Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20

The governments of the USA and UK for certain, as well as many other countries, have labs like the Chinese one in Wuhan and all will have justified them (if they did) to their people by saying something along the lines of 'we have to spend billions on this research because the enemy (Russians, Chinese, North Koreans or terrorists) may use biological/chemical weapons against us and we must be prepared and able to defend, you the people."

Then, along comes this very bio-warfare like pandemic and what do we get? Silence. Even when it is hitting the military, silence from the professionals in that business. Yet they should have been monitoring all the research papers published on the subject and it seems to be clear from 2010 on that the Chinese did not keep what they were doing a particular secret, they even had international researchers working with them.

The upshot of this is that we can deduce that, whilst the money was poured into R&D none of it was spent on protecting us, the people. From our perspective it was a waste of money. We now know this because for us, rather than the military, there was definitely:

- no accessible supplies of masks, goggles or PPE generally,
- no capacity in hospitals or probably more important, nurses with relevant past training,
- no production capability to ramp up to produce PPE or hospital equipment
- no Bio/Chem warfare soldiers and equipment ready to spring into action.

Whilst on any level there has been little to no evidence of there being any plans of what to do in the event of this situation.

Meanwhile, the Chinese and Russian governments, which may or may not be developing biological weapons, were defensively comparatively well prepared. This is hardly surprising as they have thought for a long time that they could come under biological attack, as the Chinese indeed were in the Korean war.

The Chinese in particular have factories capable of making everything they needed and it took almost no time to ramp up production. They had medical corps who were trained and ready to take in controlling the outbreak and bio/chem warfare troops to clean up. They were able to build hospitals very quickly. But perhaps more importantly the must have had viable plans of what to do already in place.

On the other hand are we to assume that if we were attacked, by say the Russians, our leaders were going to play it by ear and rely on the Chinese to supply us at a time of war?

..the Chinese bats host dozens of SARS-CoV variants some with very close genetic similarity to the one responsible for Covid-19.

But none of them were able to infect us- only the lab-derived Covid-19 or its immediate predecessor could jump from animals to humans.






Those who warned about a new pandemic 5 y. a., incl. Obama & Gates, could have known that a designer virus was being prepared by some1.

This is how to do it:

Russian Defense Ministry is building 16 Multipurpose Hospitals in 16 cities to treat Covid-19 patients.

From start to finish these hospitals are taking 1 month to be build and start accepting patients.
The first one in Nizhni-Novgorod is ready. (Video below).

These hospitals are complete with all the necessary equipment and have a disinfection point for ambulances (the small black building in the video).

The military industry is back to work in Russia.
Video is from the Kazan Aviation Plant (in the name of Gorbunov) that is building the Tu-160.

https://regnum.ru/news/innovatio/2921130.html

https://regnum.ru/news/society/2921132.html

https://www.thedefensepost.com/2020/04/17/france-charles-de-gaulle-aircraft-carrier-crew-coronavirus/

https://abc3340.com/news/nation-world/new-wave-of-infections-threatens-to-collapse-japan-hospitals

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-ecuador/in-ecuador-pandemic-chronic-illnesses-are-going-untreated-idUKKBN21Z2FT


https://strana.ua/news/261993-ssha-obvinili-kitaj-v-sozdanii-koronavirusa-zachem.html

https://original.antiwar.com/thomas-knapp/2020/04/17/china-lied-people-died-look-whos-talking/

https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-washington-dc-faces-coronavirus-spike-secret-military-task-force-prepares-secure-1498276

From what I glanced, about genetic evolutionary biology. It seems that genetic variations happen by three mechanisms. First mutation, where an organism with a sequence of say ABCD, gets extra gene and becomes ABCD-D or ABC-CD etc. The second is by gene acquisition, so ABCD becomes ABCDE etc. And the third is by gene loss, so ABCD becomes ABC or ABD etc. So with an organism in an open environment, All these possibilities exist.

It is therefore possible to trace back the evolution of organism, by having access to previous genetic codes. This process is conclusive. However it is not possible to be conclusive about the future evolution of organism. Only a probability of evolution, can be given, in this case. Or so I understand.

