Russian special military operation in Ukraine #16

Arkanghelsk wrote:https://t.me/voenkorKotenok/36308

As long as these channels are influencing public opinion it will be a problem for leadership

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Again most won't care because of the professional army

But the view of army people themselves like Razvedos and Kotenok will spread in the ranks

Mir wrote:I did mention some time ago that the Ukrs will actually see very little of the gazillions of USD aid stuffed in coffins but here is much more realistic and more elaborate explanation from The Saker Blog >>  

https://thesaker.is/50-billion-in-lend-and-lease-or-why-the-us-is-doomed/

Mir wrote:

Vann7 wrote:there are two ways ,to defeat people in a trench.. one is the russian way using artillery day and night firing 100 strikes to kill one enemy soldier , and the other way the ukrainian way using drones .. which one is more effective?  

The 59th Motorized Brigade of Ukraine using drone-dropped munition to target troops in trenches

With drones you can see in real time , second by second where you strike and how many soldiers
are there and not have to wave hundreds of strikeks in an place that have no soldiers. notice how even cheap drones with unguided bombs can strike directly in trenches..   this is what is causing russia to lose so many soldiers..  russia need thousands of this cheap drones , they can damage the moral of soldiers even if you don't kill that many . but the idea of knowing the airspace is infested with drones
above you that can see you clearly where you are,cause fear on anyone.

Check this post by Hole >>
https://www.russiadefence.net/t8786p850-russian-special-military-operation-in-ukraine-15

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sepheronx wrote:

caveat emptor wrote:By talking openly about losses or mistakes made, you show accountability of the people that made those mistakes to your own population. If this is not shown, population will start to look for other sources of information and automatically, become more susceptible to your enemies propaganda.
@sepheronx
With all due respect me and you are not Russians, neither we live in Russia. We can have different views, but it's not our family and friends that are dying in Ukraine.
Making parallels with Navalny's videos is completely misplaced.

I will agree with smoothix12 in saying that telegram channel's doesn't actually mean reality.  A lot of lies being spread and Russians picking it up for their own benefits, either good or bad.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Ironic really, Russia went in to stop this but only made Finland and Sweden Join, now it will have NATO forces along a much bigger border.

Well to be fair, Finland was going to join soon enough anyways, all Ukraine did was speed things up.

Sweden was the one who joined cause of the war.

Now all we need is China joining CSTO and we got some videogame factions going.

sepheronx wrote:

caveat emptor wrote:

sepheronx wrote:

caveat emptor wrote:By talking openly about losses or mistakes made, you show accountability of the people that made those mistakes to your own population. If this is not shown, population will start to look for other sources of information and automatically, become more susceptible to your enemies propaganda.
@sepheronx
With all due respect me and you are not Russians, neither we live in Russia. We can have different views, but it's not our family and friends that are dying in Ukraine.
Making parallels with Navalny's videos is completely misplaced.

I will agree with smoothix12 in saying that telegram channel's doesn't actually mean reality.  A lot of lies being spread and Russians picking it up for their own benefits, either good or bad.

I agree that some of these channels have agenda. Mostly they want bigger involvement and more troops on the ground. Ru MoD, however, doesn't help situation with the situation by constantly giving same reports along the line of "everything is going according to the plan". This war is fought in propaganda arena, as well, and Ru MoD is utterly archaic and not adequate in that field.

It's hard, I'm not sure how they can resolve it either because if they give too much information, it becomes a problem.  As someone else said, the mod will respond when they feel it's best.  Rest are assumptions.

Will telling everything by the minute resolve anything? No. Add to that, it's people online that constantly come up with stories around everything, it becomes a whole task on its own to constantly try and pick apart all propaganda.

Hole wrote:I´m always laughing when reading statements like: "NATO is stronger then ever now!", "Finland and Sweden joining NATO means defeat for Putin!", "More troops on Russias border then before Putin´s demands!"

The offer last December was made to keep peace. Pull back your military where it were in 1997. Neutrality for Ukraine. Lets talk about arms contron treaties and so on.
This is off the table now. Russia doesn´t care anymore if there are more western troops at her borders or if Finland with his pathetic 26.000 soldiers joins NATO.
Her hands are untied now. The dogs are unleashed, baby.

