"Oryol" next-generation manned spacecraft

Big_Gazza wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:Federation will soon be joining long line of paper fanart projects like Baikal, Rus-M and Clipper

Oh just STFU with this pathetic crusade.  What the heck is your problem?  Rapidly losing respect for you as a poster in this forum, you're degenerating into a bipolar Eehnie clone.  

Nibiru wrote:A very sad development for the Russian space industry. Perhaps its preparation for Russia's eventual surrender to the west

FFS... a Western MSM article quotes un-named "people" and the wailing begins from the fuktards who still, after all these fucking years, haven't figured out that the MO of our corporate media is to shit-can everything Russia does and cast it in the worst light possible.  Who are these "people"?  The janitor and tea-trolley lady?  

Typical shit-eating touch at the end of the article with a mandatory section about some past unrelated Russian failure, this time about Meteor-M lost due to Fregat software fuckup.  Whats the bet the same stenographer would not have mentioned the failed Zuma launch in an article on manned Dragon?  Pathetic biased BS from our despicable corporate media presstitutes...

MOSCOW, July 18. /TASS/. A Federatsiya (Federation) manned spacecraft is to be built within the shortest possible period of time to be launched by a Soyuz-5 carrier rocket from the Baikonur space center, head of Russia’s state space corporation Roscosmos Dmitry Rogozin said on Wednesday.

"We plan that this spacecraft will be built within the shortest possible period of time. We will pool all our efforts, including the technical client department, which will control the work of Energia Rocket and Space Corporation on this project. We plan that the first trials of this spaceship will be carried out when launches of Soyuz-5 carrier rockets begin from Baikonur under the Baiterek project," he said.

http://tass.com/science/1013894

Last week he was ranting how Federation will be launched from Angara and this week it's back to Soyuz-5

After he said that Soyuz-5 is unsatisfactory

I like that intelligent plan is back in vogue for this particular week but he should make up his miniscule mind already and commit for real

Maybe its just part of Russian Maskirovka

PapaDragon wrote:
And it's finished:

New spacecraft 'delayed' in latest setback for Russia

https://news.sky.com/story/new-spacecraft-delayed-in-latest-setback-for-russia-11439311


Next step: cancelation


Like I said, Angara is not capable of delivering Federation into orbit because it lacks whole 4 tons of payload capacity.

Trampoline Man decided to push for Angara at the expense of every other space project they have because he sees it as his chance to get the upper hand in that "feud" he thinks he has with Elon Musk (which is funny since Musk is probably not aware of the fact that Trampoline Man even exists)


Here is how things will go down, same pattern as always:

-Angara is declared Russia's new "super-heavy" rocket (ROFL)

-Designers of Federation are ordered (again) to trim down 4 tons off the spacecraft (impossible to do without turning it into flying casket)

-Federation is declared incapable of carrying out Russia's "ambitious" space goals

-Massive redesign of Federation is ordered

-In the meantime new design for manned spacecraft is ordered, one that will have "no foreign analogues"​

-Federation is quietly cancelled ("new" spacecraft as well soon afterwards)

-"Upgraded" old Soyuz capsule is declared Russia's new gen spacecraft (maybe it will get new paintjob but most likely they will just add extra letter to the name and call it a day)



Federation will soon be joining long line of paper fanart projects like Baikal, Rus-M and Clipper

RIP

Big_Gazza wrote:

flamming_python wrote:You forgot the part where at each redesign or new project, more of the funds are surreptitiously siphoned off to managers of the project and officials.

Yeah, thanks for another mindless generalisation without a single scrap of proof... cuz that's what we really need in this place.  

Big_Gazza wrote:hysteria that the space program is "failing".  In reality, Russia currently fields everything it currently needs to support its various space needs

miketheterrible wrote:So what was canceled and pushed back then?

According to Sputnik, a Russian government-controlled news agency, the Roscosmos state corporation will likely to suffer funding shortages amounting to 150 billion rubles (more than $2 billion) in the next three years, from 2019 to 2021.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/06/russia-may-lack-the-funds-to-compete-with-spacexs-falcon-9-rocket/

PapaDragon wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:So what was canceled and pushed back then?

Federation has been delayed and will probably​ be cancelled because they ordered it to be switched from Soyuz-5 to Angara. Angara can't deliver spacecraft of that size into orbit.

Soyuz-5 has been delayed. It will be cancelled once financial numbers come in because all money is now being redirected back into Angara since that's the project that Trampoline Man convinced himself will give him the upper hand in his perceived feud with Musk.

Super-heavy rocket will not be happening without Soyuz-5. Soyuz-5 is not happening. Hence no super-heavy rocket.

Every single scientific probe mission is delayed or cancelled. Lunar and Venus missions are on their 10th delay and counting.

Spekt space telescope is decade behind schedule. It was recently delayed again.

Nauka ISS module spent 20 years in storage, once they finally tested it they realized that it started to fall apart due to age so they practically had to rebuild it. It was delayed again last year.

Roskosmos is blocking sale of manufacturing rights to S7 for old engines it's not using, probably because someone stands to profit from stunting any private development in aerospace segment.

And best of all even Trampoline Man's vanity project is late, latest news is that they will sign papers for construction of Angara launchpad in Vostochniy in August. Construction was due to start way back in January. God knows when it will actually start.

That's just off the top of my head, if I sat down and checked I could write a whole essay on this.

In short: during past 30 years Russia has accomplished NOTHING in space segment. And at this rate they will not accomplish anything in another 30 years.

If fully funded, the Soyuz-5 could be ready for service by 2022, but budget cuts will preclude that, Moiseev said. Any delays to the project will probably prove fatal, as SpaceX's Falcon 9 rocket is likely to see diminished costs over time as the company continues to improve the booster's reusability. In other words, even if the Soyuz-5 rocket is competitive on paper with the Falcon 9 now, it is unlikely to be so four years from now.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/06/russia-may-lack-the-funds-to-compete-with-spacexs-falcon-9-rocket/