Russian special military operation in Ukraine #16

thegopnik wrote:So, are they the same patriots the Saudis used against Iranian drones?

Nope, the older ones.

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Just for laughs:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/22/syrias-barrel-bomb-experts-in-russia-to-help-with-potential-ukraine-campaign

This has to be one of the dumbest articles I've read to date.

That is because you are considering it from the wrong perspective.
A lot of efforts were placed to create a "barrel bomb" hashtag.
All the white and fluffy audience is already treated with the medicine and knows how to express rage about this bestiality.
Why not use it?

flamming_python wrote:3 fucking Su-25s?

Where do they keep getting these kamikaze pilots from?
I'm finding this hard to believe
And it's not like they can hastily train new pilots in weeks or something, the Su-25 is a complicated machine - anything that flies is, but especially military aircraft and jet aircraft.

Some are mercs, some are cadets.
They used to train foreign pilots, so they had a working military-grade aviation education.
I guess there are dozens of young folks in schools knowing how to start with a plane. Considering the situation, landing skill is not required ...

exactly when did they cut it off? if so, no surprize, they r losing there.

If you were following this thread you would know... do they not have windows at the troll farm you live on?

true, but not while targeting main Ukr. forces in the direction the Russian army is trying to advance.

What main Ukr forces? When they "counter attack" they get demolished by artillery and air power and part of that air power will be CAS aircraft and helicopters.

most of the pro-Russian made vids & Ukr. vids with downed helos I saw show Ka-52s.

All the vids I have seen from both sides show the same single Ka-52 that was forced landed in a field... the main rotors are still attached and the crew canopy doors are still present... and open... which proves it was a controlled landing that did not involve the crew needing to eject... which would result in the main rotors being ejected and the canopy being shattered as the seats burst through it.

Ironicly,the Germans too claimed that they had to attack the USSR in 1941 before it attacked them

Yeah, but Hitler was lying... his plans for living space in the east were in his book and pretty clear for all to see...

now Putin & his media assert that Ukraine was getting ready to attack L/DNR & later Crimea to retake them, so this operation came in the nick of time.

Captured documents seem to support that they were right, and you have to ask why they had their brightest and best trained forces on a front line half embedded into a region they had agreed to negotiate a peace with at Minsk...

In any case, as I said many times before, it's Russian nationalism vs. Western supported Ukr. nationalism, so it doesn't really matter who is the current real aggressor.

Yeah a child murderer will claim he was roughly handled during his arrest so both sides have some blame... lets call it even perhaps?

No.

The US is the instigator of this situation from the start, they removed all ukrainians from positions of power across the country and pushed an anti Russia agenda leading to the point where people were trapped in a burning building... those who tried to escape were shot and those that remained inside burned to death and there was no international outcry because the victims were pro Russian.

This war is about getting justice for these people and a whole lot more other victims we may never hear about because the western media are not interested in the crimes of their vassals.

The anti-Russia Ukrainians can't handle their freedom & can't create a viable state, having to prostitute themselves to the EU & NATO in the hope to divorse the Mother Russia for good.

What they did to their fellow Ukrainians makes me not really care about them at all... take a declared victim and put them in charge and see what animals they can be... it happened to the Jews and it was a tool used by Colonial Europe to control their colonies around the world... take a downtrodden group in a foriegn country and put them in charge... they will be brutal because they have been wanting revenge, but they owe their position of power to the western country that put them in charge so they will do as they are told, because their greatest fear would be to go back to being the underdog in society because they know there will be no escape next time.

Probably the reason the US is raising the stakes because the alternative is to go through a decline like the UK and France and Spain et al... but with no new super power to ride the coat tails of like they do.

According to him, the joint strength of Ukraine and Poland will allow to reflect any danger or any possible threat. So the plan is, if all else fails, to absorb/confedarate W. Ukraine into/with Poland & then at least that part will join the EU. Then "the wolves r full, & the sheep r whole".

Except you got it the wrong way round... W Ukraine and Poland are not the wolves, and Russia and Putin are very very hungry.

Claims the Orcs will fight... they put up with Nazi rule pretty easy... let these foreign Ukrainians leave and move to Poland instead of moving borders in Europe which are sacred according to the EU and HATO... except in Kosovo where they are not.

This has to be one of the dumbest articles I've read to date.

You just have to read as far as .com and you know it is shit.

I would say its bullshit that half the artillery rounds fired by the west are guided. No way. Each excalibur round costs $100K. How often do you really need such accuracy? THey are only accurate to 10m. vs 25m for a $2000 round. So fire 5 just to be sure.

Equally importantly the target might be an area target which means a single precision hit might not be enough... multiple hits might be needed to get the job done.

The point is that guided rounds will suit the Ukraine because if they try to form up a battery of guns to fire at one target they will be spotted and taken out.

Their tactics rely on individual vehicles firing a few rounds and then moving away before enemy fire can arrive... note the video above of that Vasilek mortar... now lets put this in perspective.... that 82mm mortar has a range of maybe 4km and the shallow angle it fired at those rounds would have travelled a very low trajectory that would be difficult to detect and track very easily... the video is 2 minutes long so they set up and fired a few shots and enemy counter battery fire was arriving within 2 minutes of when they opened fire. The M777 has good range, but it is not quick to set up or take down... once it has fired one shot they will have less than 2 minutes to move... no wonder these things get captured...

Where do they keep getting these kamikaze pilots from?
I'm finding this hard to believe
And it's not like they can hastily train new pilots in weeks or something, the Su-25 is a complicated machine - anything that flies is, but especially military aircraft and jet aircraft.

We have your family... you will fly or we will shoot you and your family. If you fly we let your family go.

Pretty simple.

It is actually good because counting them as air kills is more impressive than destroyed on an airfield or on the ground.

When you kill them in the air they have a pilot and fuel and probably ammo they likely don't have a lot to spare of.

I dont "call" for Russia to nuke Ukraine but if some of NATO vasals enters in Ukraine - nuke everything and burn it to the ground.

If HATO gets involved directly then it becomes a different war where nukes are a necessary tool to prevent all out war... but it comes down to the US... it is their choice how many Orcs die... and how many Poles and Europeans... what a scary thought... cause they don't care about their own people let alone foreigners...  

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