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    Post  d_taddei2 Sat May 04, 2024 2:15 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:TL:DR: What will happen after the Russians capture Chasov Yar?

    Liberating Donetsk, Lugansk, are main objective number 1. Number 2 will be Kharkiv, Kherson, Zaporozhye. Number 3, Nikolaev, Odessa, link up with Transnistria and Gaugazhia, Number 4 Sumy and chernihiv, Number 5 Dnipro and Poltava, number 6 will be anything else Russia see fit for taking. The big question is in what order this will happen. Only thing that's certain is Donbass will be taken, and obviously Kherson Zaporozhye needs to be taken before Nikolaev and Odessa can be taken. I think another certainty will be Kharkiv, Zaporozhye(nuclear power plant needs to be safe from danger) and Odessa (cutting access to Black sea, and link up to Transnistria and Gaugazhia is key) I think Russia sees these as key objectives. But this is my opinion others will have their own.

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    Post  franco Sat May 04, 2024 2:42 pm

    Summary of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of the special military operation (for the period from April 28 to May 4, 2024)

    From April 28 to May 4 this year, in response to attempts by the Kiev regime to damage Russian energy and industry facilities, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation carried out 25 group strikes with precision weapons and unmanned aerial vehicles, as a result of which the following were hit: energy and transport infrastructure facilities of Ukraine, enterprises of the military-industrial complex, storage sites missiles and ammunition, as well as workshops for the production of unmanned boats and unmanned aerial vehicles.

    The points of temporary deployment of units of nationalist formations and foreign mercenaries, accumulations of manpower and military equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were also affected.

    During the week, units of the "Western" grouping of troops occupied more advantageous lines, and also defeated formations of twelve enemy brigades in the areas of the settlements of Stelmakhovka, Novoegorovka of the Luhansk People's Republic, Petropavlovsk, Glushkovka, Sinkovka of the Kharkiv region and Torskoye of the Donetsk People's Republic.

    23 counterattacks of the assault groups of the 77th airmobile, 3rd assault, 63rd mechanized brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the 10th and 18th brigades of the National Guard were reflected in the areas of the settlements of Chervonaya Dibrova, Novovodyanoye of the Luhansk People's Republic, Grigorovka and Terny of the Donetsk People's Republic.

    The enemy's losses amounted to 975 soldiers, a tank, three armored combat vehicles, 28 vehicles, two MLRS Grad combat vehicles and 27 field artillery guns, including 13 Western-made guns.

    The units of the "Southern" group of troops continued to actively advance into the depth of the enemy's defense during the week.

    They defeated the manpower and equipment of two airmobile, three assault and nine mechanized brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the areas of the settlements of Disputable, Andreevka, Maksimilianovka, Paraskovievka, Belogorovka, Kleshcheyevka and Kurdyumovka of the Donetsk People's Republic.

    Four counterattacks of the assault groups of the 46th airmobile, 79th, 80th airborne assault and 93rd mechanized brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were reflected in the areas of the settlements of Bogdanovka, Georgievka, Krasnogorovka and Chas Yar of the Donetsk People's Republic.

    The enemy lost over 2,325 troops, seven tanks, 10 armored combat vehicles, including four M113 armored personnel carriers manufactured by the United States, 44 vehicles and 20 field artillery guns. Five electronic warfare stations were also destroyed: Nota, Enclave, Bukovel-AD, a US-made AN/TPQ-36 counter-battery warfare station and four field ammunition depots.

    As a result of successful actions, units of the Center group of troops improved the situation along the front line and liberated the settlements of Novobakhmutovka, Semenovka and Berdych of the Donetsk People's Republic.

    They defeated formations of 14 brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and repelled 66 enemy counterattacks in the areas of the settlements of Leninskoye, Umanskoye, Novgorodskoye, Novokalinovo, Ocheretino and Netailovo of the Donetsk People's Republic.

    During the week, the Ukrainian Armed Forces lost more than 2,405 servicemen in this area, three tanks, including Abrams made in the USA, 20 armored combat vehicles, including four Bradley infantry fighting vehicles made in the USA, 27 vehicles, 33 field artillery guns, of which 14 were made in the West.

    Units of the Vostok group of forces, having improved their tactical position, defeated formations of the 58th motorized Infantry, 72nd mechanized brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, 102nd and 128th air defense brigades in the areas of the settlements of Chervonoye, Gulyai-Pole, Zaporizhia region, Ugledar, Urozhodnoye and Staromayorskoye of the Donetsk People's Republic.

    The enemy's losses amounted to 745 soldiers, 15 vehicles, 15 field artillery guns, two electronic warfare stations "Enclave" and "Bukovel-AD", as well as a field ammunition depot.

