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    Post  kvs Wed Jul 08, 2015 3:50 am

    sepheronx wrote:Good news boys/Gals:

    Russia expands list of undesirable NCOs, including Soros Foundation and Freedom House

    About time. Since the US is openly at war with Russia all US and NATO soft power assets must be eliminated from Russian soil.
    Russia also needs a law to track domestic losers who choose to go abroad to indoctrination camps and volunteers as anti-Russia
    militants. They should be barred from returning to Russia even if they are Russian citizens.
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    Post  George1 Tue Jul 21, 2015 11:52 am

    FSB thwarts smuggling of large batch of weapons from EU and Ukraine to Russia

    Four shops for the production and modernization of weapons, as well as 2 ammunition workshops have been liquidated in the special operation, the Federal Security Service report says

    MOSCOW, July 21. /TASS/. Russia’s Federal Security Service (FSB) has stopped activities of an interregional organized criminal group involved in the organization of channels of supplies of weapons from the European Union counties and Ukraine to Russia, FSB reported on Tuesday.

    The FSB Public Relations Center told TASS that "some organizers of the criminal business, including an Azerbaijani citizen with previous conviction, were detained red-handed in Smolensk in July when trying to sell another batch of weapons. Also, 14 active members of the criminal group, three of which are current police officers, were simultaneously detained in 12 regions of the country."

    To conceal criminal activity, the criminal group members used fake identity documents and car number plates. "The FSB officers seized in a special operation more than 150 firearms of foreign and Russian make — a Kalashnikov machine gun, Kalashnikov assault rifles, machine pistols, carbines, rifles (M-16, M-4, G-3) pistols (Glock, CZ, Desert Eagle, Beretta) and revolvers, including with silencers, a grenade launcher, grenades, the main parts and components for making more than 200 types weapons, more than 2,500 munitions of various calibre, more than 10 kg of explosives and detonators," the FSB reported.

    According to the report, four shops for the production and modernization of weapons, as well as 2 ammunition workshops have been liquidated in the special operation.

    The investigation departments of the FSB and Russian Interior Ministry have opened criminal cases. The weapons were taken for technical and ballistics expert examination. Opening of additional cases over "weapons smuggling" under Article 226.1 of the Russian Criminal Code is being considered. Additional special investigation activities are currently underway to establish possible involvement of the criminal group members in other serious and extremely serious crimes in the territory of Russia.
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    Post  par far Wed Jul 22, 2015 1:23 pm

    George1 wrote:FSB thwarts smuggling of large batch of weapons from EU and Ukraine to Russia

    Four shops for the production and modernization of weapons, as well as 2 ammunition workshops have been liquidated in the special operation, the Federal Security Service report says

    MOSCOW, July 21. /TASS/. Russia’s Federal Security Service (FSB) has stopped activities of an interregional organized criminal group involved in the organization of channels of supplies of weapons from the European Union counties and Ukraine to Russia, FSB reported on Tuesday.

    The FSB Public Relations Center told TASS that "some organizers of the criminal business, including an Azerbaijani citizen with previous conviction, were detained red-handed in Smolensk in July when trying to sell another batch of weapons. Also, 14 active members of the criminal group, three of which are current police officers, were simultaneously detained in 12 regions of the country."

    To conceal criminal activity, the criminal group members used fake identity documents and car number plates. "The FSB officers seized in a special operation more than 150 firearms of foreign and Russian make — a Kalashnikov machine gun, Kalashnikov assault rifles, machine pistols, carbines, rifles (M-16, M-4, G-3) pistols (Glock, CZ, Desert Eagle, Beretta) and revolvers, including with silencers, a grenade launcher, grenades, the main parts and components for making more than 200 types weapons, more than 2,500 munitions of various calibre, more than 10 kg of explosives and detonators," the FSB reported.

    According to the report, four shops for the production and modernization of weapons, as well as 2 ammunition workshops have been liquidated in the special operation.

    The investigation departments of the FSB and Russian Interior Ministry have opened criminal cases. The weapons were taken for technical and ballistics expert examination. Opening of additional cases over "weapons smuggling" under Article 226.1 of the Russian Criminal Code is being considered. Additional special investigation activities are currently underway to establish possible involvement of the criminal group members in other serious and extremely serious crimes in the territory of Russia.


