European gas imports

Aristide wrote: I prefer freedom over cheap gas.

Your country wants to be a vassal of the USA and wants cheap Russian gas too.

Who gives a shit about your own opinion.

What can Russia offer other than grey cities, desperation, poverty and corruption? Nothing. Thats why Ukraine and others want to escape its influence. And we will not push those away who call for our help.

Wrong sentence. Here is the correction:
"What can Ukraine offer other than grey cities, desperation, poverty and corruption? Nothing. That's why Russia does not want Ukraine".

Aristide wrote:I prefer freedom over cheap gas.

Poopy-butt Bidet will spread his cheeks so prepare to inhale all the cheap gas you want! Oh and here's the salty EscarGaul freedumbs that he's bleating about!

Russia is our main enemy since late 16th century, so dont be ridicolous.

In that time the US and UK and Germany and Italy and most of the countries of the EU were also your enemy.

BTW our new Portuguese friend is not familiar with the rules but you should know better.

Posting entire conversations is not allowed and you know it... the next conversation you post after this reply is posted will get you a one week time out.

What you say about racism like this?

You only think it is racist because you are racist.

You don't look pure ethnically white... only a racist would object to that description.

And about the gas - again you don't have a choice. Either Europe will buy Russian gas from pipelines, or it will buy Russian gas from LNG carriers, and that will pretty much be the pattern for the next 20-30 years, until hydrogen takes over full-swing which Europe will also buy from Russia in huge amounts.

Exactly... only Russia can provide the volumes of gas that Europe requires now, and other existing sources are drying up at a time when solar and wind generation is failing so demand is going to increase... in fact in addition to more Russian gas Europe will likely cancel the closing down of coal fired plants too to make sure the lights don't go off.

There are other suppliers.

If there were you would already be using them. The EU didn't just get pissed off at Russia as you state... if Russian gas wasn't the best deal they never would have considered buying it... let alone making two sets of new pipelines... South Stream II and NSII.

The very fact that EU currently does evrything to stop NS II and to also cut trade with Russia completly proves me right.

Just saw an interview with Spongebrain Poopypants and a German government official and the reporters talked to Spongebrain about ending NSII and Spongebrain claimed it was dead if Russia invades, but the German official was rather quiet and they didn't ask him if Germany would comply.

When you say the EU is currently doing everything to stop NS II, what you mean is Americas closest and best performing poodles want it closed down, while the rest want the cheap gas bypassing the crazy country of thieves.

Its a core french interest to force russia out of european energy markets

Funny when interests converge like that... it would be better for Russia to break clean from the west and partner with China and other countries sick of western bullshit.

Qatar itselfs has most of its stock sold in long term contracts to asia but miracously now ships gigantic amounts to Europe. Gas which is supplied by Iran. Iran needs money, Europe needs gas. Perfect match.

Hahahaha... they are only selling to Europe because the prices are over $1K... Russia was selling for less than $200 for the same amount, so you are going to be paying five times more for gas... but of course that wont effect your competitiveness in the world, and the gap that would create in teh Asian market means opportunity for Russia to sell at a much higher profit margin than they sell in Europe...  so I would say go for it... do it... I double dare you...

The real beauty would be all the fines that the EU will have to pay for closing NS II,and of course the counter sanctions that Russia could then apply to these European sanctions on Russia... they can take their time and really make them hurt.

As i said, pushing snowy Nigeria down to 10% is manageable.

You will be paying five times more so only providing 10% when they were providing 30% means selling 1/3rd of the gas they currently sell, but earning 5 times more for it... so that means you will be paying about 60 percent more for 33% of the gas you are getting now... only delivering 1/3rd the gas they deliver now and getting paid 60 percent more than what they are currently paid... that mark up will all be pure profit because it will be cheaper to send less gas... they don't have to make the stuff... just pump it to you.

As much Putled dreams about USSR 2.0, this abhorrent monstrosity wont come back.

If Putin wanted USSR 2.0 during the last 22 years he could have added Georgia and Ukraine and Belarus and most of the Stans... who have all been very vulnerable to invasion at different points of the last 22 years.

The fact that he has taken no steps to do that suggests you are wrong, but don't let the facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory.

