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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sun Jan 06, 2019 7:32 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    This is the one:

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    Most of the time 'new replacement pistols' are something like a running joke/meme both in the U.S. and Russia, but a 9x21mm pistol actually has a lot more promise than a 9x18/19mm pistol, which would simply be a waste of time.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Jan 06, 2019 2:02 pm

    ad what sense would it make to introduce full auto mode beside weapon complication?

    Well the Stechkin is still very popular and needs replacement, there have been a lot of full auto pistols developed with the intent to replace it but so far none have been picked for the role...

    Certainly a full auto pistol is unusual, but it is a simple way of making a pistol effective in combat... (by making it a very small SMG).

    At very short ranges (ie inside the same room) is where a pistol is better than a rifle, but a SMG is better still... a full auto pistol is an attempt to make a pistol a useful weapon of war.

    Of course with the SR-1MP for special forces and SR-2M for those who want full auto I guess it would not be totally critical to have a machine pistol... back in the time when the Stechkin was popular there really was no practical Soviet/Russian SMG alternative... now there is one in the 9x21mm calibre, but I guess most of the others could be adapted if they are going to drop the 9x18 and 9x19mm calibres.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sun Jan 06, 2019 4:05 pm

    GarryB wrote: At very short ranges (ie inside the same room) is where a pistol is better than a rifle, but a SMG is better still... a full auto pistol is an attempt to make a pistol a useful weapon of war.

    Of course with the SR-1MP for special forces and SR-2M for those who want full auto I guess it would not be totally critical to have a machine pistol... back in the time when the Stechkin was popular there really was no practical Soviet/Russian SMG alternative... now there is one in the 9x21mm calibre, but I guess most of the others could be adapted if they are going to drop the 9x18 and 9x19mm calibres.


    As you notices if anybody needs PM he can take SR-2, Stechnkin was only one long tiem ago, why was not repeated? BTW MP with 18 ammo clip? is it worth to complicate construction tohave hat advantage?


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    Post  Regular Sun Jan 06, 2019 4:40 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    ad what sense would it make to introduce full auto mode beside weapon complication?

    Well the Stechkin is still very popular and needs replacement, there have been a lot of full auto pistols developed with the intent to replace it but so far none have been picked for the role...

    Certainly a full auto pistol is unusual, but it is a simple way of making a pistol effective in combat... (by making it a very small SMG).

    At very short ranges (ie inside the same room) is where a pistol is better than a rifle, but a SMG is better still... a full auto pistol is an attempt to make a pistol a useful weapon of war.

    Of course with the SR-1MP for special forces and SR-2M for those who want full auto I guess it would not be totally critical to have a machine pistol... back in the time when the Stechkin was popular there really was no practical Soviet/Russian SMG alternative... now there is one in the 9x21mm calibre, but I guess most of the others could be adapted if they are going to drop the 9x18 and 9x19mm calibres.


    Afaik, APS are already disappearing from the shelves in armouries. There's literally no need for it anymore as there are plenty of well designed SMGs. AK has new SMGs chambered in 3 rounds and there are maybe 5 designs already being used by Russian SF. From various SR-2/3/Veresk versions, AEK in police service.
    I've shot with APS with a buttstock and it's not as compact with it. SMGs are way to go
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    Post  GarryB Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:42 am

    As you notices if anybody needs PM he can take SR-2, Stechnkin was only one long tiem ago, why was not repeated? BTW MP with 18 ammo clip? is it worth to complicate construction tohave hat advantage?

    Well actually the Stechkin is a very simple weapon compared with modern more powerful pistols... it was a simple blowback weapon with a low powered 9x18mm round with a rate of fire reducer to keep it controllable on full auto.

    If you look at the Gsh-18 you can see how incredibly complicated it is... there are dozens of little parts... in comparison the PM makarov has a slide a spring and the body and the magazine...

    I've shot with APS with a buttstock and it's not as compact with it. SMGs are way to go

    The Russians have a variety of nice looking SMGs including the Klin/Kedr, the Kashtan, and my favourite looking... the Vityaz-SN. They had an older design that had removable chambers to allow any calibre pistol round to be used from 9mm short up to a special 9x30mm round that looked like an M1 carbine round but fatter, but it seems to have died.