    During the week, units of the Dnepr group of troops defeated the manpower and equipment of four brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, a marine brigade, three brigades of the defense forces and a brigade of the National Guard in the areas of the settlements of Malaya Tokmachka, Rabodino, Novoandreevka, Shcherbaki of the Zaporozhye region, Mikhaylovka, Ivanovka, Tyaginka and Berislav of the Kherson region.

    The enemy lost up to 215 soldiers, nine vehicles and six field artillery pieces.

    During the week, missile forces, artillery and unmanned aerial vehicles of groups of troops of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation destroyed two combat vehicles of the HIMARS multiple launch rocket system manufactured by the United States, two launchers of the S-300PT anti-aircraft missile system with illumination and guidance radar, an IRIS-T anti-aircraft missile system launcher manufactured by Germany, as well as a fuel warehouse for military equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

    In addition, a military echelon with Western-made equipment and weapons supplied to Ukraine by NATO countries was hit.

    Aviation and air defense systems shot down 15 ATACMS tactical missiles manufactured in the United States, 17 guided Hammer bombs manufactured in France, six GLSDB, HIMARS and Uragan rockets, as well as 201 unmanned aerial vehicles.

    During the week, 14 Ukrainian servicemen surrendered on the line of contact.

    In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, 593 aircraft, 270 helicopters, 23742 unmanned aerial vehicles, 512 anti-aircraft missile systems, 15911 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 1279 multiple rocket launchers, 9289 field artillery and mortars, as well as 21471 units of special military vehicles have been destroyed.

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    Post  JohninMK Sat May 04, 2024 3:02 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:TL:DR: What will happen after the Russians capture Chasov Yar?

    The way to Kramatorsk should then be open, but it's possible that Russia will just move on Kharkov

    It may be open but Russia will probably continue with their current strategy, slow moves with maximum Ukie deaths.

    Any move that could 'PR scare' NATO into doing something stupid will likely be avoided. Softly, softly catchee monkee, as the old saying goes.

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    Post  Hole Sat May 04, 2024 4:26 pm

    The only thing missing for a complete collection is the F-16.
    Paticence.  Very Happy
    On the other hand it will be difficult to put a downed plane together again.
    Maybe some special forces unit will have to raid an airfield to get hold of one.  lol1

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    Post  ALAMO Sat May 04, 2024 4:29 pm

    They can aways ask Maduro to share in exchange for Jak-130. He will be surely interested Laughing

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    Post  Mir Sat May 04, 2024 4:47 pm

    Hole wrote:
    The only thing missing for a complete collection is the F-16.
    Paticence.  Very Happy
    On the other hand it will be difficult to put a downed plane together again.
    Maybe some special forces unit will have to raid an airfield to get hold of one.  lol1

    I would not be surprised to see a couple of defectors - esp if they see their fellow comrades going down in flames.

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    Post  JohninMK Sat May 04, 2024 4:58 pm

    Bit of a problem Very Happy

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sat May 04, 2024 6:02 pm

    Mir wrote:
    Hole wrote:
    The only thing missing for a complete collection is the F-16.
    Paticence.  Very Happy
    On the other hand it will be difficult to put a downed plane together again.
    Maybe some special forces unit will have to raid an airfield to get hold of one.  lol1

    I would not be surprised to see a couple of defectors - esp if they see their fellow comrades going down in flames.

    Any f-16's will only be trusted to the most loyal and die hard pilots, 99 percent chance of this not happening

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    Post  Mir Sat May 04, 2024 6:22 pm

    @Seig Heil

    "Die hard" is a very apt description I must say Laughing

    If you know you're booked on a one way ticket to hell some of them might just reconsider the choice between LIFE and CERTAIN DEATH.

    If you like to be a dead "hero" then so be it - but living the life with your loved ones and friends doesn't sound too bad after all. Wink

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    Post  nomadski Sat May 04, 2024 7:26 pm



    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/ai-powered-fighter-jet-kept-up-with-a-human-pilot-during-the-air-force-s-historic-experimental-dogfight/ar-AA1o7x6Z



    Maybe they send AI pilot from airfields in Poland ! Then these Robots get captured and put in bamboo cage in water like Macain and get brain damaged and bitter !

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sat May 04, 2024 7:28 pm

    Oh these silly comments are funny. Personal attacks and emotional retorts, really the best you got?. Comedy show honestly

    First off they will not just be able to get into the aircraft and take off whenever they want, they will not have communication with russian commanders, AD will blow the dam thing out of the sky the second it gets close enough, second pilot selection is not like a tank its a much more through and complicated scope out process.

    There is virtually no chance any of the F16 pilots will be landing in russian airfields period.

