Syrian War: News #21

The Ottoman wrote:@Vann7

Jeez what a fantasies. Turkey vaporized, Turkey paper tiger, Turkey this and Turkey that. How is your orgazm?

You really think a country that fought the drunk impotent vodkabear for 16 times, is scared for a 17th time?

I don't suppose it much matters, if Russia won those past 16 times; or rather won 15 times and lost only 1 time due to the participation of France and Britain and the British threat to blockade St. Petersburg with warships.

The Ottoman Empire was even more of a backwards anachronism than the Russian Empire was. By the 19th century no-one in Europe saw it as a threat; the British and French desired instead to use it as a bulwark against Russia. And the Ottomans played that role. To their own detriment anyway; it kept getting into more wars with Russia and it lost even more territory.

Anyway we're not talking about a war here with Turkey.

Russia is surround with Turkic people (Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan, Kazachstan, Tadzjikistan, Kirgizia, Crimea, East-Turkestan, Uzbekistan, Tatarstan, Dagestan, Chechenya, Pakistan). To 'vaporize' Turkey you need to destroy more than 200 million people because Turks never give up and death means nothing to them.

Same old pan-Turkish bravado as in the USSR days

Most of them are on our side; Kazakhstan, Kirgizia, Uzbekistan, Tatarstan, Dagestan
Chechnya, Pakistan - what?

Anyway you really think any of these governments like Al-Qaeda? Or HTS? Uzbekistan has been embroiled into a constant low-level war with them.
In Dagestan, Tatarstan they're regularly erased; the republic's elites have no love for them either
Crimea - no-one among the Crimea Tatar community needs such extremists there.

Even the leader of Turkish Cyprus, is criticizing Erdogan. Pan-Turkic solidarity much?

You seem to be confused. There is no war going on against Turkic peoples, or Turkic anything. Nor will Turkey have much of a chance to wield pan-Turkism against Russia, anymore than it had a chance to do so during the Cold War, or had a chance to encourage Jihad on the Russian Empire's territories.
Because everyone understands that what's going on is not a war against Turkey or Turks or whatever, but all this is really about Erdogan's love of the Muslim Brotherhood and attempting to use them and various assorted Islamic extremists to create his own powerbloc in the Middle East, Balkans and so on.

What's your fantasy about

What's yours about? Blind loyalty and hollow imperial pride? Turkish flags everywhere?
Why?

Turkey is a growing, powerful country that has as much a right to spread its influence and build partnerships as anyone else.
A different question though, is what it's offering now.
And what it's offering now is terrorism, Sunni sectarianism and backwards theocratic rule. And who the hell needs it and why does anyone need Turkish influence if that's the case?

If Turkey smartens up and starts offering its own people and the peoples around it something new; and not just ideals but real social progress, real material and economic progress, it would be far more successful.

flamming_python wrote:

The Ottoman wrote:@Vann7

Jeez what a fantasies. Turkey vaporized, Turkey paper tiger, Turkey this and Turkey that. How is your orgazm?

You really think a country that fought the drunk impotent vodkabear for 16 times, is scared for a 17th time?

I don't suppose it much matters, if Russia won those past 16 times; or rather won 15 times and lost only 1 time due to the participation of France and Britain and the British threat to blockade St. Petersburg with warships.

The Ottoman Empire was even more of a backwards anachronism than the Russian Empire was. By the 19th century no-one in Europe saw it as a threat; the British and French desired instead to use it as a bulwark against Russia. And the Ottomans played that role. To their own detriment anyway; it kept getting into more wars with Russia and it lost even more territory.

Anyway we're not talking about a war here with Turkey.

Russia is surround with Turkic people (Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan, Kazachstan, Tadzjikistan, Kirgizia, Crimea, East-Turkestan, Uzbekistan, Tatarstan, Dagestan, Chechenya, Pakistan). To 'vaporize' Turkey you need to destroy more than 200 million people because Turks never give up and death means nothing to them.

Same old pan-Turkish bravado as in the USSR days

Most of them are on our side; Kazakhstan, Kirgizia, Uzbekistan, Tatarstan, Dagestan
Chechnya, Pakistan - what?

Anyway you really think any of these governments like Al-Qaeda? Or HTS? Uzbekistan has been embroiled into a constant low-level war with them.
In Dagestan, Tatarstan they're regularly erased; the republic's elites have no love for them either
Crimea - no-one among the Crimea Tatar community needs such extremists there.

