Libyan Crisis #2

Isos wrote:Any missile fired by those mighty turkish AD systems ?

ahmedfire wrote:

Isos wrote:Any missile fired by those mighty turkish AD systems ?

The official sources didn't mention any fired AD so i guess no .It was a well planned sudden attack at night .

JohninMK wrote:

Cyberspec wrote:

ahmedfire wrote:

Could be UAE as well...they used Mirage 2000's recently from a base in Egypt

Could be but UAE didn't strike from EAF bases before .

Satellite images released by
@obretix
shows the six Mirage 2000-9EAD/RADs of UAE Air Force on deployment at the air base located in south of Sidi Barrani, west of #Egypt.
https://twitter.com/BabakTaghvaee/status/1258177902815805440

You could have mentioned that that link was back in early May when that deployment took place. Would have put it a bit more in context i.e. that the EAF had been there in the past (and had probably attacked a GNA base then) so could be there again last night.

On the night of July 4-5, Dassault Mirage 2000-9 multi-role fighters of the United Arab Emirates Air Force attacked the recently deployed air defense facilities of the Turkish military at the Al-Vatyya air base in Libya.

Emirate aircraft used the Sidi-Barrani Air Force Base of Egypt in the north-west of the country to strike. The UAE is also actively using this air base to supply the troops of the Libyan National Army.

#BREAKING: It is now confirmed that #Turkish Air Force has lost at-least one HAWK-XXI air defense battery in Al-Watiya last night! The SEAD operation is carried-out by #Libya National Air Force's Su-24M strike bombers but #Turkey & #GNA are blaming #UAE Air Force over this!

Ο Εθνικός Στρατός της Λιβύης ανακοίνωσε ότι πραγματοποίησε 9 αεροπορικές επιδρομές στην Αλ Ουατίγια.

Τα ξημερώματα της Κυριακής, η Αεροπορία του Εθνικού Στρατού της Λιβύης, υπό τον Χαλίφα Χαφτάρ, πραγματοποίησε αεροπορική επιδρομή με βομβαρδιστικά Su 24M στην τουρκική αεροπορική βάση αλ Ουατίγια, νοτιοδυτικά της Τρίπολης.

Σύμφωνα με λιβυκά κι αραβικά Μέσα, σκοτώθηκαν τουλάχιστον 4 Τούρκοι αξιωματικοί, ενώ καταστράφηκαν και οι 2 συστοιχίες των τουρκικών α/α ΜΙΜ 23 Hawk , οι οποίες εγκαταστάθηκαν στη βάση πριν από λίγες ημέρες.

Το λιβυκό Al-Marsad που επικαλείται πηγή στον Εθνικό Στρατό της Λιβύης αναφέρει πως η επιδρομή στόχευσε εκτός από τα MIM 23 Hawk και τα τουρκικά συστήματα ηλεκτρoνικού πολέμου Koral, ενώ την είδηση επιβεβαιώνει και το Al Arabiya.

Επιπλέον, μια υψηλού επιπέδου στρατιωτική πηγή είπε στο κανάλι «Al-Hadath Libya» πως : «Παρακολουθήσαμε την εγκατάσταση του τουρκικού συστήματος αεράμυνας Hawk και των ραντάρ του τις τελευταίες ημέρες».

«Σήμερα, ο Τούρκος Υπουργός Άμυνας ενημερώθηκε ενώ ήταν στη Μισράτα ότι η βάση Uqba Bin Nafeh (Αλ Ουατίγια) ήταν έτοιμη για χρήση, οπότε ο Εθνικός Στρατός της Λιβύης αποφάσισε να τα καταστρέψει (σσ τα Hawk) μετά την ενεργοποίσή τους και το ποσοστό καταστροφής τους είναι στο 100%».

Μάλιστα σύμφωνα με ανεπιβεβαίωτες πληροφορίες ένας από τους νεκρούς είναι και ο Τούρκος στρατιωτικός διοικητής της Τρίπολης, Γιασάρ Γκιουλέρ.

Αυτή η επιδρομή, η οποία έρχεται μόλις μία ημέρα μετά την επίσκεψη του Χουλούσι Ακάρ στην Τρίπολη, δείχνει πως πλέον ο Εθνικός Στρατός της Λιβύης, με τα Su24M και τα MiG 29 που τον προμήθευσαν οι Ρώσοι, διαθέτει την αεροπορική υπεροχή στη Λιβύη.

The Libyan National Army says it has carried out nine airstrikes in al-Watiya.

In the early hours of Sunday, the Libyan National Army Air Force, under Khalifa Haftar, carried out an airstrike with Su 24M bombers at the Turkish air base al-Watiya, southwest of Tripoli.

According to Libyan and Arab media, at least four Turkish officers were killed and two Turkish MIM 23 Hawk arrays, which were installed at the base a few days ago, were destroyed.

Libyan Al-Marsad, citing a source in the Libyan National Army, said the raid targeted not only the MIM 23 Hawk and Turkish Coral Electric systems, but also Al Arabiya.

In addition, a high-ranking military source told Al-Hadath Libya: "We have been monitoring the installation of the Turkish Hawk air defense system and its radars in recent days."

"Today, the Turkish Defense Minister was informed while in Misrata that the Uqba Bin Nafeh (Al Watiya) base was ready for use, so the Libyan National Army decided to destroy them (in Hawk) after their activation and the rate of destruction. they are at 100% ".