    They are trying cause unrest in Russia.
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    Post  whir Wed Jul 22, 2015 1:34 pm

    par far wrote:They are trying cause unrest in Russia.
    Probably they're just trying to make some money in a country known for it's somewhat restrictive gun laws in relation to handguns.
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    Post  George1 Fri Jul 24, 2015 7:27 am

    IL-96-400VPU for FSB in the air
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    Post  franco Sun Jul 26, 2015 12:39 am

    FSB has received 21 new Mi-8's since 2010 with another 7 on order;
    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1400693.html
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    Post  Austin Sun Jul 26, 2015 8:37 am

    Looks like this Soviet guy did terrible damage

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    Post  George1 Fri Jul 31, 2015 1:00 am

    FSB Proposes International Security Efforts Ahead of 2018 FIFA World Cup

    Russia has proposed to resume the activities of a joint international working group on security, which has prevented a number of terrorist attacks during the Sochi Winter Olympics, to ensure security at the upcoming 2018 FIFA World Cup, the head of the Federal Security Service (FSB) said Thursday.

    YAROSLAVL (Sputnik) — Addressing the participants of the 14th conference of the heads of security services, Alexander Bortnikov stressed that Russia, with assistance of partners from many foreign countries, especially France, Germany, Austria, the United States and Georgia, successfully prevented a series of terrorist attacks prior and during the Sochi Winter Olympic Games.

    "Taking into account the upcoming 2018 FIFA World Cup hosted by Russia, the Russian delegation put forward a proposal at the conference to resume the activities of a joint international working group, which had operated to ensure security at the Sochi Olympics.

    Russia will host the 2018 FIFA World Cup from June 14 to July 15. The tournament will take place in 11 Russian cities, including Yekaterinburg, Kaliningrad, Nizhny Novgorod, Rostov-on-Don, Samara, Saransk, and Volgograd.

    Speaking at last week's preliminary draws, Russian President Vladimir Putin assured football fans and participants of guaranteed security and maximum comfort for the period of the games.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150730/1025229897.html#ixzz3hQTslPSK
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    Post  Austin Sun Sep 06, 2015 4:19 pm

    An interesting news along with video in the link on how US Intelligence agent change their attire and how the CCTV catches it , the video catches couple of agents changing their atire ala Fogle , seems SOP

    TV Releases Video of CIA Agents Staging a 'Cross-Dressing' Show in Moscow
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    Post  sepheronx Mon Sep 07, 2015 2:00 am

    http://tass.ru/en/russia/819108

    So the party in power in the region is putting in an inquiery to the Russian foreign ministry to investigate the ordeal of US embassy staff visiting and demanding a meeting with oppositionists.

    Hopefully Russia puts a stop to such activities as by limiting US staff at embassy and demanding rest to be sent home. An embassy with a total of 3 people, no more. And also ban Navalny and others rights to participate.
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    Post  Neutrality Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:38 am

    I wonder what would happen if any diplomat from the Russian embassy in America would meet with the same controversial people (read: trying to steer a political shitstorm in America). FBI would be already all over him and charges concerning state treason would be pushed and that's just only the start.
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    Post  flamming_python Mon Sep 07, 2015 11:40 pm

    Right from the start of this latest Navalny vid I knew what it would mean for him

    Busted! lol1

    Now he's going to join the rest of the has-been clowns with 0.1% popularity in Russia (Kasparov, Kasyanov, Yavlinsky et all), widely discredited and ridiculed due to their obvious promotion of foreign interests and general butthurt, among other things.

    This travelling circus composed of all these personalities shows up at each major protest rally in Russia, offers a dissenting opinion on every possible issue in a vain attempt to secure some political capital, and give interviews to American TV show hosts blasting Putin as a dictator, etc...
    They are also added to with each failed US trumpted-up, hyped-up 'opposition leader' project in Russia.

    Navalny, welcome to the club*.
    He can at least console himself with the fact that he had it going good there for a while, in fact he was probably the most successful project yet.

