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    Post  GarryB Sat Sep 20, 2014 5:27 am

    What annoys me most is that the west is imposing sanctions against Russia for something it does on a daily basis and continues to do now.

    If the west had not interfered in the Ukraine there would not be an internationally recognised term called orange revolution.

    Perhaps the rest of the world needs to impose sanctions on the west and the EU?
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    Post  Mike E Sat Sep 20, 2014 5:57 am

    GarryB wrote:What annoys me most is that the west is imposing sanctions against Russia for something it does on a daily basis and continues to do now.

    If the west had not interfered in the Ukraine there would not be an internationally recognised term called orange revolution.

    Perhaps the rest of the world needs to impose sanctions on the west and the EU?
    - I can only hope so, they are the "true" aggressors.
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    Post  higurashihougi Sat Sep 20, 2014 6:39 am

    Mike E wrote:
    GarryB wrote:What annoys me most is that the west is imposing sanctions against Russia for something it does on a daily basis and continues to do now.

    If the west had not interfered in the Ukraine there would not be an internationally recognised term called orange revolution.

    Perhaps the rest of the world needs to impose sanctions on the west and the EU?
    - I can only hope so, they are the "true" aggressors.

    Justice belongs to the one who possesses the largest amount of money.

    And it's time for Russia to ignore the West and focus on potential contractors in other regions.
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    Post  Mike E Sat Sep 20, 2014 7:15 am

    higurashihougi wrote:
    Mike E wrote:
    GarryB wrote:What annoys me most is that the west is imposing sanctions against Russia for something it does on a daily basis and continues to do now.

    If the west had not interfered in the Ukraine there would not be an internationally recognised term called orange revolution.

    Perhaps the rest of the world needs to impose sanctions on the west and the EU?
    - I can only hope so, they are the "true" aggressors.

    Justice belongs to the one who possesses the largest amount of money.

    And it's time for Russia to ignore the West and focus on potential contractors in other regions.

    True, unfortunately true...
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sun Sep 21, 2014 1:58 am

    Mike E wrote:
    At least Hollande seems to be "warming up"

    Warming up to whom presumably?

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    Post  Mike E Sun Sep 21, 2014 2:08 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Mike E wrote:
    At least Hollande seems to be "warming up"

    Warming up to whom presumably?

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    Ok, he isn't "warming up"... At the very least he is coming to his senses now that he understands that France must deliver the Mistrals... There is no denying that he is, even if just a little, screwing with the Western leaders who oppose the deal. - Aka, he knows that France will suffer economically if the deal is cancelled or delayed further. No money = no way to pay the workers (or out of pocket) = loss etc. He probably also respects the fact that this delay makes their MIC look bad, but that could just be me.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sun Sep 21, 2014 3:03 pm

    Mike E wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Mike E wrote:
    At least Hollande seems to be "warming up"

    Warming up to whom presumably?

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    Ok, he isn't "warming up"... At the very least he is coming to his senses now that he understands that France must deliver the Mistrals... There is no denying that he is, even if just a little, screwing with the Western leaders who oppose the deal. - Aka, he knows that France will suffer economically if the deal is cancelled or delayed further. No money = no way to pay the workers (or out of pocket) = loss etc. He probably also respects the fact that this delay makes their MIC look bad, but that could just be me.

    On a fun side note, both Obama and Hollande are the least liked presidents in the history of their respective countries according to recent polls, and Hollande has exactly 86% disapproval rating among French citizens, while Putin has the exact opposite rating with 86% approval rating among Russian citizens... Razz

    http://rt.com/news/189444-france-hollande-popularity-low/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome

    http://www.lejdd.fr/Politique/Sondage-Hollande-bat-un-nouveau-record-d-impopularite-688514
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    Post  Mike E Sun Sep 21, 2014 6:15 pm

    86%! That is truly terrible, and probably is the worst of any current president..... That makes it seem like the negative French population will vote in Le Pen. As for Obama, his ratings are even lower than what the media says... - The only people that are "satisfied" with him are the lowest IQ members of the Democrat party!

