Russian special military operation in Ukraine #7

d_taddei2 wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Ukraines army even with all the side pieces is not 400k.

Actually.........

Ukraine before the war had around

250,000 personnel
220,000 reservists
70,000 national guard (with 40k of that neo Nazi battalions)
Territorial defence forces 35,000 with a further 140,000 reservists
borders guards 50,000
Police force 120,000

During the war
Mercenaries 20,000+

Forced conscription of males 18-65yrs would be tens of millions
Current statics for ages 16-49yrs is  11,149,646,
Although it's most likely some have fled or will be guarding military fuel, ammo, storage bases, key infrastructure in the west of the country. Although largely these untrained armed civilians now come troops will not be much use at best free up some trained solders, distribute aid, help retain law and order assisting police on looters etc, helping cordon off areas, help emergency services this is what they will be used for majority won't see frontline, as it would be bad news if battalions of untrained so-called soldiers being taken as POW.

So it's well over 400,000 even with death toll included.

Very false numbers only thing that was accurate was the active persona being around 250k.

What proof is there of 20k mercs? None

Their police force wasn't that massive,

Boardergaurds? that part of the army personnel of 250k

National guard first off that's Employees not all of that is military the actual number of that is under 20k.

You literally just looked at a wiki page.

reserves will always be a very hard to gauge thing a lot of people fled and a lot of reserves didn't come up

so yes that 400k number is horse shit it's 330k AT best and less than half is properly trained military personnel.

walle83 wrote:

Isos wrote:

Facts is that Russia forces have fucked up, and shown weakness and incomptense that make western leaders shake thier heads.

You should stop drinking ukrainian propaganda... try water it's very good for your body.

How is that Ukrainian propaganda? Does it seem to be going well for the Russians? They have stalled in thier progress and with a minimum of 7-10.000 kia just 4 weeks in its nothing but a disaster.

Hmm, only 7-10,000? Per the NYT the Russians have lost 50 thousand, which is kinda odd because that would mean an attrition rate of almost 100 percent. My guess is that the Pentagram and the Ukes are lying their ass off. I'd put Russian dead at about 1500 to 2500 and Ukrainian at about 15 to 20 thousand. BTW, what are your sources?

But by all means go Join the war in Ukraine, but you won't and will talk tough and that's just how people like you are.

Amusing considering this is a war created by the US.

I understand you and Walle are upset about all these dead nazis, they are so white and blue eyed...

We already know what would happen because one side has declared it wont take part at all... doesn't sound like the side most likely to win anything.

Ukraine is not worth a NATO-Russia war, it's just not.

Ukraine is the nazi bio weapon, nuclear armed point of the HATO spear... this is about eliminating a legitimate threat... the lack of spine on the part of HATO to defend their meatshield just shows what an empty ponsie scheme it really is.

All this time the big bad Russians are coming and when you finally corner them into fighting back you fold like a deck chair on the titanic...

Flaming, you good guy man, Russian always will be together in the end

If I banned the EU fanboys then such posts would not happen...

Nothing like external alien threats to make your differences seem unimportant.

I think Russia should be very glad that Nato nations dont join in, and why would they?

I think Russia is a bit confused... HATO was all about keeping the EU and Russia apart, there was never going to be a conventional war, this conflict is about as far as the west is prepared to go with a peer enemy, they simply don't have the balls for anything that might challenge them... they didn't even use helicopters and ground troops in Kosovo for goodness sake.

You now that much of Ukrains success is because of the western weapons they have recieved right?

What success, Russia is moving at its own pace and cleaning up areas and closing cauldrons and doing exactly what it wanted... the bulk of the Ukrainian forces are trapped in their positions in the east where they have been committing war crimes against their own people for 7 years... where is the success for Kiev or the US?

Its not the Russian sovet era weapons that is winning the war thats for sure. Ask any Russian tank crew.

You are pissed because they are doing it with old stuff... I can understand that...

So when was the last time that Russia lost ship by enemy action in the conflict?

It is just a ship.

When was the last time the US lost a state of the art stealth aircraft to enemy action in a conflict... not that long ago... at least twice.... F-117 and of course super secret stealth drones that Iran seems to be able to detect and deal with easily enough too.

The Alligator class is an old class of ship.

It was scuttled to prevent the ammo on board exploding.

In my eyes Ukraine proved to be much more tough and ready for fight

Nazis were always tough against civilians, now they are using foreign volunteers as suicide squads... it seems they hate westerners more than westerners hate Russians... very amusing really. You deserve each other.

