GarryB wrote:My understanding was that the P in Su-27P was for interceptor for PVO units, while standard frontal aviation units had fighters designated S.
AFAIK they even had different systems so the R-27ER and ET missiles that the PVO used were not the same as the R-27ER and ET missiles the Frontal Aviation used.
The PVO tended to use datalinks rather more.
The Su-27P are the latest batch´s of Su-27, after 1989 or so, from 29-XX series to 37-xx in 1993-4 +/-
ALso , several Su-27S got the "P" new skills, but basically the difference is simply: was made later , with inprovements learned of the operational use of the firsts
The Su-27 with MiG-31 and others like older Mig-25 , Mig-23, etc... , was part of USSR PVO forces (air defence forces) while the most Mig-29 , not all , was part of VVS or Air Force (frontal aviation) combined in divisions with Su-24 , Su-25 , Mig-27 , Su-22 and older planes
Just look some regiments of East in 80´s (22º,47º,60º) http://www.ww2.dk/new/pvo/11oapvo.htm
I think Su-27 was out of PVO mainly outside the USSR, in outstanding forces in other countries of Warsaw Pact
The Su-27 was designed basically as superiority fighter, the ground attack capability (FGA) for become "multirole figther" was added with the SU-27SM modernization
franco wrote:More Su-27SM's to Besovet. According to this article there where only 45 -27SM's left, 2 at Ahtubinsk, 10 at Belbek, 18 at Dzemgi and that would leave 15 at Uglovaya. Those at Dzemgi being moved to Besovet.
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1798441.html
franco wrote:There still could be 5 Su-27SM's at Lipetsk making 50, as this article doesn't mention any aircraft at Lipetsk. It just breaks down the status of the original 48 at Dzemgi and Uglovaya, when you think about it. And an article from last year mentioned 5 -27SM's at Lipetsk
About the number of Su-27SM , was made 54
-One for Akhtubinsk as head of series, that later was transformed in "prototype" of SM3
-5 for Lipestk , which are out of service because are much older than the other, and once that Sukhoi squadron of Lipestk only has Su-30/35
-48 for two regiments (22 and 23 IAP)
Each regiment lost one plane in accidents , so probably remains 46
One plane of Vladivostok Nº 07 had bad landing because of the front landing gear , and touched the runway with the "nose"
I suppose bmpd , or the site from which he takes the information ,it discounts this plane.
I think the plane could fly if it is repaired, or perhaps is cheaper modernise other Su-27 in good shape than repair this one after many time unused
https://russianplanes.net/id213606
https://russianplanes.net/id215238
In late July , 5 Su-27SM of Dzemgi , including Nº 85 and 90 travel to West , 2 for complete the squadron of Besovets and 3 for Khotilovo
Also 2 planes of Vladivostok , Nº09 and Nº27 was seen in the way for West , probably for complete the squadron of Khotilovo
Now , should have:
3 squadrons in Belbek , Besovets , and Khotilovo , 36 planes
10 remain in 22º(5), 23º(2) & Akhtubisnk(3), excluding the "prototype". Other squadron could be raised up, just adding two of the better Su-27P remaining now and change for a couple of extra Su-27SM3 later
medo wrote:Interesting. Where are the rest of Su-27SM? they produce 53 Su-27SM, 5 for Lipetsk and 48 for Dzemgi and Uglovaya. they lost 2 in crashes, so 6 were somewhere. I think they will quite soon send all their Su-27SM and Su-30M2 in Belbek and Besovets as they are getting replaced by Su-35 and Su-30SM in Dzemgi and Uglovaya. For now, they have enough Su-30M2 for existing Su-27SM/SM3 units. 12 in Krymsk together with 12 new built Su-27SM3 to form a combined regiment and 4 in Belbek and 4 in Besovets to form regiments with Su-27SM from Dzemgi and Uglovaya. Bit for 36 more Su-27SM3 they will need at least 6 more Su-30M2 or 16 if they will make another combined regiment with 12 Su-27SM3 and 12 Su-30M2. I don't think those additional Su-27SM3 will be without twin seaters.
SU-30M2 production line was closed after the Nº89 and 90 blues of Belbek.
Su-30M2 is for training, is only a improved Su-27UB (Su-30=Su-27PU)
-Dzemgi have 4 Su-30SM and 2 Su-30M2 as "two seater" and I think this is the model
-Vladivostok have 2 SU-30SM (only one Su-35 sq. now) and 4 SU-30M2 that will be not necesary when regiment was completed with other sq. of 12 SU-35 and 2 Su-30SM. I think only will remain 2 "M2"
When Su-27 squadrons change to Su-35 ,some Su-30M2 will go to training bases like Astrakhan and Kuschevskaya (Krasnodar Flying School) , that now has Sqdn, of 8 SU-27UB+2 Su-27S
I think when all Su-35 regiments are complete with their Su-30SM , the 20 Su-30M2 should be in Astrakhan ( 12 ) and in Kuschevskaya ( 8 )
In westen Su-27 regiments, by end of 2020, each regiment should have one sqdn. of
new Su-35 (40 or more will received 2017-20) and other sqdn. of modernized Su-27SM (as Besovets will get now) except Krymsk that will have sqdn. of
new Su-27SM3 + sqdn. modernized Su-27SM3.
In this way each western Su-27/35 regiment will have brand new and modernized squadrons each and it will not take so long to make the transition and have new planes in all Military Districts
All Su-27SM/SM3 should be replaced after 2020,also for Su-35. The Su-27SM/SM3 only "cover the gap" until the Su-35
I think Putin wanted to open a airbase with 24 Su-27SM3 in Belarus at Baranovichi, but Lukashenko don´t wants and Belarus will get Su-30SM now, so only is necesary one dozen of Su-27SM3
If Russia do not open other regiment (Kilp Yarv, Chkalovsk-Kaliningrad , etc...) , I think Su-27SM3 is only necesary at Krymsk now
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