    As this topic is a little off topic, any Mistral news?
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    Post  Mike E Mon Sep 22, 2014 5:22 am

    Rogozin: Russia can do without French-built Mistral helicopter carriers

    He also said that statements from France that a contract could be cancelled with the ships turned over to somebody else, were unlawful as one third of that ship was Russian-made

    MOSCOW, September 22. /ITAR-TASS/. Russia can do without French-built Mistral-class helicopter carriers whose delivery has been suspended over Ukraine, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said in Sunday Evening with Vladimir Solovyov TV programme.
    “Last year, on November 16 we transferred to our Indian colleagues the Vikramaditya light aircraft carrier, which war formerly our Admiral Gorshkov missile cruiser. Thus, having implemented that contract and earning big money, we proved inside Russia and showed to the country’s leadership that Russia can now assemble ships of that kind,” Rogozin said.
    A state-of-the-art aircraft carrier is the peak of shipbuilding, he said. “As for a landing ship - it has a much simpler design. Of course we can do this,” the deputy prime minister said.
    He said Mistral-class helicopter carriers were designed for the Mediterranean climate. “They are not exactly suitable for us as for climatic requirements, at least they surely won’t be able to sail in our northern seas,” he said.
    He also said that statements from France that a contract could be cancelled with the ships turned over to somebody else, were unlawful as one third of that ship was Russian-made. “The stern section of Mistral was made at Baltic Shipyard in St. Petersburg. That is why if they want to keep the ship, we will have to tear away its stern section and get it back to use it in other ships,” Rogozin said.
    For the same reason, it is impossible to transfer this half-of-the-ship to anybody else,” he added. “Secondly, the money has been paid and it must be returned with penalties. Thirdly, it is not even money that France is risking, but its status of a reliable supplier in the World Trade Organisation,” Rogozin said.
    Russia and France signed the 1.2 billion euro ($1.6 billion) contract for two French-built Mistral-class helicopter carriers in June 2011. The first ship, named Vladivostok, was floated out in October 2013. In September 2014, the ship has gone on sea trials with a Russian crew onboard.
    French President Francois Hollande suspended the delivery of the two helicopter carriers to Russia in early September because of the events in eastern Ukraine and said that the final delivery on the Mistral contract will be made in late October.
    Two Mistral-type ships are now under construction at Saint-Nazaire, France, and St. Petersburg, Russia. A possible purchase by Russia of two more ships from France will be considered based on the performance results of the first two. The shipyard is to build 90% of each of the ships and then they will be floated off to be taken to Toulon for completion.
    Mistral landing helicopter carriers will perform four tasks at the same time: receive helicopters, land troops, act as a command post and a floating hospital.
    Each ship will carry a group of 16 helicopters. Six of them can be deployed on the flight-deck at the same time. The cargo deck can accommodate more than 40 tanks or 70 motor vehicles.
    Russia is buying the French helicopter carrier Mistral with French equipment, including combat navigation devices, but will arm it with its own weaponry. The Mistral ships will carry upgraded Russian Ka-32 Alligator attack helicopters
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    Post  Mike E Mon Sep 22, 2014 6:45 am

    Mistral-class ship with Russian crew arrives in Saint-Nazaire after training voyage

    A total of 250 Russian seamen and at least 200 French specialists worked on board the Vladivostok for ten days