    The interest in machine pistols was such that there was even a Strike One version with full auto and 30 round mags as an option from memory.

    Full auto in controlled bursts is a good way to make a pistol effective... but most of the time they would be used in single shot... much like an assault rifle.
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    Post  George1 Sat Feb 16, 2019 3:34 am

    Visiting JSC TsNIITOCHMASH


    Our blog managed to visit the team of the Central Research Institute of Precision Engineering (JSC TsNIITOCHMASH) in Klimovsk (Moscow region) and get an idea of ​​the modern developments of the enterprise, as well as the history of domestic and foreign weapons. With some of them we introduce our readers.

    The undoubted "pearl" of the demonstration in TsNIITOCHMASH JSC was the new Udav pistol complex. under the Russian cartridge of 9 x 21 mm caliber.
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    As you can see, the safety lever is located on both sides, and the design of the gun meets modern standards (the same CZ P-09 or Sig P226) (c) bmpd

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    Characteristics of Udav


    "Udav" option with a silencer
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    CP1M pistol

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    PSS silent pistol
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    Yarygin PYa pistol
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    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3533697.html

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    Post  George1 Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:38 pm

    Handgun Udav developed not as substitute for Makarov — designer


    The Udav has passed government certification tests and been recommended for standard use

    MOSCOW, February 28. /TASS/. Russia’s newest handgun Udav was developed not as a substitute for the Makarov pistol (PM). They have different functions, the CEO of the company that designed the weapon, TsNIITochMash, Albert Bakov told the daily Izvestia in an interview.

    "Udav and PM are different. They are meant for coping with different tasks. PM is a peacetime weapon for police patrolling the streets. Udav is a powerful combat gun with far greater fire power," Bakov said.

    Only the contractor, the Defense Ministry, is in the position to make a decision to replace all Makarov guns with Udavs in the Russian Armed Forces. In his opinion the Udav fully matches the military’s expectations.

    "We met all terms of reference," Bakov said.


    More:
    http://tass.com/defense/1046827
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Feb 28, 2019 10:51 pm


    I'd just like to point out that more precise translation of name 'Udav' would be 'Constrictor'

    It gets translated as 'Boa' but that word refers to whole family non-venomous snakes and is same in both Russian and English



    Speaking of translation we also have 'Buravestnik' missile which should be translated as 'Storm Harbinger'  which is what birds name means in quite a few Slavic languages (definitely should not be translated as 'Petrel')
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Fri Mar 01, 2019 2:04 am

    George1 wrote:

    Handgun Udav developed not as substitute for Makarov — designer

    More:
    http://tass.com/defense/1046827

    yet, still PM is gonna be replaced by Modernized Yargin's pistol


    https://kalashnikov.media/article/weapons/izhevskiy-mekhanicheskiy-zavod-vypolnil-samyy-bolshoy-zakaz-po-proizvodstvu-pistoletov
    https://www.kalashnikov.ru/konets-epohi-pistolet-yarygina-pya/



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    Post  GarryB Fri Mar 01, 2019 6:51 am

    I have read on a few websites about how this pistol will not be widely deployed because of its 9x21mm ammo is not widely made or available and is more expensive than more widely available 9x19mm and 9x18mm ammo, but I suspect if there are more weapons chambered in 9x21mm ammo that this will change and their ammo companies will start mass producing the new ammo which should reduce the price.

    Would like to see a new range of existing weapons able to fire the same round... PP2000, Vityaz, Klin/Kedr, and Kashtan in 9x21mm.

    Of course one of the criticisms of the Makarov was serious muzzle flip during rapid firing... but this gun likely would be no worse yet have a lot more power on target so would be worth the extra flip perhaps?

    Perhaps a muzzle braked short barrel pistol version to make it tamer to fire for those that don't need the full power of armour penetration etc but can still use the same calibre... and I am sure double the amount of ready to fire ammo would be appreciated anyway...

