Vladimir Putin Thread

NYT?

That rag... wouldn't believe them if they said the planet was round....

I'm gonna post real news, not some two bit Pollack posts:
https://tass.com/russia/1157101

On 12/5/2020 the numbers were:

According to the World Health Organisation...:

UK = 31,855

France = 26,338

Germany = 7,419

US = 76,916

And Russia = 2009

Right now the numbers from the same source are:


UK = 33,614

France = 27,378

Germany = 7,824

US = 82,119

And Russia = 2,418...

So a 409 increase for Russia and a 1,759 death increase for the UK, and a 1,040 death increase in France, while Germany has had 405 more deaths, and the US has had 5,203 more deaths over the same period.

The numbers infected is not really that relevant simply because it is as much influenced by testing rates as anything else... but then if you look at known infections the UK has very similar infection numbers to Russia.... 233,155 infected in the UK compared with 262,843 infected in Russia, yet the death rate is starkly different at 33,614 compared with 2,418 in Russia....

But as we learned when Putin flew a Tu-160 to a small English town and bombed the place with Novachok a deadly nerve agent and killed just one person months later... one person who was already a sick weak junkie, the UK has the best hospital service in the world...

Big_Gazza wrote:

Odin of Ossetia wrote:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/14/world/europe/coronavirus-russia-doctors-hospitals.html

This "article" quotes Navalnys so-called "Alliance of Doctors" as though its an authoritative medical workers union of some sort (instead of the insignificant 5th columnist provocateurs that they are in reality).  

Typical Jew-York Times biased nonsense.  

This is how western fake stream media works.   It exclusively cites seditionist and 5th column sources that are financed by NATzO or aligned with
elements that are financed by NATzO.   The go to source for "inside" information on Russia is the Moscow Times (foreign owned), Nezavisimaya Gazeta
(a rabid anti-Russian propaganda outfit that routinely concocts stories as well as spinning anything to the point of no similarity), and assorted
"NGOs" like Navalny's diversionary smear operation called a doctor's union.    

Russian laws need to be changed ASAP so that no union or organization can be created on the drop of a hat by foreign financed 5th columnists.
This has nothing to do with freedom of association.   Unions and organizations need to have real representation and not be fakes.   There are no
real doctors in Navalny's "doctor's union".   And this outfit is designed to spread libel and lies and has already been exposed several times.
In the UK these clowns would have been run through the legal system and either doing jail time or sinking in debt.

Sunday smile

Vladimir #Putin: Genuine democracy & civil society cannot be imported, be a product of the activities of foreign ‘well-wishers’. People in the countries where imported democracy schemes have been implemented were never asked for their opinion & their leaders are mere vassals.

https://twitter.com/A__Alimov/status/1319379377063342080

Looking at what is happening in the world, I’d like to say to those who are still waiting for the gradual fading of Russia. We are worried about only one thing: how not to catch a cold at your funeral.

https://twitter.com/VeraVanHorne/status/1319315472458895361

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Vladimir #Putin: Genuine democracy & civil society cannot be imported, be a product of the activities of foreign ‘well-wishers’. People in the countries where imported democracy schemes have been implemented were never asked for their opinion & their leaders are mere vassals.

https://twitter.com/A__Alimov/status/1319379377063342080

Looking at what is happening in the world, I’d like to say to those who are still waiting for the gradual fading of Russia. We are worried about only one thing: how not to catch a cold at your funeral.

https://twitter.com/VeraVanHorne/status/1319315472458895361

Yeah good ones, first Lavrov and now Putin, the break up with the West seems definitive. Russia has gathered enough resources to negotiate with them from a position of strength on all aspects and not only in terms of nuclear deterrence, and it is starting to show. Since the West is lead by unrecoverable narcissists that need their teeth kicked hard to start getting the message, that is pretty much what is in the cards. Putin will stay a responsible statesman but there is a limit to what Russia and China can do to avoid a new hot world war from getting started.

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Looking at what is happening in the world, I’d like to say to those who are still waiting for the gradual fading of Russia. We are worried about only one thing: how not to catch a cold at your funeral.

https://twitter.com/VeraVanHorne/status/1319315472458895361

Apparently this is an old Jewish joke. Very good use of it.

