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    Post  Hole Thu Sep 21, 2023 1:09 pm

    These kinds of attacks raise moral in the Ukr military.
    Maybe the moral of some General but the soldiers on the frontlines see too many of their buddies die to get something out of a largely failed drone/missile attack or
    some planes flying around in the hinterland.

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    Post  zorobabel Thu Sep 21, 2023 4:06 pm

    Seems like Poland is tired of Ukraine's crap. One thing no decent politician would want to do is infuriate the farmers of his country, and that's exactly what Kiev's grain is doing. All of this coinciding with the massive failure of Ukraine's 100 day counter-offensive.

    Could be a good sign.

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Sep 21, 2023 4:27 pm

    US House Speaker McCarthy said he denied Zelensky the opportunity to speak in front of the Congress because the lawmakers were busy, The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/20/us/politics/mccarthy-zelensky-republicans.html) reports.

    💬 “Was Zelensky elected to Congress? Is he our president? I don’t think so. I have questions for where’s the accountability on the money we’ve already spent? What is this the plan for victory?” House Speaker Kevin McCarthy asked Tuesday.


    Downfall began.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Sep 21, 2023 4:53 pm

    Another specific intel driven strike.

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    According to @dva_majors, the number of foreign mercenaries killed in Cherkassy can reach 30 people:

    In the village of Orshanets near Cherkassy there is a training center based on the border service training. Entry into the village itself is closed to everyone. Any visitors are checked by military police at checkpoints and turned away.

    Foreigners trained Nazis there every day. Day and night at the training ground, in addition to shooting, preparations were underway for work with large-caliber guns and drones. Residents of the region noted an increase in the number of foreign instructors and mercenaries even on the eve of the so-called “counter-offensive.”

    According to local reports, the blow hit the Tsentralnaya Hotel and a restaurant with the same name. They tried not to house or serve civilians there. There were always a lot of new cars with black license plates parked near the hotel.

    After the strike, the area was cordoned off for three blocks; no one was even allowed to work within this perimeter. When leaving this zone, everything is checked, including phones with “forbidden” content.

    According to preliminary information, the number of 200s may be about three dozen. About 20 people are believed to be under the rubble.
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    Post  Hole Thu Sep 21, 2023 5:30 pm

    Western MSM: another peaceful hotel hit by those nasty Russians!  Rolling Eyes

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    Post  kvs Thu Sep 21, 2023 5:38 pm

    Didn't you know, all the new cemetery real estate in Ukria is for the little children murdered by ebil Rosshians.

    Too bad for NATzO that this brain dead propaganda has no effect on Russia and the course of the war. They are preaching to their
    own idiot choir.

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    Post  nomadski Thu Sep 21, 2023 6:10 pm

    This Poland wants a piece of the Cake ? Thinks it is easy as Pie ? After all the support they gave to prolong the war ? If not for their support , then war would be over .I think they should first pay for their sins . Blockade the Orcs arms shipment , Until Russia liberated it's territories and achieved the goals of SMO . Then can they have a piece of the Cake ? Will the Russians make it easy as Pie ? This means partition plan , perhaps the most expedient . Cake for Russia first , Pie for Poland later ?


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    Post  higurashihougi Thu Sep 21, 2023 6:48 pm

    ALAMO wrote:US House Speaker McCarthy said he denied Zelensky the opportunity to speak in front of the Congress because the lawmakers were busy, The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/20/us/politics/mccarthy-zelensky-republicans.html) reports.

    💬 “Was Zelensky elected to Congress? Is he our president? I don’t think so. I have questions for where’s the accountability on the money we’ve already spent? What is this the plan for victory?” House Speaker Kevin McCarthy asked Tuesday.


    Downfall began.

    Downfall continued.

    https://www.rt.com/news/583335-germany-opposes-ukraine-un-reform-plan/

    Annalena Baerbock says Berlin does not support Kiev’s call to strip Russia of its veto power.

