Russian special military operation in Ukraine #32

Just like Putin had his max term limit coming up.

A term limit written by Americans... when in the entire history of Russia has there ever been any laws limiting how many years a leader can be leader?

No such law here in New Zealand or in the UK even... only corrupt America has such rules...

All he had to do to get around that was declare that his terms are magically resetting to zero and let's hold a referendum to affirm that. A referendum no-one I knew went to other than myself and that he won. Now you might say there was an understandable reason for such measures - namely this confrontation with the West coming up and the need to preserve stability. But it doesn't change the fact that the constitution was used as toilet paper

Your constitution was written with advise from American advisors and is more like a US constitution than a Russian one.

Not allowing Putin to continue in power because of a rule is stupid... let the people decide and don't eliminate options on arbitrary rules an enemy wrote for you.

Or take the same Kherson, a pro-Ukro city, even if only mildly, that didn't join in with the anti-Maidan uprising back in 2014.
Because it was judged necessary to achieve greater leverage in any future negotiations and send a message - a referendum was organized there and it magically became part of Russia too.

This is not Western propaganda, this is the way Russia works and its political elites' own attitude to all aspects of its statehood that are written down somewhere on paper. That they can be changed without notice as per expediency.

The real world works that way... land does not get a vote... the people living on it do... those are the wests rules in Kosovo and Falklands Islands... but apparently not in the Crimea or any part of Ukraine whose borders are somehow sacred and cannot be changed.

Russia is allowing free and fair referendums... if the people vote then let their voices be heard and RESPECTED.

I understand the EU and HATO don't respect votes that don't go their way... lose a vote and increase the propaganda and threats and then hold another vote again...

That Russia simply arbitrarily decided to hand that territory back over just as it took it in the first place, betraying promises to those locals that are loyal to them (even if offered evacuation from their homeland), and assassinating the deputy governor they themselves had installed.

Well after the assassination of Queen Elizabeth the second I can imaging the Brits will be wound up too... you are worse than Ark... WTF are you talking about handing any land back to the nazis? It has only happened in your head.

Car accidents actually happen and deaths in war zones don't have to be planned and executed by the Kremlin.

I'm not saying that's how it is BTW. I'm far from convinced that guy is even dead; the report of which sounding so strange that it was part of what convinced me that this whole Kherson pullout is part of a greater deception or trap. But if he is dead, just how the hell is Moscow supposed to ever find somebody to work with them on any territory ever again?

Obviously take away their Car Keys...  

And if they are fucking selling out those people then they don't need to work with anyone there anyway... but the obvious question would be... why mobilise more troops if you intend to fold like a bitch?

The west is feeling real pain and that pain is only getting worse... Putin has already created inflation in the UK, and no doubt inflation in other western countries is his doing too, so it will take time to get some real results so what exactly is the hurry to make deals and sell friends and new allies out... except if you are a pro Zelensky faggot trying curry points with your new paymasters... or as the west would say you are just a useful idiot... unpaid.

In this case, we're talking about morale on the home-front - and here perceptions are more important than reality, especially as no-one is doing a convincing job explaining reality.

The problem there would be that explaining your carefully planned and hopefully well executed trap or just plan for moving forward and putting the enemy under enough pressure that they surrender would also ruin those same plans and render them useless.

Your country voted him in to do a job... how about you lot shut the **** up and let him do it... wait till he actually fails before crying like little girls and I mean when the Russian military reports the failures... not the nazi bots on telegram pretending to be Russian conscript soldiers hunkered down on the front line.

And from this standpoint, Russia is its own worst enemy

NO. Some stupid fucking Russians are Russias own worst enemy.

But the timing is bad, and again, perceptions play their own role.

**** perceptions and shove them up Bidens Arse...

The perception that Russia is winning with 500K Russian soldiers dead is not better than what you currently have... perceptions are meaningless and useless except on the internet... you keep forgetting that.

Well, technically, if youre unable to supply a bridghead due to the enemy bombarding bridges too much, thats still a military defeat, just one not on the frontline.

No. Are you stupid? I guess the lack of a D day assault on France before 1944 means the western allies were defeated every day of the war leading up to the D day invasion.