    * = actually, he's de-facto been part of the club and a has-been for a while now; his popularity peaked in the late 2012 protests; since then his profile has been steadily declining. By 2014 or so he was no longer a significant force and one quite unlikely to make a come-back. However, now, this status is solidified for good - once you're caught in a meeting with US diplomats, ostensibly discussing tactics for regime-change in your own country; that's it - you're out of the game.
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    Post  ExBeobachter1987 Sat Sep 26, 2015 2:48 pm

    AFP wrote:Russia's security service said Saturday it exchanged Estonian officer Eston Kohver, convicted for espionage, for an imprisoned Russian spy, in a cross-border bridge swap with its Baltic neighbour.
    Kohver, who was sentenced in August to 15 years in jail on espionage and other charges, was exchanged for Aleksei Dressen, a former Estonian security official serving a 16 year sentence for spying for Moscow, the FSB security service said.

    "On September 26, Estonian special service officer Eston Kohver, who was convicted in Russia for espionage, was exchanged for Aleksei Dressen, a former officer of Estonia's security police, who has been serving a sentence for giving secret data to the Russian FSB," said a statement carried by Russian news agencies.
    The swap took place on a bridge over the Piusa River that separates Russia's western Pskov region and Estonia's Polva county.

    Kohver's defence lawyer Mark Feigin said the swap was "organised on the political level" and was timed to boost Russia's image ahead of President Vladimir Putin's speech at the United Nations on Monday.
    "It's all happening ahead of Putin's visit to the UN tomorrow. There are no other reasons," Feigin wrote on Twitter.

    Dressen was convicted in 2012 together with his wife Victoria, who was given a suspended sentence. He was found guilty of treason for funnelling classified information to Russia for years after Estonia's 1991 independence.
    Kohver's conviction on August 19 drew ire from EU and US after Tallinn said he was kidnapped at gunpoint from Estonian territory, with Washington saying Moscow should immediately return him to Estonia.

    The scandal was the latest in a series of spy cases involving Russia and the Baltic states, former Soviet republics turned NATO and EU members increasingly wary of Russia's intentions following the annexation of Crimea from Ukraine in 2014. Russia's relations with the West have hit their lowest point since the Cold War over the conflict in Ukraine, leading to a spike in spying claims.

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    Post  max steel Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:13 pm

    Nice Read lol1 respekt


    How to explain the KGB’s amazing success identifying CIA agents in the field?


    Russia and China are using hacked data to target U.S. spies,officials say

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    Post  Kyo Thu Oct 22, 2015 10:52 am

    Putin Orders Changes in Russia's National Security Strategy

    The amended version of Russia's National Security Strategy will prevent the country from being closed off from the rest of the world and envisages a proactive foreign policy.

    Russian President Vladimir Putin has decided to make changes in the country’s National Security Strategy, the Russian Security Council’s press service announced Thursday.

    “The Russian president has decided to make changes in the National Security Strategy to provide for the succession of state policy in regard to national security, as well as the system of national interests and strategic national priorities,” the press service said.

    The amended version of Russia's National Security Strategy shall prevent the country from being closed off from the rest of the world and envisages a proactive foreign policy, the Security Council said.

    Last May, Security Council Secretary Nikolai Patrushev said the country's National Security Strategy and Information Security Doctrine would be modified to reflect recent trends in the geopolitical situation. "In order to bring the fundamental principles of Russia's national security up to date, we have started work on the revision of key documents on strategic planning — the national security strategy until 2020 and the doctrine on information security," he said.
    The amended version of the National Security Strategy should be returned to Putin for review by the end of 2015.



    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20151022/1028916997/putin-russia-national-security-strategy.html#ixzz3pIDcGN7k
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    Post  George1 Wed Oct 28, 2015 2:15 pm

    Taliban siding with IS intensifies threat of their invasion of Central Asia — FSB

    "The escalation of tension in Afghanistan causes serious concern. Numerous IS gangs that are part of the Taliban movement are currently concentrated on the northern borders of that country. Some of them have joined the Islamic State ranks, which has dramatically intensified the threat of the terrorists’ invasion of Central Asia," said the FSB chief. wrote:
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    Post  George1 Tue Nov 03, 2015 8:49 am


    FSB detains distributors of 350 kilos of synthetic drugs in Moscow

    The crime group members used extraordinary conspiracy measures, sucg as the non-disclosure of places of residence, the use of secret means of communication and the absence of face-to-face meetings

    MOSCOW, November 3. /TASS/. Russia’s Federal Security Service (FSB) has conducted a multi-stage operation to curb the activities of an inter-regional organized crime group whose members specialized in the illicit trafficking of narcotic drugs and psychotropic substances, the FSB Public Relations Center told TASS.