- obviously has not much chance in direct confrontation in open space but urban warfare and guerilla tactics - they proved to be more than capable.

But have they?

The Russian forces are claimed in the west to have been stalled, but they seem to me to be holding positions blocking off urban areas and systematically breaking the Orc forces that attack them. Minor attacks on their convoys leads to them being shredded and their fighting capacity diminished, they really wont be able to keep this up much longer.

Also it is interesting how Russia was not able to establish no fly zone over Ukraine.

You mean the same way all of HATO couldn't manage that after 3 months in Kosovo?

No fly zones are western propaganda... if the Ukraine is not a no fly zone why do Ukrainian aircraft and drones keep getting shot down?

Why no HATO planes over Ukraine?

We had a British ship a while ago sail into Crimean waters but we never had any HATO aircraft fly over Crimean territory... wonder why...

Now chances for that are even less since West will help Ukraine with anti aircraft missiles.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA.... that is like the Elephant Man helping with hair and makeup...

What is Russia going to do with all these HATO weapons they will be capturing?

- Ukraine is successful so far to increase human and material costs on Russian side quite high. Also it is leading in information war on global stage.

They were always going to win the propaganda war in the west because western reporting is in the toilet, there is no critical thinking, they are just yes men sheep who report what they are told to report, but the problem for the west is that the rest of the world seems to have a much better understanding of what is actually going on and they seem to support Russia.

The Wests colonial history is coming to bite it in the arse.

Taking into consideration how much they are weaker side with modest resources it is very good result.

Taking into consideration all they had to do was not become a nazi russophobic toilet that bans languages and demonises neighbours they certainly are the weaker side.... mentally... and are doomed to likely not be trusted by Russia or the west again... their future is being Albania...

The one country that wants to trade with they they shun for the countries wanting them for this, if I was Ukrainian I would be taking those stingers and AT missiles the west gave us in to the EU with me for some fun.

I suspect most will just settle for making good money selling them to the Russians.

The sad thing is real people are dying in big scores for nothing basically.

Not nothing.... it is all about hurting and destabilising Russia, but the actual effect will be to unifiy it and make it realise the west is corrosive and hard core colonial... to the point where they will support real nazis and ISIS, and other extremists with money and weapons and verbal support.

It is what makes the west evil, but most in the west don't even notice or care... except when the price of coffee goes up or the price of fuel.

Also many of those soldiers on both sides will develop PTSP, they and their families will suffer for years and decades to come...

Hahaha... the monster with a heart... blame Russia and Putin for not putting out to the devil, while ignoring the crimes of the devil, but it is the Russian people that you are most upset about... perhaps that is why you openly support nazis and war criminals...

I will add Russian forces are also way too much spread and low in supplies.

That is western propaganda talking.

Attack on couple of big axes proved unsustainable with the forces Russia send since Ukraine is just way too big country. In order to contninue with invasion Russia will need send much more people and equipment.

Not at all... the central part of the country is where all the crops are and the west, well Russia is not interested in that shithole.

They have the coast and came in from above and have trapped most of the Ukrainian army forward deployed in Donbass and Lugansk territory... it is a classic pincer movement to trap their armed forces in cauldrons... pretty simple and effective stuff.

They just need to gradually take the towns in the south and eliminate the hard core nutters, sort out the people based on how they feel about Russia and Russians and then move on to the next town.

They are cleaning house... can't be done overnight because the rat infestation is serious, but they are managing it.

Ukraine is indeed low in ammunition and basics supplies, however country is not under weapons embargo and does have quite big financial assistance - so this situation will be overcome given there is couple of more weeks that they can keep this intensity of fighting. Time so far is on Ukrainian side.

Most of their ammo and fuel stores have been destroyed and their main armed forces groups are cut off... any fighting on open territory and they are mincemeat.

Time is not on their side because they have civilians to look after too and if those civilians turn against them they are in trouble.

There is that opinion from Strelkov, that Russia spread out over too many axis.
However he is thinking in terms of Blitzkrieg

They had to neutralise their Navy and cutting them off from the Black Sea will be useful moving forward, and also have two pincers coming around the forward deployed Orc forces.

The forces approaching Kiev.... well I don't think they should bother to take Kiev but having forces there is likely useful.

Of course this you usually do when you have a numerical superiority, not inferiority.