In fact looking at the expansion of HATO I would say the US is trying to create its own zombie USSR/EU monstrosity to pay for its MIC which is insatiable, and to provide troops for its endless wars of stealing resources around the globe... can't be too harsh... they learned it from you and the UK.

In the last months russia did reduce gas delivery to europe in an attempt to force us to accept their rule over eastern europe.

They sent the gas that was ordered and paid for. To expect them to send gas that has not been ordered is ridiculous.

Lack of gas storage is not Russias problem.... they have gas pipes for direct delivery, those gas storage sites are yours... you pay to fill them and there is no problem.

It did not work, europe stands united against russia and now wants to reduce gas imports from russia permanent. With Iran alone we can push down russia to 19%. Its a good start.

You are currently violating that agreement you had with Iran by not investing and imposing US sanctions on them... do you think they will sell gas to you in such a situation?

If you start living up to the JPOA agreement that will piss the US off and also Israel too, so you are not going to do that either.

Europe will continue with Russia gas and have two major factors for that: european competitivity and the China factor.

The EU with their spot price BS have already pushed Gazproms earnings through the roof... Poland wanted the way of calculating the gas price changed and they won that right in a European court so Gazprom had to pay Poland 1.5 billion for the 4 or 5 years the price calculation was in effect... since then Gazprom has made an additional 4 billion from Poland because the new pricing system has made their gas price go up dramatically over just a couple of years and now Poland wants to go back to the old calculation system.

I rather suspect they have also made good money on other contracts that weren't changed... but they could make even more money simply by piping their gas to Asia.

I can't see a united Europe, Hungary went back to long term contracts and is now buying at 20% or so of the cost of all its neighbours. Brussels must be spitting blood.

And they might order more than they need so they can sell to their neighbours at a nice tidy profit... that will be how the EU does it... Russia sells to Hungary and Turkey so when the rest of the EU buys Russian gas it will be Hungarian and Turkish gas....

The moment Putin attacks Ukraine, the pipeline is dead.

Hahaha... Putin is not attacking the Ukraine, except if Kiev attacks the Donbass or Lugansk...

Macron says that energy independency from russia is a core inteerest of an independend Europe.

Should be more interested in getting the chains attached you your testicles and nipple rings cut from that leash the US drags you round by.

If we give up Ukraine, next would be Poland, Baltics and Scandinavia. You dont stop corrupted tyrants with appeasement. Its that simple. If we dont stop this now in a few years those barbarians would stand at our borders. This is about far more than gas. Its about our freedom.

Russia doesn't want those places... they sent troops to help Syria against terrorists... they sent nothing to the Ukraine to fight nazis.

Work it out for yourself.

I googled moscow subway and saw goats, dead bodies, drunken people and terror victims.

Google goggles are not worth the money you spend to use them....

How much longer would this person be allowed to troll and pollute this thread?

Apart from the conversation quotes he is not breaking the rules.

There are no rules about being wrong on this forum, which is why everyone gets a say... perhaps you might want to use the ignore function for that particular user.

Never asked yourself why Russias neighbors seek all security from Russia?

They deserted that ship really fast, but I suspect quite a few might be regretting that impulse move as they get forced to take migrants from Africa and don't get all the money they hoped to get...

There have been news articles from Baltic countries where reporters have mentioned eastern european values align more with Russian values than with current western ones regarding sexual deviance just as one example.

So the open warning to everyone... please stop posting conversations... if you don't know how to quote correctly just use the @ and the persons username to continue the conversation, so for instance...

@Aristide
Please follow the rules regarding posting conversations or we will have problems.

Continue to be honest and tell the truth, some of us do appreciate that honesty even if we don't agree with your views and ethics.