    There is the PYa Yargin, but then there is also the PL-15K etc... personally I would prefer to see the 9x19mm calibre eliminated from the inventory and just use one Pistol and SMG calibre...
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Fri Mar 01, 2019 9:24 am

    GarryB wrote:
    There is the
    PYa Yargin, but then there is also the PL-15K etc... personally I would prefer to see the 9x19mm calibre eliminated from the inventory and just use one Pistol and SMG calibre...

    if I read correctly this is MIA/ Police pistol . It was modernized to bring reliability up.
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    Post  PhSt Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:12 pm

    Udav handgun passes verification, gets recommended for serial production


    MOSCOW, April 11. /TASS/. An interdepartmental commission has completed its verification of the design specifications for the Udav handgun (a product of TsNIITochMash) and recommended it for serial production, the Rostec corporation said in a news release on Thursday.

    "The self-loading 9-mm handgun has been recommended for serial production under the index O1, which permits it for official use," the news release says.

    The commission examined the terms of reference, the results of preliminary and government certification tests and checked if the flaws detected in the process of testing have been eliminated. Next, a decision should follow on whether to authorize it for service or for experimental use in the field first.

    "The Udav meets all modern requirements established for firearms. Composite materials have made it possible to considerably diminish the handgun’s mass and improve its operating parameters," the press service quotes Rostec’s industrial director Sergey Abramov as saying.

    The firearm remains operational within a range of air temperatures from 50 degrees below zero to plus 70 degrees and is equally good for all arms and services.
    "Its features are competitive with those of such renowned brands as Colt, Walther, Heckler&Koch, Glock, Browning, CZ and others," Abramov added.

    Udav Pistol
    According to earlier reports, the Udav fires a powerful 9x21 mm cartridge. It has passed government certification tests and been recommended for standard use.

    TsNIITochMash plans to deliver standard military, special and civilian configurations of the weapon.
    The self-loading Udav handgun is an entirely Russian-designed and manufactured weapon with a sighting range of 50 meters and an 18-round magazine. Brand-new special ammunition has been designed for it. In addition, the manufacturer plans to produce a standard army, special and civilian version of the weapon.


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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Apr 12, 2019 1:59 am


    Oh and one tiny detail about the name Udav: while some have been translating it as "Boa" (f*ck you Sputnik News) more correct translation would be "Constrictor"

    And while we are at it correct translation of Buravestnik is "Storm Harbinger" which is what bird's name means in most Slavic languages
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    Post  GarryB Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:26 am

    I wonder if they are also going to adopt 9x21mm calibre SMGs along with this pistol... it would certainly make sense to do so... the more powerful ammo would be easily controllable in a SMG and the longer barrel should improve anti armour and anti personnel performance too...

    I would also mention that Boa on its own is not right... feather boas are different from snakes called boa constrictors.

    The SR-1M was called Viper I believe, so replacements or alternatives have snake name themes too.

    Kinda odd if you think about it because the Nagant revolver, the TT-33, the PM and PSM and of course the stechkin are generally best known for their makers names or their codes... ie Nagant, Tokarev, Makarov, PSM, and Stechkin...

    There were an enormous number of pistols listed in the Russias Arms catalogue of 2002, most of which have largely failed to reach a wide number of customers.

    There were a lot that had full auto capability but none really offered better performance than the Stechkin so the Stechkin remained...

    The SR-1 and SR-2 probably show a better path for replacement however for the sort of forces that normally had the Stechkin issued to them.
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    Post  The-thing-next-door Fri Apr 12, 2019 2:22 pm

    Why would they, SMGs are inferior in every way to carbines. The correct route would be to create a replacement for the AKS74U and be done with it. The Makarov is one of the greatest pistols as like all of them it is a useless novelty item however it is by far easier to carry than its competitors, I say keep it!
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    Post  miketheterrible Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:14 pm

    They are creating a replacement for AK-74U. It's the AMB carbine that was shown last year. But it will take a decade for testing like everything else in Russian military......
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    Post  GarryB Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:31 am

    Well I disagree... a SMG is only as powerful as its ammo, and 9x21mm ammo has good armour penetration and lethality because of the bullet design.

