Russian special military operation in Ukraine #35

"Both are fighting a superior force and cannot really stand out in the open to fight on even terms as they lack air control and decent artillery to really challenge their enemy.

So the Taliban ambush while the orcs issue a challenge and mark a place on the map to meet the Russian forces on equal terms?

Yeah, right."



Ukraine is in the open fighting lol, ridiculous you are trying to defend this stance. This isn't an ambush war, this is a standard war.

Yes Ukraine attacks spots that are defended by russian forces, and the russia does the same. They know each other are there, for christ sake. This is why I stopped replying to you, the things you say are just absurd,

Odin of Ossettia wrote:The article claims that essentially the Russian military is full of stupid generals:

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/ukraine-situation-report-troop-loss-catastrophe-in-donetsk-outrages-russias-military-bloggers?utm_source=spotim&utm_medium=spotim_recirculation&spot_im_redirect_source=pitc

The only thing the article proves is that The Drivel is full of stupid scribblers.

ALAMO wrote:I hope that you do realize that the sole fact that you are talking about the same thing for the fourth day stands for its uniqueness?

In the meantime, Russkie wiped out several troops concentration spots, some of them bigger. As a daily basis practice.

Carry on, carry on, let all the bugs crawl out Laughing

It's not a typical modus operandi, you would expect that from UA side. Also, there isn't much going apart from some Russian strikes behind enemy lines that are impossible to asses the damage due to how strict censorship is.

De-electrisation of a substation in Ukraine showed by Ukrenergo

https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1610456579706392578

Seems the Russians are distracting the Ukr ADs away by small air targets to give a change for the real missile or suicide drone for a successful attack .

"Arabian wedding" air defenses over Kiev didn't stop "Geran-2" arrival at the TPP-5 (powerplant), huge explosion can be seen at the end of the video.

https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1610422231154438146

Arkanghelsk your English is really good but didn't they teach you about the use of paragraphs?

Its OK perhaps to have single sentence paragraphs on a short post but when you do a long one, like on the last page, it makes it much easier to read if you block sentences about the same thing together. This isn't a mobile phone.

Thanks in anticipation.

Why is the MoD blaming the soldiers cell phones instead of accepting that a certain commander in the co0mmand chain is responsible for putting hundreds of troops in a building next to the frontline? This is victim blaming.

First of all, you don't get the full point because Kiev claims 400 dead Russian soldiers in that attack, and the patriots who care about Russia have been right on most other occasions so it is more like 50 to 0.2.

I never claimed ukrainian BS about 600 killed, I only follow voenkors. They said 50-100 got killed. You claimed voenkors were lying and nothing got hit.

Listening to panic mongers is not finding the truth...

Russian MoD response is cause for concern, because it doesnt claim responsibnility.

Georgia is a HATO ally and makes Su-25s...

I lumped in georgia with NATO. Even taking into account georgia, theres no way russia shot down 150 Su-25s. Theres no way ukraine has 350 aircraft shot down and is still flying.

Russian MoD says soldiers’ cellphone use led to Makiivka strike. Not much can be expected from semi literate soldiers.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/01/04/world/russia-ukraine-news#:~:text=Russia%20says%20soldiers'%20cellphone%20use%20led%20to%20deadly%20Makiivka%20strike.,-Image&text=As%20anger%20mounts%20in%20Russia,home%20in%20on%20their%20location.

Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation in Ukraine (4 January 2023)

Part 1 (read Part 2)

The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation.

In Kupyansk direction, over 40 Ukrainian personnel, and 2 motor vehicles have been eliminated near Dvurechnaya, Sinkovka, Kislovka, and Berestovoye (Kharkov region).

1 sabotage and reconnaissance group of the enemy has been eliminated near Liman Perviy (Kharkov region).

In Krasniy Liman direction, Russian forces have launched artillery strikes at two assault detachments, manpower and hardware concentration areas of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) near Chervonaya Dibrova (Lugansk People's Republic), as well as near Serebryanskoye forestry.

5 sabotage and reconnaissance groups of the enemy have been eliminated near Nevskoye (Lugansk People's Republic), Novovodyanoye, Serebryanka, and Belogorovka (Donetsk People's Republic).

The enemy has lost over 150 Ukrainian personnel, 1 armoured personnel carrier, 7 armoured fighting vehicles, and 3 pickups.

In Donetsk direction, Russian forces continue their offensive.

The AFU have lost over 100 personnel, 1 tank, 4 armoured fighting vehicles, and 5 motor vehicles.

In South Donetsk direction, AFU units made unsuccessful attempts to counterattack Russian forces' positions near Dorozhnyanka (Donetsk People's Republic).

All counterattacks have been repelled, and the enemy has been pushed back to its initial positions.

Moreover, artillery strikes launched at AFU manpower and hardware concentration areas have resulted in the elimination of over 180 Ukrainian personnel, 5 tanks, 5 infantry fighting vehicles, 3 armoured fighting vehicles, and 10 motor vehicles near Vladimirovka, Prechistovka, Novoukrainka (Donetsk People's Republic), as well as near Chervonoye (Zaporozhye region).

