2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war #1

Armenian wrote:Pashinyan just called all people served in army in the last year. He stated that it's not about NKR anymore and there is a real danger of a new Armenian genocide.

He seems quite worried to me. I think Putin made some kind of deal with Erdoğan and decided to sacrifice Armenians. Not that it makes any sense but Russia is clearly not willing to do anything to help Armenia. Azerbaijan on the other hand is trying to create narrative that missiles are fired from Armenia.

The purpose is clear. Attacking Armenia.

Some people here might find this exaggerated but I think we are really on our own against Turks. Land inversion to Armenia is real possibility.

Not only Russia but the whole world is watching Armenians to be massacred again. In the 21st century.

miketheterrible wrote:Well, seeing as a huge portion of land Russia obtained are from countries/civilizations that don't really exist anymore, can't say it's a fair comparison.

But the fact it's land that under UN isn't recognized as Armenian and Russia agreed to that, kinda puts things into perspective for Armenians.  No one will help them in that land but they themselves.

My only guess will be Russia providing Armenia with weapons like how Turkey does for Azerbaijan.  That's about it

In Russia indigenous ethnic groups were never herded into reservation
ghettos and robbed of their land.

miketheterrible wrote:Thing is, these natives are rather a minority. Count ethnic Russians vs others and you will find, excluding the north caucuses areas, the rest are majority Russian.

Isos wrote:

In Russia indigenous ethnic groups were never herded into reservation
ghettos and robbed of their land.

In the US they don't even exist anymore. Hardly ebough of them to create a ghetto let alone ask for a country. Only Hawai could do so.

kvs wrote:

Isos wrote:

In Russia indigenous ethnic groups were never herded into reservation
ghettos and robbed of their land.

In the US they don't even exist anymore. Hardly ebough of them to create a ghetto let alone ask for a country. Only Hawai could do so.

That's just your worthless opinion.   It is a post factum justification attempt for the genocide of aboriginal peoples.

Today aboriginals account for 1.6% of the total population of the USA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Americans_in_the_United_States

In Montana over 9% are aboriginals.  

BTW, black people account for 13.4% of the US population.   I don't hear you or similar clowns dismiss them as of no importance.

kvs wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:Thing is, these natives are rather a minority. Count ethnic Russians vs others and you will find, excluding the north caucuses areas, the rest are majority Russian.

They are minority thanks to European diseases and the fact that they were physically exterminated by the US army and all the irregulars settling down in the "wild frontier".
It is popular to demonize US aboriginals for taking scalps of poor little settlers, but the fact is that those settlers would kill aboriginals much like they would
kill coyotes and other unwanted animals.  

The US signed many treaties with the indigenous peoples and then tore them all up.   So there was plenty of ethnic cleansing and driving onto reservation ghettos.  
Population density is not an argument since European squatters in the new world were a minority originally.

Armenian wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

Armenian wrote:

Isos wrote:Armenia never asked for russian help.

Nikol called Putin 3 times. Do you think he called to ask how is the weather is in Moscow?

Of course he asked for help and now we can guess the answer. The reason of not officially asking help is pure political to show the enemy that we have cards.

That is an occupied region, if Armenia is so worried about a genocide they can move people into Armenia.

Moscow has made it clear they will not help Armenia over land even they consider occupied.

By your logic Crimea is occupied as well? No, its people living in their historical lands and everybody here knows it.

Thinking that it's about Karabakh is extremely naive. It's about wiping out all Armenians from the region to create Turkic empire. We all know Erdoğan and we all know what he wants.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:Well, seeing as a huge portion of land Russia obtained are from countries/civilizations that don't really exist anymore, can't say it's a fair comparison.

But the fact it's land that under UN isn't recognized as Armenian and Russia agreed to that, kinda puts things into perspective for Armenians.  No one will help them in that land but they themselves.

My only guess will be Russia providing Armenia with weapons like how Turkey does for Azerbaijan.  That's about it

Japan exists, China exists, Germany exists etc, a lot of the areas I speak of the respective countries do exist.

So it's quite a fair comparison.

Why yes but that doesn't matter that Russia nor the UN see it has Azeri land, the standard is "Historical" it belongs to Armenia there-fore its Armenian land. So I assume for people going with that logic, they will apply the same logic to all is my point.

kvs wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:Well, seeing as a huge portion of land Russia obtained are from countries/civilizations that don't really exist anymore, can't say it's a fair comparison.

But the fact it's land that under UN isn't recognized as Armenian and Russia agreed to that, kinda puts things into perspective for Armenians.  No one will help them in that land but they themselves.

My only guess will be Russia providing Armenia with weapons like how Turkey does for Azerbaijan.  That's about it

SS is just spreading his serial anti-Russian BS.   America is built on stolen aboriginal land.   In Russia indigenous ethnic groups were never herded into reservation
ghettos and robbed of their land.   In fact, they have de facto republics such as Sakha.   In principle, they can secede which none of the original peoples of
North America both in the USA and Canada can do.   The US is leveraging this to try to partition Russia.   Real wiseguys, mafia style.

Tai Hai Chen wrote:Canada banned export of EO to Turkey used in TB2. From now on, each TB2 lost is a TB2 that can't be replaced.

JohninMK wrote:

Tai Hai Chen wrote:Canada banned export of EO to Turkey used in TB2. From now on, each TB2 lost is a TB2 that can't be replaced.