Even the leader of Turkish Cyprus, is criticizing Erdogan. Pan-Turkic solidarity much?

You seem to be confused. There is no war going on against Turkic peoples, or Turkic anything. Nor will Turkey have much of a chance to wield pan-Turkism against Russia.
Because everyone understands that what's going on is not a war against Turkey or Turks or whatever, but all this is really about Erdogan's love of the Muslim Brotherhood and attempting to use them and various assorted Islamic extremists to create his own powerbloc in the Middle East, Balkans and so on.

What's your fantasy about

What's yours about? Blind loyalty and hollow imperial pride? Turkish flags everywhere?
Why?

Turkey is a growing, powerful country that has as much a right to spread its influence and build partnerships as anyone else.
A different question though, is what it's offering now.
And what it's offering now is terrorism, Sunni sectarianism and backwards theocratic rule. And who the hell needs it and why does anyone need Turkish influence if that's the case?

If Turkey smartens up and starts offering its own people and the peoples around it something new; and not just ideals but real social progress, real material and economic progress, it would be far more successful.

Well when Instanbul will be again called Constantinople, and Ankara will be at best capital of a small Turkish state in the middle of the Anatolia peninsula maybe the Russian president will add to his title protector and sultan of the turkish people... afterall the ottoman sultan called himself
Kayser-i Rum (Caesar of Rome), after conquering the second Rome.

By the way, concerning actual number of Turkish drones lost...in addition to those shot down by LNA in Lybia, Syrians shot down 12 Turkish drones. Five are Anka-S and seven are Bayraktar TB2. 
Pantsir and BUK systems where used.


https://soldier-moskva.livejournal.com/447988.html

Some commentators and experts drew attention to the effectiveness of Turkish strike UAVs, while complaining that Russia is very far behind in developing this class of weapons.

In fact, Russia is not so far behind the rest of the world in this class of weapons.

If you take the Hamburg account, the leader in the field of UAV creation today is the United States. Not Israel, as many would like.

Yes, to date, Russia does not have serial strike and strategic reconnaissance UAVs. Nevertheless, in the class of operational-tactical reconnaissance UAVs, Russia confidently bypasses the United States and Israel combined.

We already have projects for strategic UAVs, both reconnaissance and strike. A complex of guided weapons was created for them. Sooner or later, but they will be adopted and go into production.

But this is a clash in Idlib with the massive use of modern strike UAVs, this is another reason to pay attention to other people's mistakes. After all, it was not in vain that the United States came to the conclusion that an impact UAV should be made as cheap as possible and actually attribute it to consumables ...

Due to some conservative and bureaucratic restrictions, our Russian military-industrial complex and military science work more slowly than our western competitors. We can not so quickly adopt a variety of experimental weapons. In addition, our defense industry and military science have rather low internal competition.

EDIT

By the way, an eventual Russian UCAV will have at its disposition a lot of nice weapons, currently used by the Su-25 ground attack aircraft,  and or by the Mi28 and Ka52 attack helicopters..

As an example
Antitank missiles
9K121 Vikhr  45 kg or
9M123 Khrizantema 46 kg

And the new Hermes missiles (130kg)

Hundreds of Turks in Marash, attacking the houses and property of the Syrians, breaking them and attacking the Syrians in the city,. Thank you, #Turkey, thanks #Erdogan, you let us see your real ugly face

Video

Isos wrote:Babak Taghvaee
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F-16C fighter jets of #Turkish Air Force launched AIM-120C active radar homing air-to-air missiles at two fighter jets of #Syria Arab Army over #Idlib today. The missiles were dodged by the #Syrian pilots including pilot of this Su-22M4 over #Sarmin today

Photo after maneuvering the missile

Fist fight in the Turkish Grand National Assembly after the closed session in the Turkish Grand National Assembly, after the statements of Engin Özkoç, there was a fist discussion.

Video

Turkish UAV was shot down by SAA air defenses in the Idlib area

https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2020/4-march-turkish-uav-was-shot-down-by-saa-air-defenses-in

Interesting smoke in the sky. I guess it belong to AA missile chasing Syrian plane. If Syria decide not to fire back long range, and just move out of the way. Then one way to waste F16 bullet, is get some decoy jet drone from Iran that give signal of MIG or Sukhoi jet. Put in the sky, while Syrian jet bombing Rats. If F16 come close, then shoot with guns or SAM.

Still F-16 has a better chances in such cases , Russia should provide some long range AA missile to SAA