    Carbines normally use assault rifle rounds, which makes them over powered and dangerous over much greater ranges than a pistol calibre weapon.

    You might not be able to hit much at more than 150m with an AKS-74U, but those bullets will be potentially lethal well beyond 500m if they hit anyone.

    In comparison pistol bullets are moving much slower and slow down rather rapidly too and would not be as dangerous to anything like the range an assault rifle round would.

    The Makarov is a small compact pistol that makes the same 9mm hole in you that more powerful western 9mms do.

    This new pistol looks like it should be able to do the job rather better however, so I think it is probably a good idea to upgrade to it, especially in 9x21mm round which is rather more effective.

    Testing the M16 for a bit longer using standard ammo propellent probably would have saved a few thousand American lives and also saved the reputation of the weapon for many people who had to use it.
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    Post  George1 Thu Jun 13, 2019 4:16 am

    The first batch of "Udav" pistols delivered for pilot-military operation

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    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3673189.html

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    Post  Kiko Thu Jul 15, 2021 1:15 am

    "Better, lighter and more convenient": how the Kalashnikov concern develops the Lebedev pistol line, Alexey Latyshev, Elizaveta Komarova. 14.07.2021.

    Concern "Kalashnikov" intends to create an ultra-compact modification of the Lebedev pistol (PL). This was announced by the Deputy General Director - Chief Designer of the enterprise Sergey Urzhumtsev. According to him, the new model will be used for concealed carry. At the moment, the line of Lebedev pistols is represented by the basic versions of the MPL and MPL1, the sports SP1 and the compact PLC. Meanwhile, MPL and MPL1 are already being supplied to the Russian Guard. According to analysts, the ultra-compact version may interest special services. According to experts, submarine pistols are produced using the latest technologies and modern materials, which makes this weapon lighter and more effective than the models currently in service with Russian law enforcement agencies.

    The Kalashnikov group of companies (part of Rostec) intends to create an ultra-compact modification of the Lebedev pistol. This was announced by Sergey Urzhumtsev, Deputy General Director - Chief Designer of JSC Concern Kalashnikov.

    “As for the ultra-compact modification, yes, there will be such a model in the submarine line. It is impossible to say about specific terms now, since it will be determined by the needs of the structures that will order it. In any case, it will appear a little later than the existing versions - MPL, MPL1 and PLC pistols will enter the market, ”Urzhumtsev said in an interview with TASS.

    According to him, similar models exist in the lines of foreign manufacturers, for example, the Austrian company Glock.

    “Super- or sub-compact is a concealed carry pistol. I would not disclose potential customers now, I will refer only to world experience. Almost all world pistol brands, for example in the Glock line, have such a pistol version. The sales volumes are not very large in relation to basic products, but such a version is necessary to satisfy the entire spectrum of the potential market, ”said the chief designer of the concern.

    In addition, Urzhumtsev said that on the basis of the technologies that were used in the development of Lebedev pistols, it is planned to create a subcompact submachine gun. Kalashnikov is now working out the requirements for the project "with potential customers who are interested in this class of small arms."

    "The line will expand"

    Work on the creation of the Lebedev pistol within the framework of the Lynx ROC began in 2014. According to Urzhumtsev, the initial order for the creation of such weapons came from the Russian Guard.

    “All processes are regulated by state standards, which determine the order, types and scope of work at each stage in order to ensure the quality and compliance of the created product with the customer's requirements. In the case of MPL and MPL1, the customer was the Russian Guard, from which we received the basic requirements for the pistol and the tactical and technical characteristics, ”explained Urzhumtsev.

    At the same time, as Dmitry Tarasov, general director of the Kalashnikov Group of Companies, previously reported, it is planned to equip not only Rosgvardia units with various versions of Lebedev's pistol, but also employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Ministry of Defense.

    The first prototype of the pistol under the designation PL-14 "Kalashnikov" was presented in 2015 at the International military-technical forum "Army-2015".

    As the creator of the pistol, the leading design engineer of the Kalashnikov Dmitry Lebedev, noted, "the key difference between the PL-14 from other modern analogues was its ergonomics and balance, which most fully correspond to the current ideas about human biomechanics and the production of an accurate shot."

