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    Post  Isos Sat Dec 10, 2022 12:45 pm

    Not as much ammo as machine guns. They are heavy weapons and the grenades are much more costly and take longer to be produced in less quantity than stabdard ammo.

    But I agree if you know how to use it and fire at the target, 2 or 3 grenades will decimate any light target including vehicles, groups of soldiers, light bunkers, houses...

    However precision at long distances isn't that great. Plenty of footages shows it being used as a mortar to saturates a zone or some random shooting hoping it will touch something.

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    Post  lyle6 Sat Dec 10, 2022 2:17 pm

    The crew-served heavy grenade launchers are basically pocket mortars.

    The lack of precision is intended. You want that weight of fire spread over a large area instead of churning up dust for the same patch of ground.

    Russian grenades in particular, use steel bodies so the fragments they produce can easily rip through heavy clothing.

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    Post  Hole Sat Dec 10, 2022 4:22 pm

    And the grenades are bouncing after hitting the ground, explosion happens somewhere between 1,50 and 2,00 metres.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Dec 11, 2022 10:37 am

    Not as much ammo as machine guns.

    True, but they also don't use as much.

    With a vehicle mounted system rigidly mounted and with optics and ballistic computer I would say the grenade distribution would be much much less than from a portable grenade launcher... they tend to jump around a lot when they fire leading to a spread of grenades on targets at extended distances.

    Shooting at a target at 1.5km a 5-10 round burst of grenades would likely be rather effective, while a 50-100 round burst of 7.62 might not get a direct hit on anything.

    They are heavy weapons and the grenades are much more costly and take longer to be produced in less quantity than stabdard ammo.

    The ammo certainly is much heavier and more bulky and also rather more expensive, and against some targets might not be as effective as bullets (especially AP bullets or other specialist types...

    However precision at long distances isn't that great. Plenty of footages shows it being used as a mortar to saturates a zone or some random shooting hoping it will touch something.

    Another factor is range, with the new 30mm grenades (well they aren't that new now) their 30mm grenade launcher can reach 2.1km which is rather better than rifle calibre machine gun fire which would probably reach its limit at about 1.5km unless you use very long bursts.

    Their new 40mm grenade launcher fires to 2.5km and has a bigger heavier more effective grenade.

    The crew-served heavy grenade launchers are basically pocket mortars.

    During WWII a Soviet designer actually had a 50mm automatic grenade launcher intended to replace the 50mm mortar... the idea like the newer models was to make up for the small bomb by firing them in numbers giving a cluster bomb effect which made it more effective, but the designer died and the project disappeared... most military forces eventually came to the conclusion that 50mm mortars were just too expensive for what they were and dropped them for rifle launched grenades or nothing at all.

    The lack of precision is intended. You want that weight of fire spread over a large area instead of churning up dust for the same patch of ground.

    The ground based launchers certainly jump around during firing, but the effect of the grenades is scary... there is a Combat Approved episode showing them testing the 30mm grenade launcher with cardboard and balloon targets showing the fragmentation extent of each grenade.

    And the grenades are bouncing after hitting the ground, explosion happens somewhere between 1,50 and 2,00 metres.

    They don't naturally do that, but the Soviets/Russians have a model of 40mm grenades for their underbarrel grenade launchers that has a separate bounding charge to blow the grenade up into the air before the main charge explodes... it detonates the main charge usually at 1.5-2m height.

    With standard impact grenades they tend of course to explode on the ground resulting in serious leg and lower body injuries, but with the bounding grenades (idea based on german mines that did the same thing) means they explode at head height so the wounds tend to be head and neck and upper chest wounds that are far more dangerous and life threatening.

    Much better bang for your buck.
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    Post  lyle6 Mon Dec 12, 2022 10:39 am


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    Post  GarryB Mon Dec 12, 2022 10:59 am

    Wow, that is interesting... it says that in combat the Tanks roll in first and the Terminators follow and use their Thermals and optics (pano sights) to look for threats attacking the tanks and engaging them... so effectively the tanks will have targets they are focusing on, but the following terminators can eliminate any enemy that pop up and try to engage the tanks or their own vehicles...

    That is rather interesting...

    Of course the tanks would still benefit from Thermal Panorama sights but this makes them safer too.

    (thanks for posting)
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    Post  Hole Mon Dec 12, 2022 12:29 pm

    This is exactly the reasoning behind the development of such vehicles which started back in the 70´s. The BMPT does the job of AIFV´s in the
    combined arms attack, but without the infantry sitting in the back. No infantry to worry about. Tanks can move faster.

    The really interesting part are the auto and semi-auto modes of the weapon system. Did I get that right, the turret turns into the direction where
    enemy fire comes from and the vehicle shoots by itself?

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    Post  Mir Mon Dec 12, 2022 2:52 pm

    Cool
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    Post  diabetus Mon Dec 12, 2022 10:00 pm

    Might as well convert more t-72s to these instead of the B3 maybe.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Dec 13, 2022 7:01 am

    @MIR,

    Is that real or is someone taking the piss?

    Those grenade launchers are just grenade launchers and the gunners sight it identifies as a laser system seems wrong too.

    The ATGMs can of course be used against drone targets as can the 30mm main guns with command detonated 30mm cannon shells, but much of the rest seems a bit far fetched.

    They do have a laser based anti drone vehicle in operation in Ukraine but I don't think it is Terminator based... ( though it would be amusing if the Terminator did have a 40 watt plasma rifle as requested.... )

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    Post  lyle6 Tue Dec 13, 2022 7:15 am

    Hole wrote:
    The really interesting part are the auto and semi-auto modes of the weapon system. Did I get that right, the turret turns into the direction where
    enemy fire comes from and the vehicle shoots by itself?
    Shtora-1 allows for automatic slewing of the gun to the direction of the enemy laser so maybe the BMPT has something similar.

    Also possible that they can service targets designated through the battle net.

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