    At the initial stage FSB officers received information that drug marketing had been organized in Moscow via the Internet, with large quantities of narcotic drugs of synthetic origin sold through various online stores. The persons who controlled the channeling of drugs to the Moscow region were identified, their roles were determined and the marketing scheme used by them was revealed.

    "Referring to the characteristic features of the crime group’s activities, it should be noted that its members used extraordinary conspiracy measures, that is, the non-disclosure of places of residence, the use of secret means of communication and the absence of face-to-face meetings. Rank-and-file employees did not know each other personally using false names during meetings. The narcotic drugs were handed over only through hideouts, even among the group members. The storage places were carefully concealed," the FSB noted.

    "During the final stage of the operation after the formation of the necessary evidence base a number of investigative operations were conducted to curb the criminal activities by detaining the defendants red-handed. Criminal proceedings have been launched against four people, at least 350 kilograms of synthetic drugs have been discovered and seized. The FSB Investigative Department has opened several criminal cases under part 3 Article 30 and Part 5 Article 228.1 of Russia’s Criminal Code," the FSB said.
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    Post  George1 Thu Nov 05, 2015 1:47 am

    Russian Defense Ministry: GRU is a unique special service

    The military structure today performs all known types of intelligence and direction. The successful solution of the tasks provided by the high professionalism of the personnel.

    MOSCOW, November 5 - RIA Novosti. Main Intelligence Directorate (GRU) of the General Staff of the Armed Forces is the only intelligence agency in the world, having in its structure all currently known types and areas of intelligence, according to the Ministry of Defense Day military intelligence.

    "Today, the GRU of the General Staff is virtually the only intelligence agency in the world, having in its structure all currently known types and directions of exploration, and the successful resolution of the tasks provided in the first place, high professionalism of intelligence" - said in a statement.

    As specified in the military, military intelligence is composed of operational and technical units, as well as information and analysis, and providing structure. They are equipped with modern facilities based on the latest advances in information, telecommunications, space technology, and innovation.

    "Military intelligence as an element of national security produces, analyzes and summarizes information on the military-political situation that is emerging around Russia, predicts its development, timely reports to the highest political leadership of the Russian Federation and the command of its armed forces on the real and potential threats to national interests and security country ", - noted in the Ministry of Defense.

    For courage and heroism in the performance of specific tasks to ensure national security of the country, more than 700 military intelligence was awarded the title of Hero of the Soviet Union and Hero of the Russian Federation. Victory Banner over the Reichstag prostrate hoisted as military intelligence officers - Sergeant Yegorov and Junior Sergeant Kantariya.

    Day military intelligence set November 5 Presidential Decree of 31 May 2006.
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    Post  Project Canada Fri Nov 06, 2015 9:41 pm

    I dont know where to post this story but I guess it has a place here in the intelligence thread. its about western sabotage teams entering Russia in an attempt to ferment separatist sentiments in Russia's regions. in this article, it mentions Siberia and western plans to dismember it from the rest of Russia.