    Then the company carried out work to eliminate the shortcomings of the experimental model. The result of these efforts was the appearance of MPL and MPL1 pistols, which differ from each other in dimensions - the MPL length is 205 mm, and the MPL1 is 220 mm. In addition, the MPL is slightly lighter than the MPL1: their mass with a magazine without cartridges reaches 800 and 815 g, respectively. Both pistols use the same caliber 9 (9x19) and come with 16 rounds magazines.

    These models have successfully passed state tests and were adopted by the Russian Guard in May 2021.

    In addition, there is a sports version in the PL line. The pistol, designated SP1, is intended for practical shooting in production and production optics classes.

    Kalashnikov also created a compact modification of the Lebedev pistol - the PLC. It was first demonstrated to the public at the Army-2017 forum.

    The length of the compact version is 180 mm, weight - 710 g. The ammunition capacity of the weapon is reduced by two rounds compared to the older model.

    The dimensions of the ultra-compact version of the pistol are still unknown, but experts believe that it will be smaller and lighter than the PLC.

    The line of Lebedev pistols will continue to expand, Urzhumtsev said.

    “Currently, the submarine is represented by three samples. Indeed, the line will expand, primarily through the creation of civilian versions of this pistol and, in the future, an ultra-compact version, "he said in an interview with TASS.

    "A lot of technological know-how"

    According to Sergei Urzhumtsev, the developers used the latest technologies to create submarine pistols. Thus, the MPL and MPL1 barrels are heat-treated according to a special technical process.

    In addition, engineering solutions have improved the strength and reliability of the pistol.

    “The peculiarity of the pistols is that the bolts are made of steel, and the frame with guides is made of aluminum. A formally harder steel could quickly wear out aluminum. Our technological solution eliminates this problem and ensures the abrasion resistance of the frame guides. In general, MPL has a lot of technological know-how, implemented at the level of basic critical technologies, ”explained Urzhumtsev.

    The company is also developing a line of additional equipment that can be used in conjunction with pistols of the PL series.

    “The pistol, as I said earlier, includes a fairly rich package, which allows you to expand its tactical capabilities. If we talk about the creation of further elements of the modules, then yes, now we are working on this issue. First of all, due to the expansion of the range of used sighting devices. For example, now we are considering the issue of choosing a special small-sized collimator sight, ”said Urzhumtsev.

    This equipment can be mounted, among other things, due to the presence of a Picatinny rail on the PL pistols - a bracket with a rail mount for easy installation of sights and other equipment.

    A distinctive feature of the pistol is its modular design, as a result "from one model you can create a whole line of samples for different tasks."

    “This is ensured by a complete set: interchangeable barrels, a low-noise firing device, handles of different sizes, sighting devices, the presence of mounting bases for attaching additional equipment and many other elements,” said the chief designer of the concern.

    In addition, according to him, Lebedev's pistol also differs from foreign counterparts in improved ergonomics.

    “The submarine is distinguished by exceptional ergonomics — not only in relation to Glock, but also to other best world analogues. On the other hand, all submarine modifications are omnivorous with respect to the ammunition used. We are talking about both conventional 9x19 Luger class ammunition and armor-piercing 7N21 class. Despite the fact that the submarine is in the same line with its counterparts in terms of weight and dimensions, I would like to once again emphasize the ergonomics of this pistol and, as a result, better controllability, greater combat and practical rate of fire, "said Urzhumtsev.

    Such indicators are achieved due to the "optimal position of the center of mass", thanks to which the pistol fits comfortably in the hand, which allows minimizing toss when shooting. This also ensures a high combat rate of fire.

    Opportunities - to save, dimensions - to reduce

    Experts believe that the ultra-compact version of the submarine may be of interest to the special services.

    "Such a pistol can be useful for special services for concealed carrying during the use of civilian clothing. That is, it will be worn in an operational holster under the arm or in a belt holster under a jacket, "Alexander Butyrin, columnist for the Fire Frontier magazine, told RT.