    SAINT-NAZAIRE (France), September 22. /ITAR-TASS/. The Mistral-class helicopter carrier Vladivostok sailed into Saint-Nazaire harbor overnight to Monday after a training voyage with a Russian-French crew on board.
    A total of 250 Russian seamen and at least 200 French specialists worked on board the Vladivostok for ten days. The helicopter carrier will now get a day-and-a-half rest before a second training voyage with a second Russian crew from September 23 to October 2. About 400 Russian sailors arrived in Saint-Nazaire in late June for training in the use and operation of the new helicopter carrier which is under construction at the shipyard.
    Upon the end of the training, and if France honours the contract, they will return to St. Petersburg in November aboard the ship, which after additional refitting will sail off to its homeport of Vladivostok.
    Russia and France signed the 1.2 billion euro ($1.6 billion) contract for two French-built Mistral-class helicopter carriers in June 2011. French President Francois Hollande said France had not suspended or cancelled the deal with Russia, but the delivery of the ships would depend on how the situation developed in eastern Ukraine which has been gripped by violence and fighting between militias and government troops for months. He earlier assured Russia that his country would fulfill its obligations and hand over the first ship as scheduled but the work on the second one would depend on Moscow’s position on the Ukrainian crisis. The second ship, Sevastopol, was laid down in June 2013 in Russia’s St. Petersburg, where the stern was built. It was towed to Saint-Nazaire early in September for completion. Under initial plans, Sevastopol was to be handed over to Russia at the end of 2015. Mistral-class ships have a displacement of 21,000 tonnes. Maximum hull length is 210 metres and the ship can develop a speed of up to 18 knots with a cruising endurance of up to 20,000 miles.The helicopter carrier can accommodate 450 people in addition to its crew of 180. It carries 16 helicopters, of which six can be simultaneously stored on the flight-deck, and can carry several dozen armoured vehicles.
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    Post  George1 Mon Sep 22, 2014 3:06 pm

    Mistral-class ship with Russian crew arrives in Saint-Nazaire after training voyage

    SAINT-NAZAIRE (France), September 22. /ITAR-TASS/. The Mistral-class helicopter carrier Vladivostok sailed into Saint-Nazaire harbor overnight to Monday after a training voyage with a Russian-French crew on board.

    A total of 250 Russian seamen and at least 200 French specialists worked on board the Vladivostok for ten days. The helicopter carrier will now get a day-and-a-half rest before a second training voyage with a second Russian crew from September 23 to October 2.

    About 400 Russian sailors arrived in Saint-Nazaire in late June for training in the use and operation of the new helicopter carrier which is under construction at the shipyard.

    Upon the end of the training, and if France honours the contract, they will return to St. Petersburg in November aboard the ship, which after additional refitting will sail off to its homeport of Vladivostok.

    Russia and France signed the 1.2 billion euro ($1.6 billion) contract for two French-built Mistral-class helicopter carriers in June 2011.

    French President Francois Hollande said France had not suspended or cancelled the deal with Russia, but the delivery of the ships would depend on how the situation developed in eastern Ukraine which has been gripped by violence and fighting between militias and government troops for months.

    He earlier assured Russia that his country would fulfill its obligations and hand over the first ship as scheduled but the work on the second one would depend on Moscow’s position on the Ukrainian crisis.

    The second ship, Sevastopol, was laid down in June 2013 in Russia’s St. Petersburg, where the stern was built. It was towed to Saint-Nazaire early in September for completion. Under initial plans, Sevastopol was to be handed over to Russia at the end of 2015.

    Mistral-class ships have a displacement of 21,000 tonnes. Maximum hull length is 210 metres and the ship can develop a speed of up to 18 knots with a cruising endurance of up to 20,000 miles.

    The helicopter carrier can accommodate 450 people in addition to its crew of 180. It carries 16 helicopters, of which six can be simultaneously stored on the flight-deck, and can carry several dozen armoured vehicles.
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    Post  Mike E Mon Sep 22, 2014 8:09 pm

    France cannot deliver first Mistral warship to Russia — French ForMin

    Russia and France signed the €1.2 billion ($1.6 billion) contract for two French-built Mistral-class helicopter carriers in June 2011