Missile Troops and Artillery of the Russian groups of forces have neutralised 83 AFU artillery units at their firing positions, manpower and military equipment at 107 areas.

2 U.S.-manufactured AN/TPQ-50 counterbattery warfare radars have been destroyed near Chasov Yar and Avdeyevka (Donetsk People's Republic).

5 AFU ordnance depots have been destroyed near Orekhov (Zaporozhye region), Dibrova, and Konstantinovka (Donetsk People's Republic).

1 ordnance depot of a unit of foreign mercenaries has been destroyed near Kramatorsk (Donetsk People's Republic).

#MoD #Russia #Ukraine #report
@mod_russia_en

https://t.me/mod_russia_en/5660

Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation in Ukraine (4 January 2023)

Part 2 (read Part 1)

Within the counterbattery warfare, 1 launching ramp of Uragan multiple-launch rocket system (MLRS) has been detected and destroyed near Artyomovsk (Donetsk People's Republic).

3 2S1 Gvozdika self-propelled howitzers have been destroyed near Pokalyanoye (Kharkov region), and Orekhov (Zaporozhye region).

1 D-20 howitzer and its crew have been eliminated near Serebryanka (Donetsk People's Republic).

Fighter Aviation of Russian Aerospace Forces has shot down MiG-29 and Su-25 airplanes of Ukrainian Air Force near Kramatorsk (Donetsk People's Republic), and Novopavlovka (Nikolayev region).

Air defence facilities have destroyed 6 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles near Zelyoniy Gai (Zaporozhye region), Blagoveshchenka, Petrovka, Kirillovka (Donetsk People's Republic), and Kremennaya (Lugansk People's Republic).

In total, 357 airplanes and 199 helicopters, 2,813 unmanned aerial vehicles, 399 air defence missile systems, 7,408 tanks and other armoured combat vehicles, 968 fighting vehicles equipped with MRLS, 3,772 field artillery cannons and mortars, as well as 7,920 units of special military equipment have been destroyed during the special military operation.

#MoD #Russia #Ukraine #report
@mod_russia_en

https://t.me/mod_russia_en/5661

Just an observation. Limb and RTN posting at the same time. Interesting. Aside from that I think that there was either treachery or some slithery Ukrainian sympathizers involved with this on top of constant western intel. Cell phones undoubtedly played a role.

Let us move on. We dont need hectoring over a failure and tragedy for multiple days. I think we should wait for more information and go from there. Even our idle guesses mean little in this fog of war.

WTF are you talking about? The cellphone blame was posted 1 day ago. Its been discussed since. If you have something against me thats ok, but stop making retarded lies that can be disproven by going back one page, you look extremely lazy like that.

More detail on the Nazi that was killed as per my post 423

Arthur Morgan
@ArthurM40330824
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Leader of the Hitler Youth eliminated in #Ukraine

Oleg Yurchenko, who was the organizer of the all-Ukrainian military-patriotic game "Falcons-Dzhura", an educational program of the Hitler Youth, during which children were given military training skills.

The Drive

Puplishes in a country that created Generals like Hodges, Petraeus... 

For months our MSM tell us that "Ukraine" is huuuuuugely successful. But there single largest strike against russian soldiers comes after 10+ months of the war?
At New Year´s Eve?
Tells you something about their real success.


It seems someone is driving his Moped along the border. 

For months our MSM tell us that "Ukraine" is huuuuuugely successful. But there single largest strike against russian soldiers comes after 10+ months of the war?
At New Year´s Eve?
Tells you something about their real success.

Second actually.
The first one was smaller in scale, but they hit some Achmat units while they TikToked location a while ago. 40KIA or so, RAK ordered bloody vengeance back there. And Putin ordered a general audit why such stupid things happening. After that the number of Chechen originated materials dropped significantly.

This story of hosting party 10km from line echoes moskva 30km from Nikolayev

@Azi

The article is targeting Russian/Slavic culture

And the article is not completely wrong

As I posted days ago

In Russia you have dumb fucking guys who put welders next to metal chips and paint cans

This is a negligent culture that was cultivated around end of USSR, 90s

It's negligence to the point of laziness

What happened on NYE party, was lax rules, and lax discipline

Same as Moskva

Same as Kuznetsov

Same as Engels

And the story repeats

If Drive is saying Russian generals are dumb

What they really are getting to, is that the Russian culture is lazy

This shit could happen 4 times in a row

Like Kuznetsov catching fire, and getting leveled by a crane and sinking the drydock

Months later the kuznetsov catches fire again

And in December the kuznetsov caught fire a 3rd or 4th time ffs

Or Provorniy, the welder was left next to paint and chemicals destroying the entire superstructure

Or Kursk, who's torpedoes were not changed out, and had faulty cap with peroxide issue