Written by – Elijah J. Magnier:

The United States of America, Europe and other Western countries are advertising and preparing as if the war between Russia and Ukraine were taking place “at any time”.Still, it seems Russia and Ukraine are not aware of the so-called “invasion plans”.Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskysaid that the “information” about a potential Russian invasion is “only provoking panic and not helping us”. Westerners have been instructed to evacuate Ukraine as quickly as possible so that the chaotic Afghanistan experience, where America withdrew hastily and in disorder, would not be repeated. The Kremlin denies any intention to invade, alleging that the “Anglo-Saxons need a war at any cost”: they are spreading misinformation and triggering provocations. Still, this frenetic campaign indicates that there is enough time yet for a planned and deliberate withdrawal, not a withdrawal without opportunity. But what will happen to Europe and its gas needs, mainly Germany and Italy, when Washington decides to provoke a war and that the Russian-German 1,230 kilometre gas pipeline “Nord Stream-2” would be blocked in this event?

Europe relies on Russia to import natural gas for more than 46.8 per cent of its needs, and much less than that for importing Russian oil, on which it is that depends in the first place.

The European countries importing most Russian gas are – according to Eurostat – Germany, whose quantity reaches above 65% of its needs, followed by Italy 43%, Greece 39%, the Netherlands26%, France 17%, Sweden 13%, Spain 10%, Portugal 9.7% and Belgium6.5%.

Consequently, America “agrees” with Europe and behaves as if it owns the ultimate decision of peace or war while carelessly risking cutting off Russian gas if it happens which is expected to be very painful for the European population. The US will not be affected but will by the same token reiterate its dominance and influence over Europe.

President Vladimir Putin is prepared to confront any US-European sanctions decisions by agreeing with China– without necessarily welcoming a possible attack on Ukraine – and Iran to face the potential forthcoming challenges. Since Donald Trump was in power, the US has given clear indications of its use of SWIFT, the world’s most extensive messaging payment system, and weaponizing the dollar as a sanction weapon that Biden is close to using among other financial sanctions to cripple the Russian economy.


Part article then paywall https://ejmagnier.com/2022/02/14/why-is-europe-paying-the-price-for-the-us-provocation-of-russia-re-ukraine/

Wow if correct. They are about to have to order a lot more gas and as a minimum run NS1 at 110% capacity like last March.

If they don't go back to contract Russia will be making huge surplus profits.

ASB News / MILITARY@ASBMilitary · 20h

RUSSIA: “Underground gas storage facilities (UGS) in Europe were 95.3% empty as of February 17, as well as Ukraine’s underground storage facilities — also at a minimum.” — “Europe has 4.7% of gas left for the winter”

JohninMK wrote:Wow if correct. They are about to have to order a lot more gas and as a minimum run NS1 at 110% capacity like last March.

If they don't go back to contract Russia will be making huge surplus profits.

ASB News / MILITARY@ASBMilitary · 20h

RUSSIA: “Underground gas storage facilities (UGS) in Europe were 95.3% empty as of February 17, as well as Ukraine’s underground storage facilities — also at a minimum.” — “Europe has 4.7% of gas left for the winter”

Time to reduce pumping to U-rope. All the threats and the terrorism need to be punished.

kvs wrote:

JohninMK wrote:Wow if correct. They are about to have to order a lot more gas and as a minimum run NS1 at 110% capacity like last March.

If they don't go back to contract Russia will be making huge surplus profits.

ASB News / MILITARY@ASBMilitary · 20h

RUSSIA: “Underground gas storage facilities (UGS) in Europe were 95.3% empty as of February 17, as well as Ukraine’s underground storage facilities — also at a minimum.” — “Europe has 4.7% of gas left for the winter”

Time to reduce pumping to U-rope.   All the threats and the terrorism need to be punished.

Just continue to supply against contracts and not bid to supply on the spot market. Then sit back to see who cracks first, Hungary showed the way.

I know its not gas but Brent getting close to $100

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/qatar-can-divert-up-15-its-gas-exports-2022-02-22/

DOHA/LONDON, Feb 22 (Reuters) - Neither Qatar nor any other single country has the capacity to replace Russian gas supplies to Europe with liquefied natural gas (LNG) in the event of disruption due to a conflict between Russia and Ukraine, Qatar's energy minister said on Tuesday.

With most of Qatari volumes are locked into long-term contracts mostly to Asian buyers, the amount of divertable volumes that can be shipped to Europe is only 10-15%, Saad al-Kaabi added.