    PARIS, September 22. /ITAR-TASS/. Paris says it cannot deliver the first of two Mistral helicopter carrier ships to Russia, French Foreign Ministry deputy spokesman Alexandre Giorgini said on Monday.
    Russia and France signed the €1.2 billion ($1.6 billion) contract for two French-built Mistral-class helicopter carriers in June 2011.
    French President Francois Hollande said France had not suspended or cancelled the deal with Russia, but the delivery of the ships would depend on how the situation developed in eastern Ukraine which has been gripped by violence and fighting between militias and government troops for months.
    He earlier assured Russia that his country would fulfill its obligations and hand over the first ship as scheduled but the work on the second one would depend on Moscow’s position on the Ukrainian crisis.
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    Post  Firebird Mon Sep 22, 2014 8:27 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Mike E wrote:
    At least Hollande seems to be "warming up"

    Warming up to whom presumably?

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    Obummer must be the biggest shitstabber of an American president ever.
    Even his pretend Mrs is looking as if to say "What the fuck! If you bum him I'll fucking KILL you".

    Why are so many politicians fags? I thought it was mainly a disease of British politicians.
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    Post  Mike E Wed Sep 24, 2014 6:01 pm

    Russia's United Shipbuilding Corporation ready to build Mistral-class warships


    MOSCOW, September 24. /ITAR-TASS/. Russia’s United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC) will be able to build, if necessary, the Mistral class helicopter carriers for the Russian Defense Ministry, USC President Aleksei Rakhmanov said on Wednesday. He said the Baltic Shipyard has already made two stern sections for helicopter carriers the final assembly of which is made in France.
    “We can work, we know how to do this,” Rakhmanov said, adding that the hull construction makes only 25 - 30% of a helicopter carrier cost “at best.”
    “It’s quite a feasible task,” the USC chief said, referring to the prospects for the construction of Mistral class warships in Russia. “I don’t see any special challenge here, because we are roughly aware of what should be done,” he added.
    “The possibility of making orders for two more Mistral ships is a question to the Defense Ministry,” Rakhmanov said.

    France refuses to deliver Mistral ship


    Paris on Monday said it cannot deliver the first of two Mistral helicopter carrier ships to Russia.
    Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin remarked, that if France decided to transfer the ship to somebody else, it would be unlawfull as one third of that ship is Russian-made.
    “The stern section of Mistral was made at Baltic Shipyard in St. Petersburg. That is why if they want to keep the ship, we will have to tear away its stern section and get it back to use it in other ships,” Rogozin said.

    Contract not suspended though delivery not possible


    French President Francois Hollande said France had not suspended or cancelled the deal with Russia, but the delivery of the ships would depend on how the situation develops in eastern Ukraine which has been gripped by violence and fighting between militias and government troops for months.
    Hollande said these conditions were not currently in place there and if the situation deteriorated further, France would delay the delivery again.
    Earlier, he assured Russia that his country would fulfill its obligations and hand over the first ship as scheduled but the work on the second one would depend on Moscow’s position on the Ukrainian crisis.
    President Vladimir Putin said France will have to return the money paid for the ships if it refuses to deliver them.

    Mistral contract


    Russia and France signed the €1.2 billion ($1.6 billion) contract for two French-built Mistral-class helicopter carriers in June 2011.
    Under the contract, each Mistral ship has to be built by France within 36 months. The first of them, the Vladivostok, was to arrive in St. Petersburg from Saint-Nazaire, France, in December 2014.
    The second ship, the Sevastopol, is to arrive in St. Petersburg in November 2015 to make a voyage to the Pacific Fleet and join it in the second half of 2016.
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    Post  medo Wed Sep 24, 2014 9:44 pm

    http://vpk.name/news/118017_koreec_vmesto_francuza.html

    Russia could buy South Korean Dokdo ships instead of Mistrals and they could be built in Zvezda shipyard in Vladivostok. Those ships would be fully rusified and all US components would be replaced with Russian components.
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    Post  Mike E Wed Sep 24, 2014 10:00 pm

    medo wrote:http://vpk.name/news/118017_koreec_vmesto_francuza.html

    Russia could buy South Korean Dokdo ships instead of Mistrals and they could be built in Zvezda shipyard in Vladivostok. Those ships would be fully rusified and all US components would be replaced with Russian components.
    Don't get your hopes up.... France will deliver the Mistrals, it is a question of "when" not "if". Plus the Dokdo is smaller, has a lesser payload, and can only support 10 helicopters...
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    Post  Mike E Fri Sep 26, 2014 1:35 am