Only the NATzO fake stream media drivel pushes the notion that it is difficult to kill someone.   That even a strategic grade
nerve agent fails in this task.   Naturally no details are ever given as to how these alleged failed poisonings went down.  
Spreading around a nerve agent would cause serious injury to more than one individual.   Nobody would guess that a
victim they see in distress is a hazard zone and would get exposed rendering assistance.  The area immediately around the
nerve agent victim would be contaminated.   The British response to the supposed nerve agent attack on the Skripals was
actually legit, but the whole thing was theater.   It takes a few micrograms to kill but the supposed smearing of this agent
over a doorknob failed to kill.   This is pure nonsense since any smearing by hand over a doorknob would involve at the
very least tens of milligrams.  Enough to kill stone cold dead.   Carrying a whole perfume vial of this agent is inane fiction
since such an amount can kill tens of thousands.    As with the Skripals, the NATzO propaganda has it that Navalny
was exposed to some smeared surface.   He would be deader than dead.

BBC Hitman getting his arse handed to him:

President - to a Western journalist: Compared to the West, Russia is really white and fluffy

Vladimir Putin answered the question of a Western journalist, in which he fit all foreign "horror stories" about Russia. This is the "poisoning" of Navalny, and the "annexation" of Crimea, and the "militarism" of Russia "threatening the world." British journalist: "Or do you think you are white and fluffy?"

Vladimir Putin was clearly touched by this question, which may well be called arrogant. The head of state noted that if we compare Russia with the same West, then our country is really “white and fluffy”.

Vladimir Putin:

Crimea became part of Russia on the basis of a referendum, unlike Kosovo. The parliament made a decision there, and you said that everything is fine, everything is as it should be. Our people came and voted, but you don't like it. So tell me, if this is, as you say, annexation, why did you impose sanctions against Crimeans? What are they guilty of? And if this is not annexation, then it's time for you to admit that Crimea became part of the Russian state on the basis of a democratic procedure. If you don't think so, then it's time to stop and use the term about democracy.

According to Vladimir Putin, Russia has three bases abroad, and in terroristically dangerous areas - Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Syria, and the United States has bases around the world. Russia has a military budget of $ 46 billion, while the United States has $ 770 billion.

Putin:

Didn't you give us promises that NATO will not expand? Yes, it was a verbal promise, but nonetheless. NATO has expanded at least twice, moving closer to Russia's borders.

According to Putin, the Russian Federation cannot but react to this. The head of state recalled that it was not Russia withdrew from the ABM Treaty, it was not Russia with the INF Treaty, it was not Russia that withdrew from the Open Skies Treaty.

Vladimir Putin:

Look, you're smart. Why do you think that we are idiots here and cannot analyze basic things. So you will fly over us here and transmit information to the Americans, but we will not be able to fly over the USA.

The Russian President added that if the United States also rejects the proposal to extend the START III treaty for a year, then there will be no documents stabilizing the world at all, and there will be no restrictions for a new arms race.

Putin:

I will say with the words of Leopold the cat from our cartoon: “Guys! Let's live in peace".

https://en.topwar.ru/178259-prezident-zapadnomu-zhurnalistu-po-sravneniju-s-zapadom-rossija-dejstvitelno-belaja-i-pushistaja.html

Putin is throwing pearls before swine. These western urnalists are scum of the worst sort. They know that they spread lies and
blood libel. They know that they are the agents by which mass hysteria is induced to generate war. Urnalists should be tried
as war criminals and not some "messengers" that can't be shot. They need to be shot before they can spread their brain
poison.

I think Russians are too nice. If I saw a western journalist on some Russian street, I would start throwing rocks. They can
make their hate speech from outside of Russia's borders.

Putins worst feature is he is too polite and civilised.... what a bastard... I wish we had one...

He is also a Christian and being such isn't his duty to give his opponents the chance to do the right thing...