Kaabi's comments renewed concerns over Europe's security of gas supplies as tensions escalated between Russia and Ukraine on Tuesday after Moscow ordered troops into two breakaway regions in eastern Ukraine. read more

"Russia (provides) I think 30-40% of the supply to Europe. There is no single country that can replace that kind of volume, there isn’t the capacity to do that from LNG," Kaabi told reporters at a gas conference in Doha.

"Most of the LNG are tied to long-term contracts and destinations that are very clear. So, to replace that sum of volume that quickly is almost impossible," he said.

The United States and its European allies are set to announce fresh sanctions against Russia after President Vladimir Putin formally recognised the independence of the two regions in eastern Ukraine. The sanctions could affect the Russian flow of gas into Europe.

Germany on Tuesday halted the Nord Stream 2 Baltic Sea gas pipeline project, designed to double the flow of Russian gas direct to Germany. The move sent gas prices higher on Tuesday read more

Qatar and other countries such as Japan have recently been approached by the United States to reroute gas supplies to Europe in case conflict escalates. read more

Sources told Reuters that Qatari LNG exports have been lower over the past few days as two of its mega trains have been down, another factor that could limit the spare amount to be sent to Europe. read more

Japan said earlier this month it will divert some LNG cargoes to Europe after requests from the United States and the European Union. read more

However, the few cargoes that arrived to Europe were cargoes already scheduled under a joint venuture between Japan's JERA and France's EDF and there was no incremental added supply.

Currently facing a cold spell that has depleted LNG inventories, Japan is experiencing re-stocking demand and so it needs more LNG supply.

"We’ve not seen anything concrete happen to supply yet. That could obviously change, but clearly, Qatar and Japan will be limited in their ability to help with extra cargoes if Europe loses access to Russian gas," said Robert Songer, LNG analyst at commodities intelligence firm ICIS.

The bottleneck right now is the LNG port capacity in the EU. So even if Qatar could throw more supply, it can't be unloaded.

what about eastern mediterranean gas fields?

George1 wrote:what about eastern mediterranean gas fields?

At best their combined capacity could replace southern gas infrastructure like TurkStream. But TurkStream has already been built and is in operation with long term contracts. There is no way it can replace northern gas at least in the near future. Then you have this.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-netherlands-gas-idUSKCN1VV1KE

Several northern European gas fields are nearing depletion. Only viable replacement on medium term is Russian gas.

That gas field in the Netherlands alone used to produce 54 bcm in 2013. Supposed to be shut down in middle of this year.

This is all smoke and mirrors... Russia has enough gas to supply the EU market and has never actively refused to supply it or used supply as a political or economic weapon against the west.

The only problems were when gas supplies paid for didn't arrive because they had been stolen by the Ukraine, which was hardly something Russia could control.

This bullshit which is a combination of EU policy against long term contracts... which create volatility which increases prices, and US pressure regarding NSII when existing pipelines are already capable of meeting the needs of the EU so that is all BS too.

The issue of course is that gas is running out in Europe and they are not buying gas at spot prices because the spot prices are huge and not really affordable... even if they did buy at those prices their customers likely would not pay that for the gas and would likely look for alternative energy sources.

This does not suit the EU except as an excuse to buy more expensive US gas instead of cheap Russian gas, so while politically they will love it, the citizens paying the price will hate it and will suffer because if there were cheaper options they would already be using them... they don't want to send money to Russia for any reason except the obvious selfish reason that cheap energy is good for any economy.

And that is probably the plan... get Europe off Russian energy to cut that income for them.

As with most of their cunning plans this one is terribly flawed.

Russia is doing Europe a massive favour selling cheap energy to them... they are being good neighbours to do that, because of all the bullshit they get in return is really not very neighbourly at all.

If the US or Brussels manages to kick Russia out of Europes gas market, the Russians will just shift to the Asian market.

Russia selling cheap gas to Europe means other markets pay more for their gas which makes them more profitable which is why the US and middle east sell their gas to Asia.

When kicked out of the European market, Russia is going to shift to Asia or Africa or Central and South America to sell their cheap gas, which means they will likely dominate those markets by drastically reducing the going rate for gas... which will free up a lot of US and Middle East gas supplies who can shift to Europe.