You don't need superiority in numbers if communication and tactics are good and your forces are well trained... coordinating air power and artillery makes your ground forces very powerful despite their low numbers.

Just another delighted assole. Again, one among the many, whom people mistake as being neutral/objective source.

I was told he was not Russophobic... yeah right...

In the meantime american soldiers/mercenaries burning fields in Syria and Iraq and their politicians steal money from Afghan children.

To be fair American troops were told by the CIA not to burn poppy crops in Afghanistan... so they helped with the crop there too...

Leave him alone. Like other pro US fanbois he is seeing how the russian hardware are working as advertized and it is eating him from the inside.

Yeah, take a step back and the butt hurt is amusing... even FP is showing how wrong he is with some posts I have upvoted...

I've requested GarryB to intervene.

You have, but as far as I am concerned he has not crossed any lines yet.

You guys insult the Ukies lol

We do because if they weren't so fucking stupid this conflict would never have been necessary, but they are now dying for the American dream... and the more of them that die the better the future will be for Russia and the Ukraine considering they seem rather keen to take civilians on both sides with them.

So its okay to insult the side you want to loose, a lot of Ukies are honest guys just defending their homeland from what they see a Russian Invasion and you celebrate their deaths.

You mean like those Syrians and Iraqis you said you would kill if they didn't do as your country demanded, they are talking on the internet, while you claim to have done this shit for real.... interesting double standard you have there.

So your request to ban him for saying the Russians are performing bad is just a dam joke but it does show your true colors, etc no better then the thing you claim to hate and be against.

He can make any request he likes, but unlike western websites neither is being banned... not even you... and that makes us different.

The best way to prove you wrong is to let you speak... the opposite of western values it seems.

We have seen pictures of Tohrs ditched roadside, enough said and those pictures are real.

Tor entered service in the 1980s, if it had a mechanical problem then towing it is not really a good solution.... being a military man you should know that any armoured force has follow up support forces that tow away vehicles and repair them.

More than half the supposed abandonned Russian vehicles turn out to be ex Ukrainian vehicles that likely became useless a decade ago for lack of support and money like those Tunguskas burned in open storage...

What a god dam disgraceful post, so anyone who is Ukie is a Nazi?

The ones shelling civilians in the Donbass and Lugansk regions covered in swastika tattoos and with nazi symbols on their uniform seem to be.

I don't think he should be banned because he is saying that Russia is doing badly, the big thing is, he from the west and west does war differently than Russia. So, he may not understand the tactics that Russia is using.

If the Ukrainians were all enemies of Russia, then there would be no fighting in the Donbass and Lugansk regions... they are fighting over speaking a language and trading with Russia.

I agree with this, this is how India. It may never change.

Well the challenge for Russia and China is to create an international space where countries like India and South Africa and many other countries can see a future for themselves that does not involve the west, and the west is pushing Russia and China and other countries to find that alternative future without them.

The west thinks by rejecting Russia and then taking on China that both will suffocate and die and shrivel up... the west cannot see a future for the human race where they are not in control.

Funny the 1% of the 11% want to control the 100% by fighting Russia and China.

Reminding the rest of the world is 89% of the worlds population is something very important and that most Russians and Chinese and Indians were forgetting... but not now... the western sales pitch sounds great... but when you get to taste it... well... have you seen the burgers at McDonalds in the adverts compared with what come in the little cardboard box?

There are videos of droves, literal droves of dead Azovites from Mariupol being spread now. Gruesome as I said earlier.

Looks like they were completely cornered and then just mowed down.

They made the whole trip necessary... they don't want to have to do it again.

Oh they are finally being honest they plan to annex most of ukraine if not all of it, good good.

Not at all, what she is saying is that the current Ukrainian government wont be in charge of any of the regions or republics that will exist when this is done.

In other words Zelensky wont be in charge of squat. He prepresents and cares about no one but himself.

HATO has more combat aircraft than Russia.

But it uses them for both air defence and also attack, which means operating against Russian forces with real air defence systems and anti aircraft missiles that are very very capable, both their attack and defence capacity is going to be wiped out very very quickly.... and as we saw in Afghanistan what HATO is like without air power.

Won't happen, just a scare tactic

She is not saying the Ukraine will be totally absorbed into the Russian Federation... what she is saying is that the clown and his regime has no future role in whatever the Ukraine decides to call itself and what it agrees to regarding boundaries and regions... obviously via referendum and elections.