    The diplomat noted that while Berlin sympathizes with the Ukrainian people, “it is not that we support everything that comes out of Ukraine from the government.”

    The minister was similarly skeptical of Zelensky’s proposal to grant Germany permanent member status of the Security Council. She claimed that “you can’t say: ‘Okay, we are just changing the Security Council now’, that would be a little naive.

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Sep 21, 2023 7:05 pm

    Victory has tons of parents, defeat is an orphan.

    Edit : just rolled over laughing Laughing Laughing
    "Zelensky was so popular at UN meeting as a pork chop at Muslim wedding"

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Sep 21, 2023 8:12 pm

    WTF

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    The Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Valery Zaluzhny may become a person involved in a criminal case on the abandonment of the south of Ukraine — the BBC Ukrainian service.

    According to media reports, the investigation has been going on for a year and a half, the commander-in-chief has already talked with investigators.

    Although there is no legal procedural status in the case yet, the BBC does not exclude that the commander-in-chief may receive it.

    by @tass_agency

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Sep 21, 2023 8:17 pm

    Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation (21 September 2023)

    ▫ Last night, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation carried out a group strike with long-range airborne precision weapons and strike drones against military industrial facilities, as well as centres for radio-technical reconnaissance and the training of sabotage groups of the AFU. The goal of the strike has been achieved. All the targets have been engaged.

    ◽ In Zaporozhye direction, 2 attacks of AFU 71st Jaeger and 47th Mechanised brigades near Novopokrovka and Rabotino (Zaporozhye) were repelled by actions of the Russian Group of Forces units, air strikes and artillery fire.

    ▫ Also, a cluster of manpower of the 46th Airmobile Brigade of the AFU near the locality of Verbovoye (Zaporozhye) was hit by fire.

    ▫ Up to 50 servicemen, 2 AFVs, including Bradley IFV, and 3 motor vehicles were eliminated.

    ▫ Also, 2 U.S.-made M777 artillery systems, 3 D-30 howitzers, and 1 U.S.-made M119 gun were hit during counter-battery warfare.

    ▫ In Donetsk direction, units of the Yug Group of Forces, in cooperation with aviation and artillery, repelled 5 attacks by AFU near Orekhovo-Vasilyevka Kurdyumovka, Klescheevka, Veseloye, and Khimik (DPR).

    ▫ Up to 300 servicemen killed and wounded, 2 AFVs, 5 motor vehicles, 1 Olkha MLRS, as well as 1 Polish-manufactured Krab self-propelled artillery system have been eliminated.

    ▫In Kupyansk direction, the Zapad Group of Forces units supported by aviation and artillery inflicted fire damage on the enemy near Sinkovka (Kharkov) and Novosyolovskoye (LPR).

    ▫ The enemy's losses were up to 20 servicemen, 2 motor vehicles, and 1 U.S.-made M109 Paladin self-propelled artillery system.

    ▫ In Krasny Liman direction, coordinated actions of the Tsentr Group of Forces, as well as helicopters strikes and artillery fire repelled 3 attacks launched by AFU assault groups near Chervonaya Dibrova and Shipilovka (LPR).

    ▫ In addition, strikes were delivered at clusters of enemy manpower and hardware near Grigorovka, Torskoye (DPR) and Serebryansky forestry.

    ▫ The AFU losses amounted to more than 75 servicemen, 2 AFVs, 2 pickup trucks, as well as one D-30 howitzer.

    ▫In South Donetsk direction, the Vostok Group of Forces, supported by helicopters and artillery inflicted fire damage on AFU units near Prechistovka (DPR) and repelled one enemy attack close to Priyutnoye (Zaporozhye).

    ▫ Up to 110 servicemen, 1 AFV, 4 motor vehicles, 1 Uragan MLRS, as well as 1 Gvozdika self-propelled artillery system have been eliminated.

