised the Generals wanted it Very Happy.


    Overall I am pretty shocked to the extent the Russia Army is going with significantly heavier vehicles. Kurganets itself is beefy, and the Armata is something else.
    Everyone is increasing their IFVs in weight generally speaking, but I figured GenStab would be conservative.

    Yet there is nothing to say that Russia will be procuring Armata and Kurganets-based brigades in large numbers; as compared to Bumerang and Typhoon-based brigades.

    So while the vehicles might become heavier, the overall tonnage footprint might not change too much.
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    Post  collegeboy16 Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:16 am

    TR1 wrote:Holy sheeeeeit.

    1.) Damn its ugly.

    2.) Russian army not only taking side skirts seriously, but going overboard. Very cool.
    those side skirts could also serve dual purpose of adding more flotation to the vehicle in the water.
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    Post  Zivo Fri Mar 27, 2015 8:56 pm

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    Poor quality image, but the front of Kurganets-25 nonetheless. It shows the front-most armor module. I'm guessing the cube shaped piece covered by tarp is part of the APS.
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    Post  TR1 Sat Mar 28, 2015 8:43 am

    That trim vane in front is supposedly titanium.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Mar 29, 2015 10:06 am

    Yet there is nothing to say that Russia will be procuring Armata and Kurganets-based brigades in large numbers; as compared to Bumerang and Typhoon-based brigades.

    So while the vehicles might become heavier, the overall tonnage footprint might not change too much.

    Actually I suspect the weight of armoured forces will dramatically increase...

    I rather suspect the vast majority of the new forces will be wheeled Boomerangs and Typhoons as they are cheaper but with sophisticated weapons and sensors and all that net centric communications stuff.

    In the 1980s the BMP-2 was popular because of its protection, but the mobility of the BTRs was appreciated too.

    Boomerang is a BMP-2 level armour and fire power vehicle with the mobility of wheels.

    If you look at all the vehicles in an armoured unit you have maybe 30 tanks and perhaps 60 MBTs/IFVs and most of the rest are light BRDM/BTR/MTLB based vehicles.... even in a boomerang unit all of a sudden the MBTs are 15 tons lighter, but the IFVs are 7 tons heavier, the BTRs are 11 tons heavier (14 tons for a BTR... 25 tons for a Boomerang), and all the very light scout car type vehicles are as well armoured as the other vehicles... in the armata units all the vehicles are heavily armoured... the choice between a BTR-80 and a BMP-2 was effected by the fact that the BTR has basically the Russian equivalent of a 20mm cannon as a main armament, and relatively light armour, while the BMP-2 is better armoured and better armed.

    With Kurganets and Boomerang the armament and sensors will be the same... the armour will be heavier than either BMP-2 or BTR-80, the main difference will be mobility... wheeled vs tracked.

    those side skirts could also serve dual purpose of adding more flotation to the vehicle in the water.

    Most likely and even if they don't the gap between the side skirts and the hull will act as spaced armour rendering HESH ineffective. Most likely it will contain ceramic armours and likely NERA, or non explosive reactive armour that changes shape to resist penetration but does not contain explosives.

    That trim vane in front is supposedly titanium.

    I remember them saying they were using expensive exotic materials...

    Poor quality image, but the front of Kurganets-25 nonetheless. It shows the front-most armor module. I'm guessing the cube shaped piece covered by tarp is part of the APS.

    Yes or possibly sensors/cameras...
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    Post  George1 Wed Apr 01, 2015 12:17 am

    "Boomerang" is the victim of sanctions

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Apr 01, 2015 12:29 am

    Bumerang will be at the parade, it's already been confirmed.

    But that the Bumerang program seems to be a little behind the others has already been hinted at. Not to worry though.

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