Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov #3

Yeah, sometimes nationalising industries is not the ideal way, especially if governmental crooks are sent there to "manage" them, but if it is a strategic industry and the managers are incompetent (furthermore if it is a former state industry which was "privatised" in the 90s) then there is no alternative.

Government and private sector crooks come in two main types... thieves and 5th columnists, but can be all sorts of combinations of both.

In airlines that could be claiming western parts have international support networks in place so it would be cheaper to buy the expensive western parts... for which they get a nice compensation package from the western parts making company. That person could be a government appointed CEO or a private sector CEO.

Or that guy who got Russian funding to develop his amazing new diesel engine for a light training aircraft who insisted in setting up business in Germany... you don't think he was bought?

If it is a strategic industry you promote people up through the factories and you make them managers but part of a Government run organisation like UEC and OAK etc etc.

And hopefully national industries nowadays are better managed than in the past.

Hope should have nothing to do with it... many managers taught the western methods of management should be sent to concentration camps and deprogrammed and turned back into humans.

All human resource departments should be burned to the ground because people are not resources to be used up and discarded.

Your staff is what lets you provide the services or products to your customers and are more important than your tooling and machinery.

If it was a privately created industry from the inventive and effort of its founder, and which encountered difficulties because of external factors, then I would say that the state could (and should) help it via providing long term loans with little or no interest.

Who cares who created the company that currently does the job, if they can't get the job done then there will be a list of other companies wanting the contracts, the problem is when companies expect the contracts because they are in the best position... a bit like a new contract for a fighter plane for Russia... Sukhoi would think it would have that in the bag... now in some companies they will relax because there is no real competition... and that is not what you want because half arsing a job does not deliver good products and good prices in good timescales.

Equally of course when there is cut throat competition then companies will try to undercut other companies or steal technology or engineers and might end up with a contract they are going to lose a lot of money on. You can't run a business that way.

But since Zvezda was a state owned company founded in 1932 in soviet union (and stolen in the 90s) and now probably just owned (at least partially) by either incompetent people or by crooks who are only descendants or friends of the people who stole it 30 years ago, I would say that there are enough reason to expropriate it. The owners can be paid the same amount of money that was used to "buy" it in the 90s and sell it to the state, or end up in prison for compromising a strategic industry in semi-war times.

To clarify: Stealing a state company is not not private entrepreneurship.

Lots of companies have been returned to state ownership because corruption in the purchase procedure was normal back then, which makes returning it to national ownership pretty straight forward.

There is no guarantee that the old managers were corrupt or that the new managers wont be corrupt, but a look at the books at how profits were used and how much of their profits ended up being put back into the business to make it more efficient and able to handle larger jobs and wider variety of more complicated jobs is usually the best indicator, and how wages changed over time for the workers actually doing the work that mattered.

Western companies are so focused on profits for management and investors that they forget who actually does the work.