So have scientists now provided a precise gene history of this virus? This should be possible. Given number of samples provided. Can anyone decipher this info? Any sign of different animal genes present?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/genbank/sars-cov-2-seqs/

Tsavo Lion wrote:

Any solid conclusions, however, could only be made after analyzing more bats and other potential host animals, as well as tissue samples from early patients, Forster cautioned.

https://www.rt.com/news/486194-study-coronavirus-southern-china/

It's just a speculation not based on facts, but on the past history.
I also find it strange if the virus starts spreading slowly before accelerating & becoming more deadly. All natural viruses mutate to weaker (to us) forms so they can infect more hosts w/o killing them.

the only speculation here are those links you are posting in this forum from fox news..
from anonymous sources..and many other anglo media ,or hong kong liberal pro protesters media that always is biased against china and claims the virus escaped from a china lab without a single shred of evidence.
what i reported there are FACTS.. that real investigations by scientist , of cambridge university ,not chinese one.. but british scientist traced the virus age ,to be many months older , than when the virus began to show up in wuhan.. so this totally destroy fox news and 100% american fake news media conspiracies , that the virus originated in wuhan lab and escaped by accident.. without presenting no evidence to backup that ..  99% of the things you post about china is conspiracies not facts..   what i posted is facts.. what scientist study revealed.. virus did not came from wuhan.. your only options is to claim china paid the british scientist to lie...and report is fraud ,or that american media is fake news..and US gov is only trying to use the virus crisis ,to promote a boycott on chinese technology ,something they already were trying to do with sanctions but failed.. but now they trying to use the virus in combination with their propaganda to achieve that...  im afraid your government attempts to discredit China will not succeed.. it will actually create the opposite and promote chinese business more than ever...just to oppose US rhetoric.  

So weak and hopeless is US case against China ,that they are accusing the World Health Organization of being
paid by china to say favorable things to them..

What worry me more is not about the virus.. covid-19.. what worries me is what will happen next?
Because Russia and China believe US is behind the virus ,that this was an act of war.. so are they going
to retaliate? how about Europe ?  if this issue is not solved , this could very well start a major conflict ugly
conflict.. Which side Europe major countries and Asian tech giants takes.. over US attempts to blame and isolate
china will define the future , of the world in next 20 -30 years.

aside note..

notice how Russia and china build dozens of new hospitals ,specially for covid-19 infested people.
but in America .. nothing of that is done... basically they are not remotely doing the most basic
things in security,they are supposed to do..to prevent sick people infest the healthy ones.. mixing
people in hospitals and allowing people to freely travel from new york to all parts of US ,to all cities.
so is clear they are staging a crisis for propaganda purposes.. and totally different event they are facing.

Trump not even promotes the use of face mask..or encourage it use and want to open US cities now
what a fake crisis. they are staging a major crisis , inflating it more ,than really it is for public relations
purposes.. to fake a pandemic event in US. so either they don't care about american lives of they are fully
in control ,of the events they facing ,and is all staged.. this is my opinion...however ,based on US very long
history of false flags and inside jobs.

But in this video I posted the British scientists say that there's no evidence it's an artificial virus: https://youtu.be/uXBlMGqdRZE

I don't select my sources to correspond to any preconceived notions; those who do r biased & doomed to lose an argument when more info. surfaces to prove them wrong.

Finally: a study on the SARS-CoV-2 virus in a specific county whether people had symptoms or not

By Robert Willmann

Posted on the Internet yesterday is a study dated 11 April 2020 that finally addresses a type of investigation avoided by the energetic creators of hype and fear on television and elsewhere about an illness resulting from a virus called SARS-CoV-2. Using a sample from Santa Clara County, California, home of Stanford University, the study tested the blood of 3,330 people, using a new testing technique to look for antibodies that are expected to exist if the virus has been inside a person, whether they had any symptoms or not.

In this case, by using the math of statistics, the attempt is made to extend the observed results to the population of a specific area, to try to figure out how many people in the area had the virus in them at some point, even if they have shown no symptoms. Then -- using the population of the area, the statistical number of persons who had been exposed, the number who are thought to have the virus by other testing and clinical observation, and the number whose death was caused by the virus (a difficult determination) -- better opinions can be developed. This use of statistical sampling can try to describe reality in a more correct way than the so-called "mathematical models" promoted in the media that whipped up hysteria about the virus, and those models could politely be called wild speculation. The models were used to justify draconian and illegal orders by governors and mayors that destroyed incomes, closed businesses, and did not accurately and constructively address the problems that may be caused by the virus.