You of course see what is going to happen...

Europe will start having to pay a lot more for gas, but as it is cleaner than coal it will have to get EU subsidies so that gas is used instead of coal which burns dirty.

Asia will get a new supply of cheap relatively clean energy (cheaper than wood and coal burning), which will be dominated by Russian companies trying to keep the price low because if it is cheap then more customers will start using it.

Cheap energy is always good for any economy.

Europe is shooting itself in the foot... Russia should let them.

When the US finally makes up some excuse to demand that NSII be cancelled, Russia can claim ownership of the pipeline they finished and disconnect it from Germany and back out of the danish waters it went through and complete it in to Kaliningrad where they can use the gas themselves and fill ships to send to Africa and the Atlantic side of Central and South America.

Czech press: Without gas supplies from Russia, the Czech economy will last no more than 40 days


If Russia suddenly stops supplying gas to European countries, the fuel reserves in the Czech Republic's gas storage facilities will last only 40 days.

This is stated in an article by Miroslav Petr published by the Czech newspaper Lidovky.

Since the beginning of the Russian military operation in Ukraine, the imposition of the most severe sanctions by the European Union against the Russian Federation has become almost inevitable. In this case, according to the author, the European economy will be hit hardest by the cessation of gas supplies from Russia, because the Czech Republic considers Europe vulnerable because of the need for Russian gas.

Every year, the EU countries receive approximately 170 billion gas from the Russian Federation, covering almost half of its needs. At the same time, it is not possible to replace this volume by contacting other suppliers.

Peter believes that such a situation in the energy sector makes European countries critically dependent on Russia.

The record low volume of stocks in storage is insufficient for the normal functioning of the economy of the Czech Republic and Europe as a whole.

The Czech Republic does not lack gas storage facilities, but they are now only twenty percent full. According to experts, the reserves should be enough for about forty days, provided that the gas will be spent only on heating homes, medical institutions and other primary needs.

The author comes to the conclusion that Moscow can keep the Europeans on their toes and dictate their terms to them, using gas supplies as leverage for this. Under such conditions, the economy of the Czech Republic, and indeed of the whole of Europe, may slide into recession.

https://en.topwar.ru/192738-cheshskaja-pressa-bez-postavok-gaza-iz-rf-jekonomika-chehii-proderzhitsja-ne-bolshe-40-dnej.html

The problem with the west is that they continue to listen to their own experts and advisers who clearly don't understand Putin at all.

You pay for long term contracts and pay on time and you will continue to get gas from Russia.

If you try to make it political and use it as leverage to force Russia to do this or that by threatening to not buy their gas and before they might do a few things to accommodate you but not change their policy but find a way around it.

These days they will likely let you stick to your principles and not force you to take their energy supplies.

GarryB wrote:The problem with the west is that they continue to listen to their own experts and advisers who clearly don't understand Putin at all.

You pay for long term contracts and pay on time and you will continue to get gas from Russia.

If you try to make it political and use it as leverage to force Russia to do this or that by threatening to not buy their gas and before they might do a few things to accommodate you but not change their policy but find a way around it.

These days they will likely let you stick to your principles and not force you to take their energy supplies.

The bleating about Russia using energy as a weapon is a clear deflection by the clowns who actually do use energy as a weapon,
namely NATzO.   NATzO is all about propaganda and false narrative weaving.   It is the most powerful tool it has.

What will happen now to the gas pipelines in ukraine? Will they be useless since the EU won't be buying gas anymore?

magnumcromagnon wrote:

The record low volume of stocks in storage is insufficient for the normal functioning of the economy of the Czech Republic and Europe as a whole.

The Czech Republic does not lack gas storage facilities, but they are now only twenty percent full. According to experts, the reserves should be enough for about forty days, provided that the gas will be spent only on heating homes, medical institutions and other primary needs.

The author comes to the conclusion that Moscow can keep the Europeans on their toes and dictate their terms to them, using gas supplies as leverage for this. Under such conditions, the economy of the Czech Republic, and indeed of the whole of Europe, may slide into recession.

Time to get on the plane to Moscow and guarantee those supplies with a new long term contract. Just as the Hungarians did last autumn.