    ◽ In Kherson direction, over 45 servicemen, three motor vehicles, and 1 U.S.-made M777 howitzer have been neutralised.

    ▫ 1 SRG of the AFU 126th Territorial Defence Brigade has been obliterated close to Pereyaslavsky Island.

    ▫ Operational-Tactical and Army aviation, Missile Troops and Artillery of the Russian Groups of Forces have engaged AFU manpower and hardware in 102 areas during the day.

    ◽ 1 U.S.-made AN/TPQ-50 counterbattery radar station was destroyed near Kalinovo (DPR).

    ◽ Air defence systems have intercepted 5 Storm Shadow cruise missiles, 4 HIMARS MLRS projectiles, and 1 HARM anti-radiation missile.

    ▫ 75 UAVs were obliterated in the areas of Mirnoye, Tokmak, Chervonogorka, Pologi (Zaporozhye), Volnovakha, Artyomovsk, Zolotarevka (DPR), Golikovo, Lisichansk (LPR), Olshana (Kharkov), as well as Novaya Sburyevka, Sagi, Geroyskoye (Kherson).

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    Post  ucmvulcan Thu Sep 21, 2023 8:19 pm

    JohninMK wrote:WTF

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    The Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Valery Zaluzhny may become a person involved in a criminal case on the abandonment of the south of Ukraine — the BBC Ukrainian service.

    According to media reports, the investigation has been going on for a year and a half, the commander-in-chief has already talked with investigators.

    Although there is no legal procedural status in the case yet, the BBC does not exclude that the commander-in-chief may receive it.

    by @tass_agency

    Its what people whose offensives are going so smashingly do. Suck on a Gurkhin Suck on a hotdog or whatever the Banderites say

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    Post  SolidarityWithRussia Thu Sep 21, 2023 8:19 pm

    Downfall continued.

    https://www.rt.com/news/583335-germany-opposes-ukraine-un-reform-plan/

    Annalena Baerbock says Berlin does not support Kiev’s call to strip Russia of its veto power.

    Another reason why Russia should not kill Zelensky. Instead of becoming some sort of martyr for the war propaganda, he continues wrecking Ukraine's reputation and turning allies against him as long as he is alive.

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    Post  Backman Thu Sep 21, 2023 9:05 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Backman wrote:Once again, these  attacks on underground SBU centers doesn't of was leveled every time Ukraine did one of these cheap shots, they would think twice about doing it again. Instead of you know... doing it with impunity because there is no consequences.

    Are there any su 57's stationed in Crimea ? That will be a target. These kinds of attacks raise moral in the Ukr military. They have real effects.

    Why don't you volunteer and show how it's done?

    That would be a better use of both your time and ours with than these constant complaints, and calls to destroy government buildings. Those government buildings are not full of combatants, just so you understand. And the officials who do actually make the key decisions don't sit in such buildings, and you don't necessarily want to take them out anyway considering the poor decisions that they've been making. There's the risk that they'll be replaced by somebody competent.
    Don't throw me in with the concern trolls , doomers and idiots. I am just talking about a policy choice by Putin mostly. I think the approach is too passive. Prestige should matter even just a little bit.

    What is the cost to hitting some visible targets like govt buildings and things in Kiev ? Even if it is mostly for show

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    Post  Backman Thu Sep 21, 2023 9:23 pm

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    Post  Hole Thu Sep 21, 2023 10:06 pm

