I propose that Russia use thermobaric nukes.
Only the news media call them nukes.
To burn you need temperature, fuel and oxygen.
Petrol on its own is fuel but it needs temperature and also a good mixture of oxygen for it to burn or explode.
High Explosive contains fuel and also oxygen and needs just a trigger to detonate it... by volume and weight it needs about four parts oxygen or oxygen releasing material per one part of fuel, so 100kgs of HE is 80kgs of oxygen and 20kgs of fuel that burns that oxygen at supersonic speeds.
Thermobaric rounds use only fuel and no oxygen creating material so a 100kg thermobaric round will be 95kgs of fuel and perhaps 5kgs of spreading explosive to vapourise and spread the fuel... so essentially a 100kg Thermobaric bomb explodes like a 500kg HE bomb effectively where 400kg of air is from the environment around the target.
But nothing to do with plutonium or uranium.
It tends to burn hotter and longer than HE but its peak velocity is not as high so it does not shatter many targets like HE would.
A mandatory reaction would be the export ban from Russian Titan.
There are certainly things they can ban for export to the west that could hurt the west, without hurting Russia but it needs careful consideration to make sure it wont backfire like EU sanctions have on the EU.
Eh she spoke stupidity sure but that's not a declaration of war nor could it be considered one. Again her words where stupid as shit but she didn't mean Germany was literally at war, frankly speaking she doesn't even have the power to declare that.
The real point is that the west has picked their side so there is no point in including the west in the peace arrangements afterwards... this is now Russia destroying Americas puppet regime and negotiating the future peace with the survivors who will essentially be the people left after Ukraine stops fighting Americas war on Russia.
Those will work the same way as working against Russkie tanks.
Fail.
Perhaps it will be a claim the west makes to explain how their heavy armour has failed... it was destroyed by super western weapons supplied to the Ukraine and captured by the Russians because of course only a western uber weapon could defeat another western uber weapon... except that Russian weapons are better and also cheaper... except the western stuff is free.
Why do I have the feeling US will send M1 and not m1a2 ?
They didn't make any M1s, which had a British 105mm rifled gun.
Would have to be the M1A1 with the 120mm smoothbore... a calibre they don't use, though the leopards will use the same calibre the Challenger IIs have a 120mm rifled gun with another new ammo type.
I note the Russians have warned the west if they send DU ammo for their weapons the Russians will consider that a dirty nuclear weapon use... without DU rounds the 25mm cannon of the Strykers and the Bradleys are pretty ordinary against armour, and of course Leos and Abrams without DU rounds... well how many will even make it to the front.
I rather suspect they will use them as a defensive line just out of Kiev to try to stop Russian forces from rampaging across their entire country... but then a target like a tank could be hit by Kh-38s at ranges up to 40km with a 250kg HE payload a direct hit using an IIR seeker means one missile one kill... and the target will have no idea it is under attack.
Garry this kid's post was littered with insults and was just to take a shot at me, this is against forum rules. Talk to him.
That is fair enough, Alamo and other posters please tone down the personal attacks and personal references... attack facts or opinions, not members. The M1A2 was never great; its fucking trash
Carrying your ammo in your turret rear is just asking to be blown up and is a serious weak point of the vehicle.
We are talking about a civilized, developed country like Russia and not your dirt poor shit hole country India.
That is rather offensive and rather ignorant.
Don't you realize moron that NATO already knows about the specs of the Javelin and NLAW? But I rather suspect you have ulterior motives.
You do understand he is suggesting using expensive and plentiful western supplied and Russian captured weapons on their own wonderwaffle to solve two different problems at once.
His logic is flawed because both lack the range to be used from safe distances like most Russian systems they could and will use to obliterate these western tin cans, but his thoughts are basically pro Russian... unlike you who judges entire countries... India has the potential to become as rich and powerful as China... as part of some military group with the US that chance is zero, but as part of BRICS that is actually a goal for all members that other countries within the group work together to make things better for everyone.
Your thinking sound British colonial... something the new Woke BS is reacting against... and although they are taking things too far, I basically agree with many aspects of white shame even if it has nothing to do with skin colour... it wasn't the poor white people in London that benefited from the shit the rich powerful people in Europe did to the world... in the 1700s or now.
It is more about money than skin colour.
You and your ilk seems to be something very similar to being born deaf-mute, blind, or unable to experience anything else that is a regular part of a civilized person’s existence.