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    Russia does not shares
    That's the story I heard the other day from professor msu leonid golovko. At the beginning of 2006, arrived in Moscow, the delegation of lawyers, one of the most developed countries in Western Europe - to familiarize themselves with our judicial system. It was part of a scientist with the world's name, and in their own country - even man authoritative. Leonid Golovko, too, by the way, the expert of the international level, invited - colleague, home for dinner.
    And at the time of the meal that suddenly asked:
    - as far as Siberian and far eastern Russians are different from you, Moscow?
    Professor issue was surprised, but replied:
    - nothing, in fact, the same - Russians, like all the rest. But asked why the alien's suddenly interested in this issue.
    And then it turns out that the previous day in the mother tongue of the embassy was followed by a reception, to which the members of the delegation heard politinformatsiyu. The head of the dippredstavitelʹstva expressed his main idea, about which we should not forget: Russia must enter in their historical borders.
    - with Ukraine, or what? - didn't understand our professor thoughts a European.
    But it turns out that Russia must be not only without Ukraine but and only to the urals. Siberia and the far east must move in general use under the external management. It's a done deal, the plan is being implemented. A foreign guest told me about this budnichno, it's like to refine the recipe of Russian dumplings.
    At that time, Leonid Golovko, and so am I, like many of us so far, was of the view that the civilized west done takes into account the interests of all, and not only their. And his, the west, concerned about injustice, which happened with Russia, - after the collapse of the USSR, we have been without the territories, which have always belonged to us.
    More precisely, our professor, as the man's a smart, may be, by that time, has already started to doubt. Because I'm used to work with the information to compare the various facts and build the causal connection. But I didn't expect that of an impending aggression can speak directly and pretty loud. I mean, when such speech fall in razvedsvodki and radioperekhvaty, it's still in there-here - dirty and filthy goals are discussed in secret.
    Besides, we're sure you don't know what's out there, in these razvedsvodkakh. Our Liberals, for example, they think that the state department's teaching her Russian Ambassador, as would be a little more to do good deeds for the host country. Subbotnik to organize for the cleaning of the territory in krasnopresnenskom park. Or, for example, feed several Moscow bums.
    And then it turns out that we have gathered to share. Yes even when we were friends, met regularly to "Eights" and pressed each other's hands. Peace - Peace, war - terror. The Americans and the Russians - hai-hai. Putin has deep in the eye of the visible to the soul.
    At the same time until all European ambassadors brought a secret plan to behave appropriately in the period of preparation. Human rights defenders have been ordered to strengthen the fight for human rights within the country. In Georgia, saakashvili receives assignment, Ukraine podrashchivayut young banderovskuyu shift.
    Now, after south ossetia and the Crimea, plans had to be adjusted. But not the goal, of course.
    The idea of Madeleine Albright on Siberia, which inadvertently belongs to Russia, although should belong to the us, all of a sudden for me materialized. If she didn't even say those words out loud, then clearly thought so. The rest of the United States and European partners think so far.
    It's funny that and in Georgia, Ukraine, and there's still the audience, which I'm sure that their country is for the us some kind of absolute value, for the sake of which nato will go to war with nuclear power. No, no, no, guys, all on the contrary: to go to war with Russia, weaken its and erode the should you - instead of valuable nato soldiers. First of all, for Siberia with its oil, which desperately need the Americans.
    However, in Georgia, I guess, such naive aren't any left. Turn Prozrevatʹ - for ukrainians.
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    Around the same time, when a foreign professor had dinner at the Moscow, William Engdalʹ published work "Rozhdayushchiysya Pound Giant strategically playing its cards". In her Siberia named "a big prize". Very curious, in my opinion.

    http://radonezh.ru/monitoring/uilyam-engdal-rozhdayuschysya-rossysky-gigant-strategicheski-razygryvaet-svoi-karty-inosmi-22071.html



    sorry for the poor translation, here is the original Russian texts

    https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=859258330860455&id=100003288896157

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    Post  sepheronx Fri Nov 06, 2015 9:46 pm

    Well, good luck to them.  But Siberia is 95% Russian ethnicity with the other 5% being mixed of various types.  And it was quite evident of recent elections on how the parties that are quite anti Russian had so low votes that they were nobodies at all.

    It is funny.  They have this idea that separatism is fermented in Siberia or far east, but it really isn't.  There was a total of 1 guy from Novosibirsk who pushed that idea and he is in jail for fraud.

    Outside of all of this, any westerner that thinks they can push such an Idea needs to have a real hard look at reality on the ground, and that was recently seen in the elections as I said.  And also the fact that there are more people in Texas with secessionist mentality than all of Siberia.

    Edit: The guys at the FSB headquarters are probably laughing their asses off. The Americans make no secret of their en devour, which makes FSB's job so much easier. Americans talk too much.


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    Post  Werewolf Fri Nov 06, 2015 10:05 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Well, good luck to them.  But Siberia is 95% Russian ethnicity with the other 5% being mixed of various types.  And it was quite evident of recent elections on how the parties that are quite anti Russian had so low votes that they were nobodies at all.