When you have an idea about how many people have developed antibodies and are still alive, whether having had symptoms or not, you can begin to see the status and effect of the virus. Furthermore, people who have naturally developed antibodies have usually become immune. You can also calculate the fatality rate of the virus in a better way.

One of the authors of the study is John P.A. Ioannidis, who is a professor at the Stanford University Medical School [1]. He kicked up some controversy in an article in March when the hype about the virus was escalating by saying, "The data collected so far on how many people are infected and how the epidemic is evolving are utterly unreliable" [2].

Santa Clara County, California, is said to have a population of about 1,943,411. The study estimated that between 48,000 and 81,000 people had been infected there. And, "The reported number of confirmed positive cases in the county on April 1 was 956, 50-85-fold lower than the number of infections predicted by this study". Using the results from the sample, an estimate was made about a fatality rate (page 7)--

"If our estimates of 48,000-81,000 infections represent the cumulative total on April 1, and we project deaths to April 22 (a 3 week lag from time of infection to death [reference note 22]), we estimate about 100 deaths in the county. A hundred deaths out of 48,000-81,000 infections corresponds to an infection fatality rate of 0.12-0.2%. If antibodies take longer than 3 days to appear, if the average duration from case identification to death is less than 3 weeks, or if the epidemic wave has peaked and growth in deaths is less than 6% daily, then the infection fatality rate would be lower. These straightforward estimations of infection fatality rate fail to account for age structure and changing treatment approaches to COVID-19. Nevertheless, our prevalence estimates can be used to update existing fatality rates given the large upwards revision of under-ascertainment".

Dr. Ioannidis has said that the death/fatality rate for seasonal influenza is about 0.10 percent. Thus, if this study presents the situation realistically, the fatality rate for COVID-19 is similar to a flu season, at least in that part of California.

The text of the study is eight pages long, before the references and graphics. It has detail like a study of its type should. As in all statistical studies, there are side issues, such as how complete and representative the sample of persons is, how valid the testing method and statistics used are, etc. In this one a new testing technique was used that has not yet been approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), but the article describes how the test kit was tested for the study. Even though it contains some statistical terminology, the study is worth reading--

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.14.20062463v1

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.14.20062463v1.full.pdf

kvs wrote:

TheArmenian wrote:This is how to do it:

Russian Defense Ministry is building 16 Multipurpose Hospitals in 16 cities to treat Covid-19 patients.

From start to finish these hospitals are taking 1 month to be build and start accepting patients.
The first one in Nizhni-Novgorod is ready. (Video below).

These hospitals are complete with all the necessary equipment and have a disinfection point for ambulances (the small black building in the video).

And these are permanent and advanced units instead of temporary ones like Wuhan.

Yes,

I've seen more TV report from one of the hospitals. They do have have advanced XRAY machines in special separated rooms where doctors can control it while not being exposed to patients. All medical rooms were designed not to expose doctors if possible. All looks very modern. I think it was PerviyKanal who showed it.

I remember when people were laughing how long it takes to build a hospital in Russia compared to Wuhan.
While in Wuhan they were just porta-cabins who LEAKED RAIN and got flooded, Russians decided not to go with this route. Russians should be proud of their government resolve, even if they are very worried about financial and health impact of this, but they do have so much better than USA or UK.

After Corona is under control this facilities will be there to improve the medical situation in the surrounding regions.

How times have changed. A few decaces back Russia was constructing boring looking buildings made from grey concrete. Today even facilities build in a hurry receive a nice coat of paint, well designed signs and so on.

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/04/politics/trump-covid-response-annotation/

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/17/well/live/coronavirus-contagion-spead-clothes-shoes-hair-newspaper-packages-mail-infectious.html

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Hole wrote:After Corona is under control this facilities will be there to improve the medical situation in the surrounding regions.

How times have changed. A few decaces back Russia was constructing boring looking buildings made from grey concrete. Today even facilities build in a hurry receive a nice coat of paint, well designed signs and so on.