No Nazis or pro EU or pro US or pro HATO parties allowed.

For the E3 not working good part: the attack on the "peacekeeping" = NATO base close to the polish border is proof of that. It was done mostly by air-launched cruise missiles fired from within russian airspace. The missiles were in the air for 2+ hours but the mercenaries at the base got no warning. Either the E3 radar isn´t as good as advertised, at least against low flying targets, or the Il-22PP bases in Belarus did some surgical jamming.

Not to mention the Ukrainian Tu-141 that seemed to defeat HATO air defences rather easily... it is not fast and it is not stealthy and it does not fly particularly low.

Putin left this between the lines at the last meeting with Macron: "in case of conflict, you won't even have time to invoke Article 5..."

Putin knows war with HATO is suicide so I suspect he meant if the conflict starts it will go nuclear before HATO can get together and decide what to do.

In case of a continental war, Russia must advance strongly to Germany to keep its industrial apparatus and resources. It is a weak country with a population of queers and homosexuals, but with a great industrial and technological capacity that Russia would do well to take over . It would not be a military problem, unlike France or Great Britain. Ukraine is stronger than Germany

But that is the thing... I think Putin has had enough from the west, any fighting with HATO will be self defence, or more precisely eliminating a threat, so it wont be conventional... the west is not Russias friend or brother, they have made it clear over the years they want Russians dead or suffering so any open conflict with HATO will be a war of elimination... ie nuclear conflict to eliminate a threat... there wont be invasion or occupation... probably just turn off the gas and close the borders.

I think that at least part of the Ukrainian territory will not return to Kiev. The south and east certainly don't. It will be an Afrin, a Golan. An "ad perpetuam" occupation.

Not occupation.... the Russians will leave (not Crimea of course) but Donbass and Lugansk and other regions will be given the choice to form a federation or regions or one region or whatever they want, but no EU and no HATO or US.

In my opinion, I don't think NATO is giving Ukraine combat assistance through the E-3 and other electronic warfare systems. If that happened, Russia would (rightly) consider it a military action and exercise its response.

They will certainly be watching what the Russian forces are doing... just like they did from Turkey in Georgia in 2008 or more recently in Azerbaijan/Armenia/NK conflict.

Thats right Mikey, as soon you dont agree with someone on a forum just ban him.

He is American... not sure how you can disobey this american yet are so eager to jump into the fire for the 1% Americans in control of western media and the US.

Facts is that Russia forces have fucked up, and shown weakness and incomptense that make western leaders shake thier heads.

You don't understand... it is over.... there is no going back after this... Mr Putin has finally given up trying to be friends and partners with the west... you have won, he realises you are scum and want only genocide for your colonial conquests.

Western leaders shaking their heads, western media demonising Putin for the last 17 or 18 years now... it is over... Russia is going to develop ties with the rest of the world and has given up on the west... this is a huge victory for the Russian people and is going to be something the west is going to have problems understanding and stomaching...

No more cheap gas for europe, it will go to asia now.

The beginning of the shift away from the west.

The West will probably get Kiev to accept Russian demands, and then that will be that

The west has had enormous ranges of options for compromise and peace and they wanted and have gotten war and their claims of war crimes and other bullshit is just their propaganda... fuckem.

The west will have nothing to do with what Ukraine becomes.

Well I dont agree with all your points but in general yes. But thanx for a serious response anyway.

Repeating an entire conversation to post a one line response breaks the rules... lots of other people are doing it so this is a warning to everyone to stop doing that now please.

How is that Ukrainian propaganda? Does it seem to be going well for the Russians? They have stalled in thier progress and with a minimum of 7-10.000 kia just 4 weeks in its nothing but a disaster.

I think after looking at these bioweapons labs and the threats of nuclear weapons in the hands of Zelensky that Putin might shift focus for the Russian military to start looking at more seriously dealing with bio weapon threats, and also building up Russias nuclear arsenal to ensure the proper exitinction of the west in case it is needed.

New types of salted nuclear weapons that are really truely destructive and toxic to make sure there are really no survivors...

But I suspect bio weapons... US funded experiments in Chinese labs show how such a bio weapon would spread because that is what Covid is, and American bio weapon... now that we know we can start to work to defend ourselves from them and their insidious evil plans.

Humor me, what was their takeaway from the Chechen wars?

Should have been that the west is trying to weaponise religious nutters in our country to use against us... perhaps we should do the same to them.