    Minister: Russia Plans to Get Mistral Warship in Fall, as Scheduled
    MOSCOW, September 25 (RIA Novosti) – Russia expects France to deliver the first Mistral-class helicopter carrier this fall, as scheduled, Russian Industry and Trade Minister Denis Manturov said Thursday.
    "Russia plans to get Mistral warships at a previously agreed date," he told RIA Novosti.
    In 2011, the two countries signed a contract for two French-built Mistral class amphibious assault ships worth 1.2 billion euro ($1.5 billion at the current exchange rate). Under the deal, the first warship, the Vladivostok, is to be delivered in 2014 and the second, the Sevastopol, in 2015.
    Earlier in September the office of French President Francois Hollande threatened to suspend the delivery of the helicopter carriers, linking his decision to the crisis in Ukraine and claiming that Moscow was directly involved in it. However, a French diplomatic source told RIA Novosti that the delivery of the ship had not been put off and that the president's statement did not have any legal consequences.
    Later, Hollande stated that he would make a final decision on the delivery of the helicopter carriers by the end of October based on the situation in eastern Ukraine.
    The first of the two Mistral carriers built for Russia, Vladivostok, finished a series of tests earlier this week.


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    Post  navyfield Fri Sep 26, 2014 5:40 pm

    Mike E wrote:Minister: Russia Plans to Get Mistral Warship in Fall, as Scheduled
    MOSCOW, September 25 (RIA Novosti) – Russia expects France to deliver the first Mistral-class helicopter carrier this fall, as scheduled, Russian Industry and Trade Minister Denis Manturov said Thursday.
    "Russia plans to get Mistral warships at a previously agreed date," he told RIA Novosti.
    In 2011, the two countries signed a contract for two French-built Mistral class amphibious assault ships worth 1.2 billion euro ($1.5 billion at the current exchange rate). Under the deal, the first warship, the Vladivostok, is to be delivered in 2014 and the second, the Sevastopol, in 2015.
    Earlier in September the office of French President Francois Hollande threatened to suspend the delivery of the helicopter carriers, linking his decision to the crisis in Ukraine and claiming that Moscow was directly involved in it. However, a French diplomatic source told RIA Novosti that the delivery of the ship had not been put off and that the president's statement did not have any legal consequences.
    Later, Hollande stated that he would make a final decision on the delivery of the helicopter carriers by the end of October based on the situation in eastern Ukraine.
    The first of the two Mistral carriers built for Russia, Vladivostok, finished a series of tests earlier this week.


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    Post  Mike E Fri Sep 26, 2014 8:56 pm

    navyfield wrote:
    Mike E wrote:Minister: Russia Plans to Get Mistral Warship in Fall, as Scheduled
    MOSCOW, September 25 (RIA Novosti) – Russia expects France to deliver the first Mistral-class helicopter carrier this fall, as scheduled, Russian Industry and Trade Minister Denis Manturov said Thursday.
    "Russia plans to get Mistral warships at a previously agreed date," he told RIA Novosti.
    In 2011, the two countries signed a contract for two French-built Mistral class amphibious assault ships worth 1.2 billion euro ($1.5 billion at the current exchange rate). Under the deal, the first warship, the Vladivostok, is to be delivered in 2014 and the second, the Sevastopol, in 2015.
    Earlier in September the office of French President Francois Hollande threatened to suspend the delivery of the helicopter carriers, linking his decision to the crisis in Ukraine and claiming that Moscow was directly involved in it. However, a French diplomatic source told RIA Novosti that the delivery of the ship had not been put off and that the president's statement did not have any legal consequences.
    Later, Hollande stated that he would make a final decision on the delivery of the helicopter carriers by the end of October based on the situation in eastern Ukraine.
    The first of the two Mistral carriers built for Russia, Vladivostok, finished a series of tests earlier this week.