    Dmitry Kornev, the founder of the Military Russia portal, believes that the strength of such weapons will be the "preservation of combat capabilities" of older models with a significant reduction in size.

    According to analysts, it is quite difficult to compare submarine pistols, for example, with Glock products, since the Austrian company has been producing such weapons for many years and has proven itself well, and Lebedev's pistols are just beginning to come to customers.

    At the same time, experts believe that the later appearance of the submarine line on the market becomes its competitive advantage, since Kalashnikov's specialists had the opportunity to study foreign experience and avoid mistakes made by other manufacturers in advance.

    “We go later, so we can take into account all the mistakes and shortcomings of competitors. Therefore, the PL may turn out to be even better than its competitors in the market, ”Dmitry Kornev believes.

    He also noted that Lebedev's pistols are fundamentally different from Soviet models, which are still the most common in Russian law enforcement agencies.

    “Lebedev's pistols are an attempt to create a new generation of domestic pistols using modern materials. This is a lightweight pistol with an increased magazine capacity and capabilities that are better than previous generations of pistols. It is more technologically advanced, better, lighter and more convenient, ”said Kornev.

    In general, analysts assess positively the results achieved by the Kalashnikov concern in the development of a line of modern pistols. According to Dmitry Kornev, the project of Lebedev's pistol "definitely took place."

    In turn, Alexander Butyrin noted that a more detailed assessment of the brainchild of "Kalashnikov" can be given after the submarine begins to enter the armament of the National Guard and other departments.

    “This line of weapons is very impressive - these are both military versions and sports versions, very worthy models. But a more detailed assessment can be given only after its massive use in the relevant structures has been established. Because testing is one thing, but how he behaves in practice is another question, ”the analyst concluded.

    https://russian.rt.com/russia/article/884943-rossiya-armiya-pistolet-lebedeva-modifikaciya





















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    Post  Kiko Mon Aug 23, 2021 6:26 pm

    The Lebedev pistol will replace the Makarov pistol, 23/08/2021.

    PARK PATRIOT, 23 Aug - RIA Novosti. The Kalashnikov group of companies and the Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs are preparing a contract for the Lebedev compact pistol (PLC) to replace the Makarov pistol, the Kalashnikov press service told RIA Novosti on Monday.

    "Now the customer of the Lebedev pistol is the Ministry of Internal Affairs, it is there that the PLC should replace the Makarov pistol. At present, the pilot operation of the PLC in the Ministry of Internal Affairs is nearing completion, Kalashnikov and the Ministry of Internal Affairs are preparing to conclude a contract," the company said.

    The pace of rearmament of employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs from PM to PLC "will be determined by the customer." In total, there are now about 100 thousand Makarovs in the power structures of Russia.

    The agency does not yet have comments from the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia.

    In addition, according to Kalashnikov, the Russian Defense Ministry also showed interest in the PLC, "but it is too early to talk about specifics."

    The group of companies is ready to participate in the disposal of old PM, if government customers are interested in this. This issue has not yet been discussed.

    https://ria.ru/20210823/orkuzhie-1746811887.html

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    Post  GarryB Tue Aug 24, 2021 8:55 am

    So to be clear AFAIK the standard pistol across the Russian military has been the Makarov, but for weapon operators and snipers and pilots etc when a better weapon is needed they tend to carry the Stechkin machine pistol.

    Special forces use the SP-1 Viper and a few forces have been adopting the PYa and other pistols, but this announcement means all standard pistols in the Russian Internal Affairs (so police or government or other FSB type users) will now be this pistol?

    With the Boa Constrictor going for replacing the Makarov in the Russian military, with the full auto version replacing the Stechkin?

    I am looking forward to the Army making a final decision in this situation, but who knows... it took them long enough to replace the Nagant revolver...
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    Post  par far Sun Sep 05, 2021 2:37 pm

    I was watching a video about US Military Handguns and it hot me thinking Russian Military Handguns.

    I was able to find this video and they talk about the Russian Military getting a new Hand gun, this one .

    Did the old one already get replaced? What is the current Handgun for the Russian military?

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