Being unable to supply a bridgehead is only a defeat if you are fucking stupid enough to rely on that dodgy bridgehead and they defeat the troops you are trying to support because they could not be properly supported.

Avoiding a stupid defeat by ignoring pride or idiots on the internet is actually something the west would currently probably be incapable of.

Posted a couple of months past some interesting numbers concerning services versus production for Western economies and developing economies. The USA was 78% services and only 22% production versus China which was 56% services and 44% production. The average Western economy was 75% services and 25% production. If I remember correctly Russia was 58% services and 42% production.

The funny thing is that if the western economies collapse those high paid hedge fund managers and bank managers will remain in the service industry... but instead of being in big expensive offices they will be providing "services" in carparks and secluded back streets...    

Two R-73 under the wing, two RVV-SD under the engine nacelle, two R-37M under the centerplane and Kh-31P ?

I haven't seen an enormous number of photos of MiG-31s with R-37s even though they use them, but when they were first deployed the makers always said they were for new generation Russian fighters... and at that time they often listed them as being MiG-35, Su-35, and Yak-141 and the new next gen 5th gen fighter.

Well after all these decades we have not seen the R-37 near Su-35s or MiG-35s, so that claim has always been questioned by many, but now it is pretty clear it was true.

Note the 400km range of the missile requires a high speed high altitude launch that planes other than the MiG-31 would struggle with, but a 300km range should be expected, and such a missile is intended for use against enemy AWACS and enemy transport planes and enemy inflight refuelling tankers so even with a MiG-35s radar detecting an enemy AWACS plane should not be difficult at extended ranges if it is scanning.

The missile is fully ARH so it just needs to know the general location of the target and be launched in that direction...

NOTE: so a break would be nice Rolling Eyes

NYT: Winter break in conflict in Ukraine could last up to six months

Hahaha... yeah, because Russian forces don't like to fight in the winter... too cold.

And ll the gun loving Trumpistas are looking at it with their dicks in their hands and their eyes set on 2024 already - not for a small part due to the GOP being complete sell outs, many completely bought off by the System.

The more they think their elections are getting stolen from them and they are abused by the democraps... well... where does that path lead?

Everybody with half a brain saw this coming from miles away. People just don't want to see/admit the system is completely broken - because that would require action and Americans are scared of that, unless it incorporates bitching online of course.

The only fix is a civil war and they need a lot more pressure and tension for that...

Defeatists say Russia will withdraw from the rest of Kherson Oblast by the end of the year as reinforcements are underway on the border with Crimea. They also claim that leaving Kherson is part of some sort of deal. This is quite an absurd statement.

Defeatists always know exactly what is happening... because they make it all up for themselves... start rumours and then disappear and enjoy the damage they do.

Sparta has shown us that the ideal trench clearing tool is aquadcopter with flir dropping grenades or preferably mortar shells.A rudimentary CCIP would be extremely useful too. Why hasnt russian industry started serially producing such quadcopters? Theres such prototypes since may at the army expos and the wagner building has displayed some. Why arent they being mass produced yet?

What makes you think they aren't being mass produced?

They already showed what appeared to be 40mm grenades of double normal length with plastic tail fins added for use from drones... a few PG-7 rockets with the safety fuse caps removed would be very effective against troops and armour.

90% of their drones are shot down after a few minutes. Waste of white paint.

Operating drones it would be hard to work out what is friendly territory and what is enemy held and presumably enemy drones would need to fly over friendly forces to get to enemy forces to get shot down so markings like that would stop friendly drone operators jumping the gun so to speak.

If a large counter offensive by Russia doesn't happen this winter, this war is over. Important next few weeks and months coming up.

Mommy and Daddy... if I don't get a pony this Christmas I am going to run away from home and try to find a mommy and daddy who actually love me and will treat me like the princess that I am.

Thinking like this and underestimating the enemy is why Russia is on the brink of a humiliating defeat if drastic measures aren't taken soon to actually compete in this war.

Humiliating to whom? The west hates their guts and wants them dead and wants the rest of the world to hate them too... but that is not working.