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    You really are something, aren't you? Time after time we've proved to you that they will be delivered on time, and even if they aren't, Moskva will receive a large amount of money! - There is no downside here, sorry, but you (and I for that matter) can't complain...  France is between a rock and a hard place, what do you think they are going to do? - Not deliver the ships, causing them to lose jobs and a ton of money, or deliver them, making (or losing) very little money, without losing the jobs...
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    Post  Mike E Fri Oct 03, 2014 2:41 am

    France to Decide Upon Mistral Delivery to Russia by November: French Defense Minister

    WASHINGTON, October 3 (RIA Novosti) -The delivery of the Mistral-class warships to Russia will depend on the ceasefire agreement in Ukraine and could take place at the beginning of November, French Minister of Defense Jean-Yves Le Drian said at the joint Pentagon briefing with US Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel on Thursday.
    "The decision will be taken at the time of delivery. That should be at the end of October (or the) beginning of November," Le Drian said late on Thursday.
    Le Drian added there were two elements by which French President Francois Hollande would allow the delivery to proceed.
    "First, a lasting cease fire and, on the other hand, the start of a serious political process and it is when looking at both conditions that he is going to take his decision at that time," France's Defense Minister stated.
    Le Drian noted that French President Francois Hollande said conditions were not ripe for delivery in September.
    On October 1, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Alexei Meshkov told RIA Novosti that Russia expects France to deliver Mistral-class amphibious assault ships on schedule.
    The 1.2-billion-euro ($1.7 billion at the current exchange rate) contract to supply the Mistral-class ships between the French ship-building company DCNS and Russia's state-run arms exporter Rosoboronexport was signed in June 2011. The first carrier, the Vladivostok, is to be operated by the Russian Navy in 2014, while the second ship, the Sevastopol, will arrive in 2015.
    Earlier in September, French President Francois Hollande threatened to suspend the delivery of the helicopter carriers, citing alleged involvement of Russia in the Ukrainian crisis as the reason. However, a French diplomatic source later told RIA Novosti that the delivery had not been officially put off and that the French president was simply outlining his political stance.
    Hollande later stated he would make the decision in late October. The president added that the two conditions for the delivery of the ships are an observed ceasefire in Ukraine and a political settlement of the conflict.
    On September 30, Igor Sevastyanov, a deputy director general of Rosoboronexport, announced that Russia and France may sign an act on transferring first French-built Mistral class amphibious assault ship to Russia in late October or early November.
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    Post  higurashihougi Fri Oct 10, 2014 9:32 am

    http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/russia-demands-final-mistral-decision-or-money-back/508722.html


    Russia Demands Final Decision on Mistral Warships or Money Back

    Russia's Foreign Ministry has demanded that France make a clear statement regarding the delivery status of the first of two Mistral-class warships at the end of October. If Paris decides to cancel the deal then the Foreign Ministry says the money should be returned.

    "It's time for the French to determine their position because this summer we heard that, despite the current situation, the contract will be honored. … It is time now to decide, and if not, the money should be returned," Foreign Ministry spokesperson Alexander Lukashevich said, the RIA Novosti news agency reported Thursday. russia  russia  russia

    In early September, French President Francois Hollande, under pressure from several NATO allies to refrain from giving the ships to Russia in response to Moscow's annexation of Crimea and support for rebels in eastern Ukraine, said the delivery would only go through if the situation in Ukraine improved.

    Russia has continuously protested any potential cancellation of the delivery, demanding that France honor the 1.2 billion euro ($1.5 billion) deal.

    "The situation is quite simple: There is a contract that should be completed. Under this contract, significant [sums of money] were transferred," said Russian Foreign Ministry spokesperson Alexander Lukashevich, RIA Novosti reported Thursday.