    It is funny.  They have this idea that separatism is fermented in Siberia or far east, but it really isn't.  There was a total of 1 guy from Novosibirsk who pushed that idea and he is in jail for fraud.

    Outside of all of this, any westerner that thinks they can push such an Idea needs to have a real hard look at reality on the ground, and that was recently seen in the elections as I said.  And also the fact that there are more people in Texas with secessionist mentality than all of Siberia.

    Edit: The guys at the FSB headquarters are probably laughing their asses off.  The Americans make no secret of their en devour, which makes FSB's job so much easier.  Americans talk too much.

    Ukraine is over 90% russian aswell, do not underestimate propaganda. Russia has to long ignored all american anti-russian and anti-slavic massive propaganda.
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    Post  sepheronx Fri Nov 06, 2015 10:06 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Well, good luck to them.  But Siberia is 95% Russian ethnicity with the other 5% being mixed of various types.  And it was quite evident of recent elections on how the parties that are quite anti Russian had so low votes that they were nobodies at all.

    It is funny.  They have this idea that separatism is fermented in Siberia or far east, but it really isn't.  There was a total of 1 guy from Novosibirsk who pushed that idea and he is in jail for fraud.

    Outside of all of this, any westerner that thinks they can push such an Idea needs to have a real hard look at reality on the ground, and that was recently seen in the elections as I said.  And also the fact that there are more people in Texas with secessionist mentality than all of Siberia.

    Edit: The guys at the FSB headquarters are probably laughing their asses off.  The Americans make no secret of their en devour, which makes FSB's job so much easier.  Americans talk too much.

    Ukraine is over 90% russian aswell, do not underestimate propaganda. Russia has to long ignored all american anti-russian and anti-slavic massive propaganda.

    Difference between Russian speaking vs Russian ethnic.  And I highly doubt those numbers as you stated, so I would require evidence. A massive portion of Ukraine are Polish descendants and that is thanks to the fact that half the nation was under Polish rule for hundreds of years. And well, they are apparently massive migrants to other regions of Ukraine. hence why so many were brought from Lviv to Kiev to protest. The rest of the Ukrainians are people that simply rather stay quiet and hope they wont be affected.

    Like I said, go look at what the results are of the votes in Siberian regions were in votes.  You will find out how pathetic the 5th column was received.


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    Post  Werewolf Fri Nov 06, 2015 10:10 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
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    sepheronx wrote:Well, good luck to them.  But Siberia is 95% Russian ethnicity with the other 5% being mixed of various types.  And it was quite evident of recent elections on how the parties that are quite anti Russian had so low votes that they were nobodies at all.

    It is funny.  They have this idea that separatism is fermented in Siberia or far east, but it really isn't.  There was a total of 1 guy from Novosibirsk who pushed that idea and he is in jail for fraud.

    Outside of all of this, any westerner that thinks they can push such an Idea needs to have a real hard look at reality on the ground, and that was recently seen in the elections as I said.  And also the fact that there are more people in Texas with secessionist mentality than all of Siberia.

    Edit: The guys at the FSB headquarters are probably laughing their asses off.  The Americans make no secret of their en devour, which makes FSB's job so much easier.  Americans talk too much.

    Ukraine is over 90% russian aswell, do not underestimate propaganda. Russia has to long ignored all american anti-russian and anti-slavic massive propaganda.

    Difference between Russian speaking vs Russian ethnic.  And I highly doubt those numbers as you stated, so I would require evidence.

    Like I said, go look at what the results are of the votes in Siberian regions were in votes.  You will find out how pathetic the 5th column was received.

    You do understand that ukrainians are russians by ethnicity? You are a russian yourself you said and you should know little bit about that.
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    Post  sepheronx Fri Nov 06, 2015 10:12 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Well, good luck to them.  But Siberia is 95% Russian ethnicity with the other 5% being mixed of various types.  And it was quite evident of recent elections on how the parties that are quite anti Russian had so low votes that they were nobodies at all.

    It is funny.  They have this idea that separatism is fermented in Siberia or far east, but it really isn't.  There was a total of 1 guy from Novosibirsk who pushed that idea and he is in jail for fraud.