    There is also a dozen more reasons why this will not happen, if you looked at the situation logically rather then through your rose tinted glasses you'd know that

    Defections amount aircraft pilots even when the situation is hopeless is extremely rare and thats just for any aircraft now add in the whole f-16 part and not just anyone will be allowed to fly them.

    Yeah it's technically in the sense possible hence why I said 99 out of 100.

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    Post  PapaDragon Sat May 04, 2024 8:14 pm

    VARGR198 wrote:

    That french cannon-buggy is in absolutely mint condition

    They could have easily just sent it back to service if it weren't such complete dogshit

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    Post  Mir Sat May 04, 2024 8:26 pm

    SeigHeil wrote:
    There is virtually no chance any of the F16 pilots will be landing in russian airfields period.

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    Post  Isos Sat May 04, 2024 8:48 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:

    That french cannon-buggy is in absolutely mint condition

    They could have easily just sent it back to service if it weren't such complete dogshit


    It was very good for its time... could deal with MBTs and do recco or ambushes.

    However, with drones around, no armor and big ammo inside it would be total suicide to stay in such vehicle on the front. One hit in the ammo and goes to the moon.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Sat May 04, 2024 8:56 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Oh these silly comments are funny. Personal attacks and emotional retorts, really the best you got?. Comedy show honestly

    First off they will not just be able to get into the aircraft and take off whenever they want, they will not have communication with russian commanders, AD will blow the dam thing out of the sky the second it gets close enough, second pilot selection is not like a tank its a much more through and complicated scope out process.

    There is virtually no chance any of the F16 pilots will be landing in russian airfields period.

    There is also a dozen more reasons why this will not happen, if you looked at the situation logically rather then through your rose tinted glasses you'd know that

    Defections amount aircraft pilots even when the situation is hopeless is extremely rare and thats just for any aircraft now add in the whole f-16 part and not just anyone will be allowed to fly them.

    Yeah it's technically in the sense possible hence why I said 99 out of 100.

    I hate to agree with you on this, but yeah there won't be F-16s landing in one piece on Russian air fields because as you said, those that are piloted by inexperienced Ukrainian crews taking off from poorly maintained and bombed out Ukrainian airfields will have a very short shelf life.  If Russian military aviation isn't cratering all paved Ukrainian military and civilian airports and air forces a general or four need to be dismissed.  

    Second, I strongly suspect that a lot of F-16 Pilots will take off from air fields in NATO territories.  The crocodile tears and "moral outrage" that Russia attacked the air bases they took off from and the demands for boots on the ground due to Article V are ready made.

    Third, the Ukes are being given less than 50 F-16s.  Knock down 5 to 10 and the rest are withdrawn because damn a broken Seanpennwaffe is very bad for the MIC  


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    Post  ALAMO Sat May 04, 2024 9:25 pm

    The strongest bias is an opinion, that they have a pool of pilots to pitch the cherries.
    One must been blown away from reality by a mile.
    But hey, it is a SS - in a better days and more brilliant alter ego, he is capable to flush a toilet, al; by his own!
    Hurray, let us all wave a flag of respect to the handicaped!

    They have lost all of trained & skilled pilots a while ago.
    An interim solution was to remobilize folks well into 60s.
    Some of the obituaries of "sokoly" were calling folks closing 70 Shocked
    They will pick every single one who has two legs, and two arms, and saw a plane once.
    Soon, it will be some fukin' paraglider presented as an ace.

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    Post  Broski Sat May 04, 2024 9:51 pm

    ucmvulcan wrote:Second, I strongly suspect that a lot of F-16 Pilots will take off from air fields in NATO territories.  The crocodile tears and "moral outrage" that Russia attacked the air bases they took off from and the demands for boots on the ground due to Article V are ready made.
    Gotta laugh at all this talk of Article 5 and NATO coming together as one to attack Russia. If they had the balls to do it they would've done so a long, long time ago, but even the most deluded, mentally ill psychopaths in Washington, London or Brussels aren't suicidal. None of these people believe a word of what they say about their strength or Russia's weakness otherwise they'd be on the frontlines fighting Russia themselves instead of using one hapless proxy (Ukraine) after another (Georgia) after another (Chechnya) after another (Afghan Mujahideen) after another (Third Reich).

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    Post  Hole Sat May 04, 2024 11:00 pm

    A second for some unsung heros of any war:
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    Dudes in a field bakery preparing Easter cakes.