The white people in the west used their country for the production of dangerous chemicals and ran away and disappeared when something went wrong... they should hate us white people rather more than they do... they are much better people than we are.
Sending 10-15-20-30 tanks in batches means pure slaughter.
Lets consider MORE!
Destroyed in the train yards because a tank with a 120mm gun on it is hard to disguise and the fuel these vehicles use is considerable.
If they allow Ukraine to buildup , we will see another smart retreat from Kherson, and Zaporozhye
The difference is that before it was a much smaller Russian defending force so when they attacked with large numbers they had to retreat while keeping the enemy forces under fire.
What happens when the defending force has rather more men and rifles and machine guns is that enemy attempts to use human wave assaults and light armoured attacks consisting of a BMP and a dozen SUVs, means the attacking waves of enemy forces are obliterated and their retreating lines and shelled...
I would not totally discount the arrival of western equipment
Their core problem is that the performance of any tank is based on the training of the crew and direction of the military and tactics used, so lack of training for the troops and ineptitude of the mission planners suggests they wont be handled very well... and will suffer in the cold and in the spring.
Why is Rybar showing that the center of Maryinka is still held completely by Ukraine?
Could he be wrong?
"Ukraine now expects long-range missiles and jets from West after the confirmation of tanks" - Zelensky
This is just Zelensky being a cock sucker, aircraft would be more vulnerable than tanks... at least you can put a tarp over a tank and pretend it is a building or something, but a fighter plane... all they could do is fly up and down the border with HATO pretending to be HATO planes and hoping Russia will accidentally shoot down a HATO plane and try to get HATO involved in the conflict openly... which HATO knows and understands so there will be no HATO planes.
Bro, don't teach me things I did thumbsup (there should be a beer cheering icon Garry! )
The range of emoticons is huge... if you want something just type it with a : on either side of it with no spaces ie colonbeercolon like this:
As long as those Western war criminals do not have to deal with too much resistance from their own population and from Russia, they will continue to double down - probably without any limits.
The issue is that all these wonder weapons wont be a serious threat to Russia... if anything their logistics and training is going to cost them in resources and men in the hope that six months after they get them they will be in a position to use them, but in six months time the rest of Kievs army might have already collapsed and those men training in Poland might just ask for political asylum or something. Sending in weapons then wont do anything...
If they have some ready to go in now because they have been secretly training them... well go for it... you can't train a soldier to fight artillery or air attack, and you can't train a tank crew to fight artillery or helicopter attack aircraft either.
The danger of western tanks , is that the mass of Ukrainian infantry will be able to move with speed in the south
Large armoured forces can be dealt with whether they have people in them or not... preferably with crews inside.
If they even make it to the front they will need serious logistics to carry the fuel they will need as well as the ammo etc.
If there are only 20-30 at a time then a flight of Hokums and Havocs can work magic from distances they wont even be noticed from.
Then as now, many scoffed that Ukraine could conduct an offensive - but were left with an egg on the face when it came
That clumsy attack has put them in the human body depleted situation they currently find themselves in... it was a man wave attack even the Chinese would be upset about... because Kiev clearly does not value its citizens lives enough to care... another offensive like that against rather more Russians would be catastrophic for Kievs forces.
It looks like NATO states are preparing to start transferring F-16 aircraft, which Lockheed Martin will replace with new F-16s.
No... those transfers will be to replace aircraft already delivered to Kiev like MiG-29s and Su-25s that are probably already destroyed... it will be HATO countries that are getting these F-16s rather than Kiev... they would not last very long at all over Kiev.
But ATGM didn't stop them from taking Stary Saltov, Liman, Kupyansk, Chuiguev, Balakleya, and so on
Those places were thinly held so an enemy force moving forward you don't have enough weapons to defeat, then you withdraw and shoot as many as you can... the Russians weren't pushed back... they withdrew and the Orcs moved forward and occupied the territory they vacated.
If these western wonderwaffle are going to push the Russian forces back to the Crimea or hold the line around Kiev they will be in serious trouble trying to do either... because they are large and don't have 360 degree armour.
The tanks are posturing at least but may be more serious if they are used by a NATzO force to take over western Ukraine. Poland is
the staging ground for this. The US has sent around 120 Abrams to Poland. But the real numbers may be higher. The sales of
Abrams to Poland are not recent. Of course, this does not mean that NATzO operated Abrams are invulnerable wunderwaffen.