In the next years Russia will field Tsirkon missiles on board every ship and sub that is capable of launching this sort of missiles + all Bastion complexes will get them, too.
The follow-on to Iskander will receive Kaliber-M and Tsirkon missiles and a new quasi-ballistic missile with multiple stages.
New hypersonic missiles for tactical and strategic aircraft will be fielded.
S-500 and other air/missile/space defence systems will appear.
Actually Finland uses consciption army, and there is a lot morehan 26 000. War time strength is aroud 285000 plus old farts in reserve, including me. Our mobilization system is very efficient compared toany other who is using conscript soldiers.

These statements from the west remind me of a little kid whizzling in a dark cellar.

Arkanghelsk wrote:https://t.me/uvznews/2056

The new t90M is being produced rapidly with good results in Ukraine, Uralvagonzavod is sending a new batch to our guys

crod wrote: Head of uki intel predicts august to be turning point in the war with complete Russian loss including Donbas and Crimea by end of year. He further stated that Russia military power is a myth and doesn’t understand what Europe is worried about. Some pair on him.

sepheronx wrote:And you are doing a good job assisting their stupidity. I hope you are proud of yourself.

Still won't do anything. But refrain from posting Ukrainian propaganda.

Proclaiming to be a pro russian this or that is just lying on your part. I read through the threads and found you to be rather an annoying individual with no real contribution other than mood swings worst than a woman on menopause.

And I know I'm not the only one who feels the same.

Good luck and I would suggest seeking mental help because you need it very much.  Please do it for your sake and not russias or someone else's.

crod wrote: Head of uki intel predicts august to be turning point in the war with complete Russian loss including Donbas and Crimea by end of year. He further stated that Russia military power is a myth and doesn’t understand what Europe is worried about. Some pair on him.

""There is no doubt that Ukrainians are pressed to the wall. And there is no doubt that $53 billion is a lot to help."

It prolongs this conflict, but Russia is still winning. So says the American military expert, former intelligence officer Scott Ritter:

"Russia continues to define what is happening as a special military operation. It is very important. Russia is not at war with Ukraine. If this were a war, it would be a completely different level of escalation."

PhSt wrote:
Can someone explain to me why Russia is allowing Ukrop forces to occupy areas around Kharkov? I thought the plan was just to lure them out of the cities to make them vulnerable to artillery strikes? But why are they allowed to secure territories? NATzO propaganda media is making a lot of noise about this right now. Russia shouldn't give its enemies any means to celebrate

The Russian Defense Ministry has published footage of the destruction of a pontoon ferry and a unit of the Armed Forces of Ukraine that attempted to cross the Seversky Donets.

During the reconnaissance and search operations of the motorized rifle unit of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, the calculation of an unmanned aerial vehicle revealed a unit of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces on infantry fighting vehicles that attempted to cross over a guided pontoon crossing.
Russian motorized infantry corrected artillery fire on the guided crossing and armored vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, who were hiding in the forest, the ministry said.

The pontoon ferry was completely destroyed and sank by artillery fire. Enemy armored vehicles with crews that managed to cross the pontoons during the battle were destroyed by fire from Russian gunners and crews of infantry fighting vehicles. Part of the armored vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was captured by Russian servicemen. Also on the opposite bank, armored vehicles and equipment of the pontoon-bridge unit of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed during an attempt to withdraw.

Hole wrote:In the next years Russia will field Tsirkon missiles on board every ship and sub that is capable of launching this sort of missiles + all Bastion complexes will get them, too.
The follow-on to Iskander will receive Kaliber-M and Tsirkon missiles and a new quasi-ballistic missile with multiple stages.
New hypersonic missiles for tactical and strategic aircraft will be fielded.
S-500 and other air/missile/space defence systems will appear.

sujoi wrote:
US has already officially proclaimed that goal is not to defend ukraine but weaken and collapse Russia. There is no walking back from such words.

Consequently, Putin has no option but to press for complete victory… else will just leave a Pakistan size problem (the problem Pakistan is for India) infact.