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    I hope he used Vodka for the blessing.  lol1

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    Post  ucmvulcan Sat May 04, 2024 11:04 pm

    Broski wrote:
    ucmvulcan wrote:Second, I strongly suspect that a lot of F-16 Pilots will take off from air fields in NATO territories.  The crocodile tears and "moral outrage" that Russia attacked the air bases they took off from and the demands for boots on the ground due to Article V are ready made.
    Gotta laugh at all this talk of Article 5 and NATO coming together as one to attack Russia. If they had the balls to do it they would've done so a long, long time ago, but even the most deluded, mentally ill psychopaths in Washington, London or Brussels aren't suicidal. None of these people believe a word of what they say about their strength or Russia's weakness otherwise they'd be on the frontlines fighting Russia themselves instead of using one hapless proxy (Ukraine) after another (Georgia) after another (Chechnya) after another (Afghan Mujahideen) after another (Third Reich).

    I mostly agree with you. Lets face it, if this thing was about defending Ukrainian "democracy" and saving lives, they would have accepted Putin's very generous peace in April 2022 and the continent would be settling into a very shaky peace. No, this thing is all about the benjamins. The MIC oligarchs and the politicians they buy with kickbacks are making bank off the blood money (overwhelmingly Ukrainian) generated from what is by and large a civil war.

    What scares me is that greed can cloud the mind. Considering how foggy Joe the Bidet's mind is, I could see him stumbling into wwiii.

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    Post  JohninMK Sat May 04, 2024 11:23 pm

    Yet another US development that they either didn't see an actual threat for or it didn't generate enough profit (likely given the comment from SARA below).

    US to transfer modified JDAM bombs to Ukraine - The War Zone

    The Pentagon has signed a $23.5m contract with SARA to buy sensors for detecting electronic jamming and install them on JDAM-ERs. Some of the kits, along with the bombs, are expected to be delivered to Kiev.

    The contract amounted to $23.5 million. Under the terms of the contract, at least part of the kits will go to Ukraine. The quantity of ammunition and the terms of its delivery were not disclosed.


    http://t.me/ukraine_watch

    The Warzone comment

    The U.S. Air Force is buying add-on seekers designed to give Joint Direct Attack Munition-Extended Range (JDAM-ER) precision-guided bombs supplied to Ukraine the ability to zero in on GPS jammers. In effect, this would turn one of the weapons most impacted by this countermeasure into one used to directly attack it. This follows growing reports that Russian jamming is severely degrading the effectiveness of Western-supplied GPS-guided munitions, including JDAM-ERs.

    The Pentagon announced today that the U.S. Air Force Life Cycle Management Center (AFLCMC) had awarded Cypress, California-headquartered Scientific Applications and Research Associates Inc. a contract valued at $23,554,341 for "the acquisition of Home-on GPS Jam seekers" and the "integration of the extended range seekers into existing Joint Direct Attack Munition wing kits."

    "This contract involves Foreign Military Sales to Ukraine," the Pentagon's announcement also noted.

    .................................................

    Details about the seeker system itself are limited, but Scientific Applications and Research Associates Inc. (SARA) has been developing capabilities like this for integration onto various precision-guided munitions for years now.

    "Should an enemy strive to complicate the battlefield by stray or competitive RF energy, SARA’s HOJ subsystems can enable a host guided bomb or missile to engage it as the system or operator might prefer," according to a brochure the company put out circa 2018. "HOJ is compact and 1/10th the production cost of prior-generation systems. HOJ uses solid state components and a common munition interface which provides rapid, low-cost integration."


    A commenter there

    No one remembers HOG-J?

    "On the precision-guided munition side, the US Air Force Research Laboratory at Eglin Air Force Base, Florida, is studying a kind of seeker that directs bombs to detect and destroy GPS jammers, called home-on-GPS jam, or HOG-J.

    Last year, the lab awarded Scientific Applications & Research Associates of Cypress, California, a $9.8 million contract to integrate the seeker into the JDAM and Small Diameter Bomb Increment I (SDB-I) weapons and demonstrate it in flight tests. The work, at White Sands Missile Range, New Mexico, is expected to be completed by late 2016."

    See:

    https://www.defensenews.com/air/2015/05/31/guided-bomb-makers-anticipate-gps-jammers/

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    Post  sepheronx Sat May 04, 2024 11:25 pm

    Home on jamming is like 60's tech. Soviets had it and so did US.  Home on jamming GPS is just similar concept.

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    Post  ALAMO Sat May 04, 2024 11:30 pm

    Hole wrote:A second for some unsung heros of any war:

    When I was in Russia for the first time, it was 1993.
    They lacked everything, and it was a cultural clash - to be honest.
    But what they really have - was freshly baked bread.
    You could have one, every minute, every place.
    And it was delicious.

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    Post  mnztr Sun May 05, 2024 2:50 am

    sepheronx wrote:Home on jamming is like 60's tech. Soviets had it and so didWon US.  Home on jamming GPS is just similar concept.

    Won't they just make sure a Pantsir is nearby?
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    Post  flamming_python Sun May 05, 2024 10:41 am

    The man has a point

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