    Seymour Hersh reports on the state of the war and of significant differences of opinion between the U.S. intelligence services:
    There are significant elements in the American intelligence community, relying on field reports and technical intelligence, who believe that the demoralized Ukraine army has given up on the possibility of overcoming the heavily mined three-tier Russian defense lines and taking the war to Crimea and the four oblasts seized and annexed by Russia. The reality is that Volodymyr Zelensky’s battered army no longer has any chance of a victory.
    The war continues, I have been told by an official with access to current intelligence, because Zelensky insists that it must. There is no discussion in his headquarters or in the Biden White House of a ceasefire and no interest in talks that could lead to an end to the slaughter. “It’s all lies,” the official said, speaking of the Ukrainian claims of incremental progress in the offensive that has suffered staggering losses, while gaining ground in a few scattered areas that the Ukrainian military measures in meters per week.
    ...
    The American intelligence official I spoke with spent the early years of his career working against Soviet aggression and spying has respect for Putin’s intellect but contempt for his decision to go to war with Ukraine and to initiate the death and destruction that war brings. But, as he told me, “The war is over. Russia has won. There is no Ukrainian offensive anymore, but the White House and the American media have to keep the lie going.
    “The truth is if the Ukrainian army is ordered to continue the offensive, the army would mutiny. The soldiers aren’t willing to die any more, but this doesn’t fit the B.S. that is being authored by the Biden White House.”

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Sep 22, 2023 12:03 am

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    The Malyshev Kharkov Transport Engineering Plant, part of the Ukroboronprom concern, which produces and repairs tanks, tank engines and infantry fighting vehicles for the needs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, was hit by a Russian missile attack, the coordinator of the pro-Russian Nikolaev underground, Sergei Lebedev, told RIA Novosti, citing his Kharkov comrades. .

    According to him, the nearby Frunze Metal Products Plant also came under attack. He provided RIA Novosti with photos showing the consequences of missile strikes - columns of smoke rising above the territory of the plant. According to Lebedev, the underground recorded six explosions.


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    Post  JohninMK Fri Sep 22, 2023 12:14 am

    Accurate fire

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    Post  kvs Fri Sep 22, 2023 12:29 am

    Hole wrote:Seymour Hersh reports on the state of the war and of significant differences of opinion between the U.S. intelligence services:

    The American intelligence official I spoke with spent the early years of his career working against Soviet aggression and spying has respect for Putin’s intellect but contempt for his decision to go to war with Ukraine and to initiate the death and destruction that war brings. But, as he told me, “The war is over. Russia has won. There is no Ukrainian offensive anymore, but the White House and the American media have to keep the lie going.
    “The truth is if the Ukrainian army is ordered to continue the offensive, the army would mutiny. The soldiers aren’t willing to die any more, but this doesn’t fit the B.S. that is being authored by the Biden White House.”

    This official can go and eat dick. More civilians died during the 2014-start of SMO period in the Donbass than during the whole SMO period. The Kiev
    regime was openly planning a version of Operations Flash and Storm where Croatia ethnically cleansed 450,000 Serbs in 1995. The SMO is a humanitarian
    intervention.

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    Post  d_taddei2 Fri Sep 22, 2023 12:39 am

    @garryb your statement "When you talk about ATACMS then you are not talking about a MRLS... Iskander has two ready to launch missiles... is it an MRLS."

    Is completely wrong. Iskander is not an MLRS, I thought even u knew this. It's a short ranged ballistic missile (SRBM) or a tactical ballistic missile (TBM) although I would say more suited as SRBM identity. There is also a difference between rockets and missiles mainly around guidance. But iskander isn't classified as a MLRS, u might have thought it was due to being armed with more than one missile but this doesn't constitute an MLRS.

    Just pointing it out.

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    Post  kvs Fri Sep 22, 2023 1:19 am

    The tantrum position of the Kiev regime not to have any negotiations for anything with Russia is an epic self-own fail. It unties Russia's hands
    from regime change. Negotiations could have "frozen" the conflict or at least made Russia look bad for not being "reasonable" and continuing
    its SMO. But the harder the chimp Elensky postures, the harder it is to corner Russia with negotiations.

    The neocons that have their hands up Elensky anus and flap his puppet lips are terminally deluded. Not surprising considering that they
    are nothing more than higher functioning autistics.