In fact, according to unconfirmed information, one of the dead is the Turkish military commander of Tripoli, Yasar Guler.

The raid, which comes just a day after Hulusi Akar's visit to Tripoli, shows that the Libyan National Army, with the Su24M and MiG 29 supplied by the Russians, now has the air superiority in Libya.

medo wrote:

In fact, according to unconfirmed information, one of the dead is the Turkish military commander of Tripoli, Yasar Guler.

This is from a pro GNA poster so needs to be confirmed. If true wonder what the IFF is between TAF F-16 and the S-125?

MiddleEastWatch
@MiddleEastWatc1
3h
Sirte update:
Turkish "Haber7" website reported on Monday that Turkey purchased the S-125 missile system from Ukraine and activated it over the airspace of the Libyan city of Sirte.

The source continued:
The Ukrainian system consists of 6 batteries for missiles, one dedicated to the airspace over the city of Sirte, and five will be installed in different strategic places in western Libya.

MiddleEastWatch
@MiddleEastWatc1
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5h
Attack is coming for sure, but when and how?
We should expect Turkey’s retaliation very soon by following:
Guided missiles from Frigates and/or submarines (most likely).
F-16 Fighters from #Turkey or East Cyprus. (likely)
Drones attack (likely if operation starts).

nero wrote:I think a lot of people are jumping the gun on the celebrations. Air-defenses aren't hard to destroy - you simply need to launch more missiles than they can handle. This is universally true for all of them, be it Russian, Turkish or American...

Modern stand-off munitions have longer ranges than what the Hawk missiles so even in the case of successful interception, they opposing side has nothing to lose. We can see the same phenomenon in Syria, where Israel can take as many pot-shots at Syria - until one ultimately hits them and destroys some assets.

The real battle is going to happen in Sirte. Until Egypt intervenes with it's land forces, such small victories of destroying a couple of SAM sites or killing a few Turkish officers mean nothing. It only gives fuel to the flame-war fire of the internet.

It's not the same. Turkey have just a few bases to defend and they have strong layered air defense there with Hawks, Hisar-A, Korkuts and Stingers as well as Koral ECM complexes. On the other hand LNA have small air force with just a few fighter jets. How many Su-24M LNA have? 2 maybe 4? Absolutely not enough, that Turkish air defense could not handle.

medo wrote:It's not the same. Turkey have just a few bases to defend and they have strong layered air defense there with Hawks, Hisar-A, Korkuts and Stingers as well as Koral ECM complexes. On the other hand LNA have small air force with just a few fighter jets. How many Su-24M LNA have? 2 maybe 4? Absolutely not enough, that Turkish air defense could not handle.

Cyberspec wrote:The latest theory is that France might not have carried out the bombing but provided satellite intelligence as well as jammed the Turkish radars.

Also, regarding the Turkish Frigates they did launch missiles at the Al-Watiya hangers back in May....

После захвата армией ПНС авиабазы Аль-Ватия, находящейся в 130 километрах от Триполи, турецкие военные решили организовать там основной центр поддержки сил ПНС. Для целей ПВО на базе были развернуты американские ЗРК MIM-23 «Hawk» средней дальности и системы РЭБ "Koral".

4 июля 2020 года Ливию посетили высокопоставленные турецкие военачальники, министр обороны и начальник Генштаба. В ходе визита министра проинформировали, что база Аль-Ватия готова к использованию.

5 июля авиабаза подверглась массированному налету "неизвестной авиации". Все установленные турками системы вооружений были уничтожены на 100 %.

Позже стало известно, что авиаудар наносили самолеты "Mirage 2000-9" ВВС Объединенных Арабских Эмиратов, базирующихся на египетской авиабазе "Сиди аль-Барани", неподалеку от ливийско-египетской границы. Информацию об этом распространил в социальных сетях пресс-секретарь армии ПНС,

Ранее сообщалось о нескольких мощных авиационных ударах по турецкой военной колонне, направляющейся в район города Сирт, на подступах к которому разворачивается сражение между войсками ПНС и ЛНА. Самолеты без опознавательных знаков уничтожили 50 единиц техники и более 30 турецких военных.

After the army of the GNA captured the air base of Al-Vatiya, located 130 kilometers from Tripoli, the Turkish military decided to organize there the main support center for the GNA. For the purposes of air defense, American medium-range MIM-23 Hawk air defense systems and the Koral electronic warfare system were deployed at the base.

On July 4, 2020, Libya was visited by senior Turkish military commanders, the Minister of Defense, and the Chief of the General Staff. During the visit, the Minister was informed that the Al-Vatiy base is ready for use.

On July 5, the air base underwent a massive raid of "unknown aircraft." All weapons systems installed by the Turks were 100% destroyed.

Later it became known that the air strike was carried out by Mirage 2000-9 aircraft of the United Arab Emirates Air Force, based at the Sidi al-Barani Egyptian air base, not far from the Libyan-Egyptian border. Information about this was distributed on social networks by a spokesman for the GNA army,

Earlier, several powerful air strikes were reported on a Turkish military convoy heading to the area of ​​the city of Sirte, on the outskirts of which a battle unfolds between the troops of the GNA and the LNA. Unmarked aircraft destroyed 50 pieces of equipment and more than 30 Turkish military.

I wonder if Turkey will now strike UAE base in Egypt?

A source at the LNA's Air Force operations room told Al-Marsad newspaper that the strikes targeted Hawk air defense systems, and a Koral Warfare Electronic System.