The Soviets had a range of anti armour submunitions that could be fitted to cruise missiles and bombs and artillery rockets of all kinds so a HATO force violates Ukrainian territory would be an act of war not covered by Article 5 in the HATO handbook...
Moving Polish forces into Ukraine makes Polish military targets fair game and neutralises any article 5 nonsense.
Otherwise the UK could have demanded a HATO force to help it in the Falklands conflict.
Fancy tanks coming? Ok, get more ATGMs to the front and train up more people to use them. I mean.. come on.
The Russians will have more LMUR and Vikhr missiles than HATO has tanks... a good chance to test them.
Not to mention the Kh-38 missiles with a 250kg warhead or indeed the GROM I and II glide bombs based on the Kh-38 with and without rocket boosting to extend range and terminal guidance with a 300kg plus warhead.
Its not out of the realm of possibility, but India has to many issues with social mobility, religion, etc. And by the pace China has out developed them I doubt it.
With cooperation and trade with BRICS countries there is no reason for India and all the other countries to grow and develop and find their own way forward... if you had asked me 30 years ago about Chinas future I would have said it was very similar to North Koreas... awkward commie country not interested in what is happening in the rest of the world that lacks most things especially production capacity... well the west made them the production centre for the western world and they were smart...
China did not have a highway until 1988, look at the length of the highway network in China in 2022...
Their growth has been amazing, but only because they were so backward to start with... you can have a single cell organism on a petris dish that divides every half hour... at that exponential rate by the end of three years you would have an organic mass the size of the earth... but obviously when it reaches the edge of the petris dish and runs out of food the expansion stops as it is limited by its environment as is everything.
All of these are good tanks in fact and have proved themselves in multiple conflicts. The same Shermans and Pattons were used by Israel to great effect even against enemy tanks which were newer and superior.
Shermans with the Israelis shows if you know the strengths and weaknesses of your weapon system and you have good skill and cunning then you can succeed in an inferior platform.
Not really the situation the Ukrainians find themselves... no control of the air or artillery... they are vulnerable to things they simply wont be equipped to fight.
Like it or not Russian military anti armour equipment is all designed and geared to kill western tanks...
These western tanks are designed to kill Russian systems and equipment but with trained and motivated crews and a full range of air power and artillery in support with enemy equivalents suppressed if not destroyed.
Armata would get bitch slapped if it went in there without aps to
Supplying Armata and Su-57s would not save Kiev...
Of course a lot of MPs will be twats. But the last Labour leader in England (Corbyn) knew the situation and I believe spoke on it a bit. And a lot of Conservative voters likewise, won't want their businesses fucked up by some cocksuckers from Washington or a few Nazis.
Corbyn was called anti semetic... but that used to mean someone who hates jews, but these days it means someone the zionist jews hate and it probably a badge of honour.
Organisations like Bellingcat are funded and dedicated to find media and politicians in the EU that are not hard core anti Russian enough, with their job throwing shit til something sticks and they get fired or discredited... so I would not hold my breath for common sense to become something in Europe or the west.
Perhaps generously arm N Korea. Perhaps fund radical movements in the USA. Fund Argentinian groups targetting the Falklands etc.
An ongoing sale of Su-35s to Iran perhaps with local production... all paid for in oil or gas or both... and cooperation in a range of areas of military and other technology areas. Iran will have some clever people and Iran and Russia would benefit from such cooperation.
Including shelling the Ukro positions with tons of paper calling for surrender.
What is the issue is Ukro propaganda that is being carried for years how they will be murdered.
Those poor bastards are being bombed with this shit 24/7.
Latest "hit" was the news how half of the released Ukrainian POWs were castrated.
They are public this kind of shit with all the seriousness.
The amusing thing is that these released prisoners will likely be sent straight back to the front because of their shortages of manpower... so when these ex prisoners get to the front lines they can tell the other soldiers the truth... which might lead to entire groups surrendering together... but dying together will suffice... if that is what they choose.
Even the latest and loud event of shooting the guys in a foxhole presented actually that fact. Russians do take prisoners, en mass.
You have to surrender to be a POW... if you choose not to surrender or don't obey instructions then they are not obliged to discuss it with you and convince you to surrender.
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