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    Post  nomadski Fri Sep 22, 2023 6:15 am

    When a population ( usually a minority )  in a recognised country , with fixed recognised borders , is subject to ethnic cleansing and genocide , and even far less crimes of discrimination and oppression , then that country or ruling elite ( usually a majority ) looses ownership of that land . Territorial integrity , looses it's meaning in law or in practice . The only ruling legitimate power , over a territory , is one that gives safety and security and welfare to a population . Voting over territorial matters  , can only be respected or upheld , if the elected authorities , respect the fundamental rights of the population .

    It is for Russia to decide about negotiations with Kiev . If they see that the " authorities " there , are or have been beneficent rulers over Ukraine populations , then talks will be fruitful . Under better conditions than now , they rejected peace , the Minsk agreement . Choosing the path of ethnic cleansing and genocide and war . Their political and personal existence , clearly relies on prolongation of war . They will dance to the Drums of war , and not the harmonic melodies in the Bolshoi .


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    Post  flamming_python Fri Sep 22, 2023 8:43 am

    ALAMO wrote:Victory has tons of parents, defeat is an orphan.

    Edit : just rolled over laughing Laughing Laughing
    "Zelensky was so popular at UN meeting as a pork chop at Muslim wedding"

    I think it's just an attempt by Poland, the US and the Europeans to put the Ukraine in its place and get it to tow the line instead of trying to wag the dog

    I don't think they're really preparing to de-escalate with Russia and abandon the Ukraine. Hope I'm wrong and you're right, of course.

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Sep 22, 2023 9:09 am

    Distancing is crystal clear and is coming from multiple directions.
    The stand of Poland is misleading, remind you the elections in 3 weeks.
    They will say whatever is needed to score.
    But the truth is that people are sick&tired with all of it.
    More and more sane opinions emerge.
    Today, I was hearing an interview with some ex-ambassador concerning the Polish reaction.
    The guy said, that there is no Polish-Ukrainian love because there is no space and ground for that. Bilateral relations of this kind must be built for generations, and based on common principles.
    We share only one thing, that is hate towards Russia. The only binding of this eternal friendship.
    Nobody would dare to share this kind of opinion half a year ago. Especially not in this particular radio station, as they are powered by a globalist agenda and are extremely ideology-heavy.

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    Post  TMA1 Fri Sep 22, 2023 10:21 am

    I think this war can be summed up by the knowledge of the globalist agenda and insidious strategies of the elites who are setting the agendas. They have so much money and so much power in the state departments and intelligence apparatuses of various governments. Multiple power cliques, not just one. And they hold sway thru various private intel agencies and NGOs.

    The issue is their tactics are becoming known. Not enough yet I think to quash the movements they foster and unleash, but enough to warn and try to mitigate. Sadly the enterprises (these elite cliques call their projects enterprises almost every time its weird) are still alive. There is a big but, though. For the first time I think in generations they feel vulnerable. For the first time in a long time they know they cannot make the same blunders they used to in their old projects. They used to be able to succeed even when they or their minions did retarded and/or flagrant shit. Now they must be more bold yet more sophisticated and at times subtle.

    The major dangers come through the unelected officials within key bureaus in the great western governments. Particularly as I mentioned the state departments and especially the intelligence agencies. The American/Brit factions in these agencies work with factions in European and jew and turk and Korean intel agencies like hand in glove.

    It is a mess. It all needs to come out to the open. People talk about "ontological shock" with the fake UFO stuff. If all the names and events and places and machinations of these cliques came out to the open for the public to see, there would be true and genuine ontological shock. People have no idea how bad things are.

    All this is why Russia has to win. Not because I worship Russia or think it is better. No I am an American and my nation is on the very edge of death. I love my country and we got to somehow save it. If Russia loses then ultimately all nation states as we once knew them are doomed. These elites could in the end take down even China. These elites cannot have this kind of power. It is so dangerous and corrupting, even as these elites are utterly wicked and corrupt. Damn another screed. Sorry guys. But I think all this is true.

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