Those boring grey buildings will outlive you and me and those hospitals. They could survive nuclear blast. It's not just concrete, soviets did have very good quality of rebars, their mesh block had much lover tolerances than what west did. Soviet flats didn't collapse like Chinese as well.
Ugly - yes, but very sturdy and long lasting.

kvs wrote:

"Best medical system in the world" in the USA laid off 43,000 medical workers (from doctors to nurses to paramedics) in March of 2020.
Miracle of private ownership.   Apparently profit driven medicine cannot be beat.   It does not have enough equipment and staff but
if you pay enough you will not have to wait in line.  

You can get a corona virus test for $3,777 where your medical plan will pay some part and the provider will provide a 50% discount.
That leaves you with a bill for $1,241.08.   Some moron will probably claim Americans make $10,000 per month.  No they don't.  They
are lucky if they make $3,000 per month.   And of that amount rent, food and other bills consume the largest part.   So the bill will
be consuming a part of the savings if the individual has any.

In the UK instead of laying off medical staff they just give them a 25% pay cut.  

US wrecked.

But UK are definitely not cutting pay. I have family member who works as a nurse and she gets overtime + bonus. They are even thinking bringing retired doctors with still valid medical license back.

Tsavo Lion wrote:But in this video I posted the British scientists say that there's no evidence it's an artificial virus: https://youtu.be/uXBlMGqdRZE

I don't select my sources to correspond to any preconceived notions; those who do r biased & doomed to lose an argument when more info. surfaces to prove them wrong.

it doesn't need to be artificial to be a weapon...
if you get a poisonous snake.. and throw it in someone bed when he is sleeping ,
you are effectively using something that comes from nature to kill someone.. so artificial
or not. it can be used as a weapon.. just get many people hundreds or thousands infected
with the virus.. and pay them vacation to travel to the country you want to attack..
in china case ,the virus came most likely from NATO delegation ,that visited the epic center
from where the virus began.. so if you had any degree of honesty ,you will recognize that possibility ,
that the virus could have been passed to china from US delegation..?

and why is that very possible?
1)because have been confirmed 300 US soldiers ,were present where the virus began..
2) because there is confirmation by US congress hearings ,that they center for control of diseases ,diagnostic
   wrongly people who died , from respiratory issues ,that they believed was influenza/flu ,but turned to be
   covid-19.  so is on record in congress.. that americans who died from covid19 ,have been incorrectly
   reported by what killed them.
3) Because US military have a very long history of criminal activities ,from false flags ,aiding terrorism , including using bio warfare in the past against civilians.. and the fact that they were already at war with china.. and doing
everything to stop chinese high tech industry.. so there are huge motives already for attacking china.
If some members of US delegation were sick ,when arrived to china ,and later died from similar respiratory causes.. if this can be officially confirmed.. don't you think this will be very important evidence that will point
that the virus did not began in china but in US .
4)because is officially confirmed.. that US military biohazard base.. at fort detrick.. was shutdown for many weeks because of a virus accident..

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/05/health/germs-fort-detrick-biohazard.html

5)Because many reports exist , that the US delegation ,came from the same fort ,the virus  then you can also easily see  how two virus related events ,one in maryland biowarfare military labs.. and another in wuhan can be connected.

an investigation into US delegation who visited wuhan ,but also investigation in new york hospitals ,
to verify ,what kind of virus they facing (if any) will clarify everything. but US have total secrecy for foreign media into what happens inside their hospitals. contray to russia ,china and italy ,that had no secrecy.

Every verifiable information ,facts point in the direction ,that is very possible that US delegation  from wuhan olympics passed the virus to china.. at very least.if it was an "Accident" or intentional ,is a secondary question..

and to make things worse for those who hate china.. Cambridge university investigation ,completely destroy
the theory that the virus came from wuhan.. they leave the door open from somewhere else place southern china.. or that a human outsider of wuhan, (like a local or foreign tourist ) pass the virus to wuhan.

UK definitely not cutting the pay of health staff or any government employees come to that. It is only those in the private sector who are being laid off that are getting pay cuts of between 20 and 100%.

Assume this is correct

Ajit Singh
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Since 2015, 8 delegations of French government officials, scientists and health professionals have visited the P4 lab in Wuhan, most recently in March of 2019.

France has far more knowledge and understanding of the situation than the US State Department.
http://english.whiov.cas.cn/Exchange2016/F

Ajit Singh
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France: "We would like to make it clear that there is to this day no factual evidence corroborating recent reports in the US press linking the origins of Covid-19 and the work of the P4 laboratory of Wuhan, China" France24.com