    Outside of all of this, any westerner that thinks they can push such an Idea needs to have a real hard look at reality on the ground, and that was recently seen in the elections as I said.  And also the fact that there are more people in Texas with secessionist mentality than all of Siberia.

    Edit: The guys at the FSB headquarters are probably laughing their asses off.  The Americans make no secret of their en devour, which makes FSB's job so much easier.  Americans talk too much.

    Ukraine is over 90% russian aswell, do not underestimate propaganda. Russia has to long ignored all american anti-russian and anti-slavic massive propaganda.

    Difference between Russian speaking vs Russian ethnic.  And I highly doubt those numbers as you stated, so I would require evidence.

    Like I said, go look at what the results are of the votes in Siberian regions were in votes.  You will find out how pathetic the 5th column was received.

    You do understand that ukrainians are russians by ethnicity? You are a russian yourself you said and you should know little bit about that.

    No they are not really.  Like I mentioned above in my edit, a massive portion are Polish descendants and or from others (Germanic as well).  You can thank both Polish-Lithuanian empire and the Austro-Hungarian empire and their social construct programs.  So this dates back much longer than American. Huge portion of my family are from Lviv and also that same portion are Polish ethnics. Even Austrians in others. Have you noticed how many other groups are in Ukraine? Romanian and such.

    Too much breeding from other ethnic groups. At one point it was majority Russian. That was long time ago. The Russians that were still in Ukraine became Migrants and openly gave away their territory.

    Like I said, if you think I am wrong about Siberia part, please go look it up regarding the recent elections and about actual ethnicity (Maybe the Ukrainians in Siberia would cause trouble. But they are very small population and probably people who fled Ukraine recently).
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    Post  Werewolf Fri Nov 06, 2015 10:15 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Well, good luck to them.  But Siberia is 95% Russian ethnicity with the other 5% being mixed of various types.  And it was quite evident of recent elections on how the parties that are quite anti Russian had so low votes that they were nobodies at all.

    It is funny.  They have this idea that separatism is fermented in Siberia or far east, but it really isn't.  There was a total of 1 guy from Novosibirsk who pushed that idea and he is in jail for fraud.

    Outside of all of this, any westerner that thinks they can push such an Idea needs to have a real hard look at reality on the ground, and that was recently seen in the elections as I said.  And also the fact that there are more people in Texas with secessionist mentality than all of Siberia.

    Edit: The guys at the FSB headquarters are probably laughing their asses off.  The Americans make no secret of their en devour, which makes FSB's job so much easier.  Americans talk too much.

    Ukraine is over 90% russian aswell, do not underestimate propaganda. Russia has to long ignored all american anti-russian and anti-slavic massive propaganda.

    Difference between Russian speaking vs Russian ethnic.  And I highly doubt those numbers as you stated, so I would require evidence.

    Like I said, go look at what the results are of the votes in Siberian regions were in votes.  You will find out how pathetic the 5th column was received.

    You do understand that ukrainians are russians by ethnicity? You are a russian yourself you said and you should know little bit about that.

    No they are not really.  Like I mentioned above in my edit, a massive portion are Polish descendants and or from others (Germanic as well).  You can thank both Polish-Lithuanian empire and the Austro-Hungarian empire and their social construct programs.  So this dates back much longer than American.

    Only some part of them the vast majority are entirely russian by ethnicity, lingual, cultural, mindset and genetics absolute russian through and through. Poles and the mish-mash in very slim western ukraine are the little exception, but they are not different either except fucked up in the head from US propaganda.


    I never said anything about you being right or wrong on Siberia and the mindset of the people there, i just said do never understimate enemies efforts in propaganda to break away the richest country on earth to their benefit. Fact is russia did absolutley nothing against the US sponsored and highly capable and toxic anti-slavic propaganda that have brought up so many brothers against their own kind. If the US does it for at least 25 years (one generation) they can already make a significant shift, any coming generation will be affected to a higher degree of this anti-russian propaganda. When this propaganda stays unchallanged by the 3rd generation 75years at most it will have come to frution without any capability to undo this in short time, you will need another 75 years at least to shift this to normal, but by that time they have seperated such propaganda won't work in your favor anymore. Do never underestimate propaganda, the West does not give a crap about 2-4 years period they always aim at least 1 or 2 generations but you seem to care only for NOW.

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