Putins job is not to impress internet warriors like yourself... the fact that you claim he is doing a bad job when you don't know what he is doing just shows you up as the enemy... or an idiot the enemy finds useful.

Last time I was told that water from the dam is in the process of being released, its been at least 4 weeks since then, how long does it take for the entire dam water level to be emptied? Its as if its taking forever, If this is the case then just blow the entire dam and be done with it

That dam probably took years to fill and you think you can empty it in a few weeks?

Blowing the dam is what the Russian forces withdrew to avoid.

If the Ukrainians move enormous forces into the flood zone then blow the dam yourself but I doubt they are that stupid... I also thought Saakashvili would not be stupid enough to attack VDV troops in South Ossetia and I was wrong there too, but blowing the dam up with no reason to do so makes no sense.

We are talking about how the J-20 might lack this or that, but the missing point is that they are capable and mature enough to be produced in dozens. A quantity is a quality of its own, as Stalin said once - nothing changed.

If it kills the pilot by suffocation but can use its after burner for more than 90 seconds and the tail does not fall off then it is better than the F-35... the problem with the problems with the F-35 is that rather than fixing the problems they just shift the goal posts and make it pass where before it failed.

If the oxygen system supplies breathable air for 40 minutes the limit all combat flights to 38 minutes or less and the problem is dealt with... but not solved.

That looks to me like Ukrainian going to fortify the city and make it fire control just like Avdeevka.

If they withdraw their own civilians then encirclement and siege for the next 10 months would be the easiest way of dealing with them... all the while picking off anything that pops its head up with suicide drones.

It will get worse in Russia too.

They can put up with a bit more hardship than the west... and for them it will be well worth it.

Western hardship mostly comes from most of the wealth of the west being funneled into a very small number of pockets of already very rich people... if that does not change then there is no hope for the west.

And about those millions "lost", a lot of them are coming back. With Russia constantly retreating and looking weak, Ukranians aren't even that scared anymore. They'll put up with the occasional rocket/drone attacks in cities...they're used to it by now.

Used to what... a few weeks of the lights being off... they haven't seen even a fraction of what their fellow countrymen have had to deal with for the last 8 years... that is coming next... it is good they are coming home to enjoy that...

Sounds like they want to repopulate their country so then they can retreat and get votes in referendums and win that way...

It would be their only chance of winning.

Ukraine already planning the next offensive, apparently 50 thousand troops are in this area ready to attack very soon. This is what retreating gets you smh..."But but but......we retreated for better defensive positions" lol.

Are you not paying attention Billy... the Russians previously retreated in places where their forces were thin... the Orcs with HATO support probably located such areas and chose those places specifically for their attacks... a common sense thing to do.

But now they have more men and that means more gunners and more loaders and more weapons pointed at the enemy, so they are much better equipped to fend off a cannon fodder attack and with the civilians mostly moved out of the area they can shell and bomb the crap out of any areas behind the front line delivering rockets or artillery shells to support their operations as well as drones to blunt attacks.

Let them attack... that is a good way to kill them in large numbers... men crossing open terrain in large numbers are ideal targets for artillery and air power and well positioned ground forces.

Don't say I didn't tell you so! I already said this months ago

Yes, you supported the nazis before so it makes sense you still support them because obviously nothing has changed and a new force of 50K marching through terrain prone to flooding below dams the Russians control is of course going to be successful where a month ago a force of 30K gained a little ground and then got pushed back in most places they took mainly because most places they took were empty undefended areas.

Now they have started to use suicide drones in large numbers and have send rather large numbers of troops to the front to reinforce it...

Who knows what will happen...

To expect Ukraine to roll over from blackouts and lack of heat is hilarious

Nobody expected them to roll over due to lack of heat now... it isn't cold yet...

Winners will deliver the goods, losers willd drop you cold, we learned that the hard way and nobody is in the mood for refresher course, we had more than enough of those

Well at least it hasn't made you bitter.

The hysterical optimists on this forum

Hysterical?

You are the one claiming Russia is losing if they don't mount some suicide charge immediately and show those guys on telegram how tough they are...