    If things have changed on the French side, Lukashevich added, "this needs to be discussed [face to face], not through the methods of megaphone diplomacy, especially through the media."
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    http://soha.vn/quan-su/nga-phai-ra-toi-hau-thu-cho-phap-vu-giao-tau-mistral-20141010094851189.htm (originally in Vietnamese)

    Translation wrote:The dubious attitude of France displeased Russia, therefore Russia has sent a final message to demand a clear answer to the affairs. If France breaks the contract, it has to pay a huge sum of money. And the finished Mistrals also have to be scrapped because parts of these Mistrals are made by Russia. Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

    The most damage France is that its reputation in weapon market. Analysists warned that France will have to pay dearly if it breaks the contract with Russia. Because France's contractors will lost their trust and abandon France. Twisted Evil Twisted Evil
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    Post  GarryB Fri Oct 10, 2014 10:05 am

    The French would be mad to give up this contract, and the French generally are not mad.

    They can, however be very stubborn, but in this case it is France doing as it is told by the US... which is something it wont like anyway.

    I am pretty sure the future of large scale cooperation with France is unlikely for Russia now and I suspect contracts for the future will mainly involve domestic production of French products that involve domestic components to avoid this sort of situation again...

    In practical terms these are just helicopter carriers. The Russians will likely use their command capability and of course their landing capability in the north and the Pacific, and in humanitarian situations the large numbers of hospital beds and advanced medical facilities on board will be very useful for a range of humanitarian situations... from friendship visits to africa and asia and the pacific islands, though to disaster relief for floods, tsunamis, earthquakes and other natural disasters.
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    Post  Mike E Fri Oct 10, 2014 4:45 pm

    GarryB wrote:The French would be mad to give up this contract, and the French generally are not mad.

    They can, however be very stubborn, but in this case it is France doing as it is told by the US... which is something it wont like anyway.

    I am pretty sure the future of large scale cooperation with France is unlikely for Russia now and I suspect contracts for the future will mainly involve domestic production of French products that involve domestic components to avoid this sort of situation again...

    In practical terms these are just helicopter carriers. The Russians will likely use their command capability and of course their landing capability in the north and the Pacific, and in humanitarian situations the large numbers of hospital beds and advanced medical facilities on board will be very useful for a range of humanitarian situations... from friendship visits to africa and asia and the pacific islands, though to disaster relief for floods, tsunamis, earthquakes and other natural disasters.
    They are "mad" enough to elect their current leaders! lol1

    Yeah, but that being said, they aren't completely bowing down to the US like they normally do.... We can be thankful of that!

    Now that the "Atom" will be "Russofied", there is proof of that... France + Russia could make some good equipment together, too bad they are a part of NATO.

    True, but more importantly they can be used as landing ships... They carry a ton of cargo and troops, and combined with the helicopter fleet plus other landing ships/docks, it should be very potent.
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    Post  sepheronx Fri Oct 10, 2014 8:41 pm

    http://en.itar-tass.com/economy/753719

    Once again france, Ukraine is not a stipulation in the contract. Point of a contract is you cant change it upon will and if there is a date set for delivory, they cant change it over something none related. If EU wants to out pressure on Russia, Russia needs to apply pressure back and tell france either delivor it on time or face the consequences. France then will show their true face then.
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    Post  Mike E Fri Oct 10, 2014 8:44 pm

    sepheronx wrote:http://en.itar-tass.com/economy/753719

    Once again france, Ukraine is not a stipulation in the contract. Point of a contract is you cant change it upon will and if there is a date set for delivory, they cant change it over something none related. If EU wants to out pressure on Russia, Russia needs to apply pressure back and tell france either delivor it on time or face the consequences. France then will show their true face then.
    Like GarryB I both said, they will *have* to deliver them. It is a matter of when and not if. They've been threatening this whole time to cancel/delay further, and guess what, they haven't done a thing!

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