Air Defence of VDV units

George1 wrote:World's first air-droppable missile system being developed for Russian Airborne Forces

The system is being created for the Russian Airborne Forces on the basis of the BMD-4M combat vehicle

MOSCOW, May 4. /TASS/. The world's first air-droppable air defense missile system is being created for the Russian Airborne Forces on the basis of the BMD-4M combat vehicle, a source in the Russian Defense Ministry told TASS on Wednesday.

"The work is underway on the on the creation of an air-droppable anti-aircraft missile defense system based on the BMD-4M airborne combat vehicle. The experimental design work is codenamed Ptitselov (Fowler)," the source said.

According to him, the system will be parachuted.

The Russian Airborne Forces currently have in service various modifications of the Strela-10 air defense missile system the basic model of which had been made operational in 1976.

The track-mounted Sadovnitsa BMD-4M combat vehicle is a version of the BMD-4 vehicle with a new body, engine, chassis and other units. It is equipped with the Bakhcha-U combat unit, which comprises two guns - one of 100-mm caliber and another - of 30-mm caliber, and a machine gun. Previously, a Russian Defense Ministry source told TASS that the BMD-4M vehicle, along with the BTR-MDM (Rakushka) armored personnel carrier entered service. According to other previous reports, under the existing contract the Russian Defense Ministry should receive within three years up to 250 of these airborne combat vehicles and armored personnel carriers.


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MOSCOW, may 4. /TASS/. New anti-aircraft missile system created for the airborne troops of Russia, will allow them to repel attacks from medium and high altitudes, which can not cope with existing Avialesookhrana's air defenses. This opinion was expressed in an interview with TASS chief editor of the magazine "Arsenal Fatherland" Victor Murakhovski.

Earlier, a source in the Russian defense Ministry told TASS that in Russia on the basis of the combat vehicle BMD-4M is created first in the world aviatechnology anti-aircraft missile system. Work, according to the source, are conducted under the code "Fowler".

"Given that the means of air attack of the enemy are improved, appear in the number of drone strike aircraft, the task of covering from the modern means of air attack is very important. The Russian army first in the world to get such SAM system adapted for parachute landing. In other armies of the world such complexes are not available," - said murakhovski.
He reiterated that the Marines have no anti-aircraft missile complexes, which could be planted parachute, except portable - type "Needle" or "willow".

"Such systems work well for direct cover of troops on the borders of hostilities during deployment, headquarters, communication nodes, but they can not work by means of air attack in force with a large range and from medium and high altitudes", - said the Agency interlocutor.
Therefore, he explained, and it was decided to equip airborne new complex on the chassis of the combat vehicle landing BMD-4M. "We know that this chassis is already adapted for the landing parachute, so SAM will also be able to parachute so," - said murakhovski.
The expert also reminded that the means of air defense formations and units of airborne troops United using a set of automation "Barnaul-T", which has no analogues in the world.

medo wrote:Pantsir is too heavy for VDV. Most probably Sosna complex placed on BMD-4M chassis.

medo wrote:Pantsir is too heavy for VDV. Most probably Sosna complex placed on BMD-4M chassis.

sepheronx wrote:Yeah, sosna not a good idea. It's altitude cannot reach modern UCAV's, so they would be sitting ducks behind enemy lines from UAV's. But the missiles from Pantsir have the altitude

medo wrote:Guys, be realistic. Neither Tor neither Pantsir could be air-droppable, because they are too heavy. Sosna is the maximum, they could get to be air-droppable. Only alternative could be SAM complex based on Igla-S or Verba missiles, which have even shorter range. This doesn't mean, that VDV could not be equipped with far more potent SAMs like Tor, Pantsir or even Buk, only they will not be air-droppable. This only mean, that Sosna will be the first in landing zone to secure area, that planes could lend there and bring heavier complexes.

medo wrote:So much reduced Pantsir doesn't give much over Sosna. It have longer range, but in this version it depends on thermal imager and TV as it doesn't have tracking radar. But it is still heavier than Sosna, because of longer heavier missiles, which need stronger elevating hydraulics and mechanism. Also, Pantsir missiles are radio guided and it need additional computers and signal processors to guide missiles, while Sosna is laser beam riding missile. Space in BMD is more compact than in BMP. Space and weight are most important factors for air-droppable systems.

TheArmenian wrote:Guys,
I strongly suggest you listen to what Medo is saying. He has served in military in air defense.

Sosna is excellent for an airdroped unit.

Gunship,
The photo of the simlified and less capable Pantsir you posted is not a BMD-4 chassis, it is a BMP-3 based chassis which is bigger.

GarryB wrote:Link to Sputnik article I was talking about...

http://sputniknews.com/russia/20160507/1039232708/russia-missiles-defense.html

The top piece has photo from rear of BMD-4 with Pantsir missiles on top, while further down the page shows SOSNA on MTLB chassis... which is known to not be air droppable... the SA-13 was not air droppable either and this is what is to be replaced.

I suspect the Pantsir BMD-4 will be the main replacement for the SA-13, while the trailer SOSNA could replace the SA-13 and ZU-23... it could be towed around the battlefield by a BTR-BDM...

TheArmenian wrote:

GarryB wrote:Link to Sputnik article I was talking about...

That is the photo of the tracked version of Pantsir that has not been adopted yet. The chassis is the GM-352. It is much larger and heavier than BMD-4 and is definitely not air-droppable.