Trump was as dumb as you too... he went into power promising cooperation with Russia where it made sense for the US and his political opposition goaded him in to putting more sanctions on Russia than any previous US president... and that was without this conflict to justify those sanctions.

Cry and moan and bitch about how Russia is letting the enemy win... suck that American nipple... ignore they are blue and ice cold and belong to Hilary Clinton... and her ilk...

And what good are such "feel good" memes ?

What good are Odysee videos by comrade wolf ?

What good are the Clownish music videos posted by podlodka?

What good are the token support by western outcasts?

When there are no facts or made up facts that have not been refuted from the doomsayers then memes can be amusing.

Seems that flag BS was just BS... what a shock... but on to the next obvious piece of evidence that Putin is a woman stuck in a mans body screaming for the west to win this new cold war and save him... he is now post op so you wont see him with his shirt off...

Token support from the outcasts of the west reminds Russia they are right and butthurt  from Serbia and even from Russia itself should be ignored when they are clearly wrong.

I guess you come from families where your parents thought motivation comes from verbal abuse and you can only be independent when you abandon your family and try to survive on your own.

Yes and no! If there really is a plan behind it and the Russian troops suffer far fewer casualties then the strategy can be successful. But if there is no plan behind the withdrawal, but weaknesses in the army or the political leadership, then Russia can also lose the war.

And how likely is it that they didn't have any plans at all and so the reaction was... lets run away and then make a plan...?

The problem is...we don't know the real reasons! For the Fanbois there is a sophisticated 5D master plan behind it for the Dommer the war is already lost. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle...yeah, it's not all happening in the Russian army, but I think they really have a plan.

Yes... of course... you genius... because the best plans are fucking obvious and any person with the slightest interest in the military on an internet forum can immediately work out what their plans are... but you are still wrong, because plans have to be flexible and often plans rely on certain factors like mobility on the terrain... flooded or frozen effects mobility which effects which plans will or will not work. Equally what the enemy does also effects the plan... do they move in enormous forces for their own attack on your new lines or are they more cautious and hold back... each choice requires different plans... if they move forward then encirclement and siege over winter might be the best option... if they hold back then strikes on their forces located in the rear might be the best choice... kill them out in the open in winter conditions.

But no, lets joke about 12D chess master Putin because ridiculing leaders is what the fucked up west does... but they are likely only half joking if you compare the economy and political and military situations in the west and in Russia...

Here's my question, good combat engineers are at a premium, why don't the Russians just crater Kherson, if they got all the people who want out, out of the city why not make it look like something on the moon? Also, if Russia is on the high ground why not open the dam and give the dirty nazis a bath?

Why shell mostly empty buildings... why waste ammo when it is better used on real targets?

Then there's the Russia is digging in and not going to attack, the NYT and Pentagram expect a lull in the fighting until spring.

Russia never said it wasn't going to attack.

50000 ukrainian troops are planning to attack zaporozhie. Does the russian army have enough troops to withstand this? Are there any fortifications there?

If you know, they probably know too... just pick the biggest areas of open field they would have to cross and drop some FOABs on them somewhere away from urban areas... and then TOS the rest... and then smerch with HE fragmentation munitions along their paths of retreat.

Why would Russia want to harm poor little Ukrainian troops? Apparently that's not the point of this war lol...Retreating and doing nothing is easier ha ha ha.

Which clearly shows you are not listening properly. Ukrainian civilians deaths should be avoided where possible... Ukrainian troops not surrendering should be taken out.

lsos wrote:

US softpower is way better than chinese still today.

Russia is forcing the US to use its soft power more and more and just like using the US dollar as a weapon, they are more powerful when they are not used because using them often breaks them.

The new world is the east with China at the top. Russia could by it's potential to produce and provide products, resources, intelligenzia and innovation shadow that of China, but we would need a population of above 500 mln. wrote:

If Russian was easier to speak I would think they might get a few more arrivals over the next decade or so from Europe... depending on how cold it gets.

Wouldn't it be a funny time for the gulf stream to suddenly stop and things get really cold...

Any truth to new direct talks in Turkey between Russia and Ukrainian delegates?

Ukrainian law stipulates not negotiations with Putin led Russia so no.