Or Engels with not one air defense on perimeter

Or Saki with not one air defense on perimeter

Or Rostov, with not one air defense on perimeter

Or malls throughout catching fire without sprinkler system

Or Crimea Bridge without security connected to Ukraine by Crimea getting wrecked

Yes we downplay it to not get angry

And no it has nothing to do with Russian stupidity

But LAZINESS

it can happen 4 or 5 times, and the top boss doesn't get the message

Unfortunately look at BSF, with Osipov

- Saratov hit by Himars, sunk - salvaged and towed to Kerch , probably scrapped

- 2 ropuchas damaged in same attack

- Saki , got HIMARS

- Moskva goes kaboom

- Gvardeskoye catches HIMARS, Dzhankoi catches HIMARS,

- Belbek - another HIMARS

- Bridge Kaboom

By that time Osipov should have been posted to Magadan, but what can I say

No its not a doom,

But it is a reality check, one needed for a long time

I think a manual general is needed, one to put fire out when they spark

Surovikin is not a micromanage, but one is needed

I would be careful about drawing such conclusions

Because for every negligent fleet commander, or regiment commander, or shipyard boss - there will be 10 that are if not especially gifted or earnest, at least do their job properly.
It's just that it only takes 1 of them, not 10, to be negligent or corrupt or unqualified - to lead to such a disaster.

Any military has such people too. When any army is faced with a full-scale war where the price of failure is a few mortar strikes on old Harrier jump jets on an airbase in Afghanistan, but missiles ripping through and taking out your latest hardware and dozens of your soldiers in an area of their concentration - then failures and individual incompetence will lead to exactly these sorts of outcomes

There is no reason to make a philosophical molehill out of the sort of thing that goes on in war all the time.
Did the Ukrainians start sulking over the hundreds of their places of temporary deployment taken out with all hands by Russian missiles? No they just covered it up and got on with the war.

@Garry
89 dead... just the fuel they need to keep killing nazis... use the pain, learn from it and put it to good use.

This is not first time, it happened. I could understand if they hit some barracks around Belgorod or deep in LDNR with new type of weapon. Since this was merely 15 km from Ukrainian lines, this is pure stupidity. Especially since you had munition and the fuel, stored in the same building. Stalin would have shot the "genius" that is found responsible , on the spot. And I'm not a communist by any meaning.
Arkhangelsk is right about " not giving a ****" culture in Russia. It does exist.
And I'll give you another example from personal experience. PD can correct me if I'm wrong.
Our army was never caught like this during NATO bombardments in '99. Even if they had full supremacy in air and reconnaissance assets.

You also ended up in a war you could not win, and that's the first no-no by Sun Tsu's reckoning.

I don't think there is a culture of whatever responsible. The priority of self-preservation in warfare tends to dismiss any such culture. Especially months into a war. Speaking of which, this war has lasted far longer than the NATO bombing of the FRY and involves a magnitude more ordnance and manpower - this or that screw-up can't be compared.

A proper investigation needs to be conducted to figure out how such a monstrous amount of incompetence was allowed to take place. Maybe some people objected but they were silenced. Maybe there was some betrayal to the enemy going on.
My feeling is that there was an feeling of false security due to Russian air defense coverage.
It's a similar attack to the one that Russia carried out on Yaroyiv at the start of the war which took out hundreds of personnel and foreign mercs. They were also not expecting Russia to attack that far-out and Western mercs to boot. Don't know why.

Ukrainian nutjobs getting more and more emboldened.

Long and informative article of the situation as of December's end. Fairly unbiased considering author is a Finnish professor.


Current military situation in Ukraine crisis, end December 2022

In the update article “Current situation in Ukraine crisis” of November 30, there were assessments on the political-military situation and possible trajectories, where the things are going. Here I am updating, particularly the military situation on the whole theater of war and assessing the probable military outcome. Some interesting and important new features and issues will be studied closer.

Hotspots in the frontline, activities on battlefields

In November, Russian troops went on the offensive in several directions on the Ukrainian front lines and declared significant successes in some areas. December has further confirmed this trajectory but the main tactics of Russia’s forces is still “meat-grinding” by heavy artillery and rocket strikes and slow advance of infantry troops. Frontlines have been quite stable during December.

FULL ARTICLE: https://greatpowerrelations.com/current-military-situation-in-ukraine-crisis-end-december-2022/

It looks like Wagner pushed nazis a bit more in Soledar


https://mobile.twitter.com/UnerkanntW/status/1610609198210883592

Arkanghelsk wrote:whether it was a cell phone or not - Those guys did not give a ****

They threw a party ...10km from the front

Those guys have some balls man

Yeah

And now both them and their balls are worm food

Should have opted to have some brains instead of balls

Allowing themselves to be killed by bunch of apes, fucking embarrassing

This will be the best lesson the new recruits could get.
And I am serious - even those with quite solid military backgrounds lack the perspective of how detailed recon is being provided to the Ukrs. They never fought the kind of opponents as well.
Have you noticed a radical drop in the shit the Chechens used to upload in every piece of net that sucked data? Toasting 30-40 of them taught the lesson well to most of the others. Now it will be no different.

Edt : is it what I think it is?

Sig int is something that you cannot limit. ****, cellphones are like letters in past wars. Censor and silence. I really hope the lesson was learned. Its a critical teaching lesson and I hope the class only had to be taught once.

Edt : is it what I think it is?

Bomb with wings. Differs from the proposed upgrade models seen so far.
Did they replace the tail section or are this the standard "stabilators"?



Ossetian

Can´t confirm if true or not.