Two of Putin's bodyguards committed suicide.


https://glagol.press/blog/43141029983/Peskov-utochnil-prichinyi-samoubiystv-sotrudnikov-FSO-v-Moskve?utm_source=smi2&utm_medium=age_unknown&utm_campaign=47203&utm_content=9702681&utm_term=age_p_unknown

GarryB wrote:Putins worst feature is he is too polite and civilised.... what a bastard... I wish we had one...

He is also a Christian and being such isn't his duty to give his opponents the chance to do the right thing...

The problem is not Putin. The problem is the Russia's enemies who think nice guys are weak.

We already know the western politicians are stupid... considering their track record and the track record of their predecessors in terms of the effectiveness of sanctions and telling Putin what he should do... they still think it is just a case of one more sanction to make him do as they want him to do...

With Putin they had a Russian politician that was genuinely popular in Russia that was ready to cooperate and make things better for everyone, but the west can only think about themselves... they are so used to selling out their own people things like honesty and integrity never come in to their thinking... you always compromise because you only actually make a stand for show... everything is for sale... and with that mindset they approach negotiations.

Actually I used to think I was a good negotiator too... I used to work out the absolute best possible agreement for the other person that I would accept as a deal and I would make that my first offer... my opening position... but very quickly I realised that meant I had nothing I could give up and still make the agreement... I had no lee way... nothing to compromise on... it was diplomacy of the ultimatum... this is my deal, take it or leave it... but of course no one likes ultimatums and they expect to bargain.

The west does not know how to bargain... they can only offer threats.

That could work if the person they were bargaining with needed the deal... things like NS II... Russia doesn't need this deal... Germany does... it needs to secure its energy future, but if Russia does not complete the pipeline they can sell their gas through existing pipes... or liquefy the gas and sell it to anyone around the world... with no set contracts there will be more fluctuation in price, but that is OK... if the price is too low they are not obliged to sell.

Putin has spent the last 20 years trying to be friends and partners and the west has basically kicked sand in their faces and demonised them repeatedly.

The west has weaponised international organisations like the chemical weapons investigators and even sports organisations.

The west has a very high opinion of itself... and I can imagine the complaints if Russia treated the west anything like the west has treated Russia... the irony is that all the claims of gay abuse and intolerance... the west is far more intolerant than any other group of countries on the planet.

That is why I think that war is possible. It will be instigated by the western deciders through their incompetent, hubris filled
arrogance that Russia will bend with enough pressure. NATzO can spasm itself into a process which results in war. Every bit
of sane resistance by Russia will just be used to pump more hate hysteria and braying for war. The alliance system that led to
WWI will appear quaint and dignified. The future war on Russia will be worse than the war instigated by the Nazis. Germany was
cut off from resources even though it had some token African colonies. NATzO will start a war because the world is not big
enough for it. If Hitler was insane, then NATzO deciders are beyond insane.

I think the themes of power and corruption were touched on quite well in I, Claudius. I only watched the UK TV series, but
really should read the book. The rot you describe is associate with detachment from reality and thus insane decision making.
NATzO is rotten to the core and has terminal delusions of grandeur.

PS. All human societies are prone to such degeneration so I am not engaging in chauvinist project. At the present time it
is NATzO that is by fare the biggest threat to peace. And is the biggest source of the misery around the world.

"Some don't remember how much Putin has done for Russia"


"There are people in Russia who don’t remember how much Putin has done for Russia:

After 17 yea

Putin increased Russia’s budget 22-fold, military spending 30-fold, GDP 12-fold (Russia jumped from 36th place in the world in terms of GDP to 6th place);


Increased gold and foreign exchange reserves 48-fold!


Returned 256 mineral deposits to the Russian jurisdiction (it is left to return 3!);


Disrupted the most “liberal” production-sharing agreement in history – the PSA (explanation below);


Nationalized 65% of the oil industry and 95% of the gas and many other industries;


Raised industry and agriculture (Russia has been ranked 2nd-3rd in the world in terms of grain exports for 5 years in a row, overtaking the US, which is now in 4th place);


Increased average salaries in the public sector 18.5-fold in 12 years, and average pensions 14-fold.


Well, quite a trifle: Putin (it was precisely him) reduced the extinction of the Russian population from 1.5 million people a year in 1999 to 21,000 in 2011, i.e. 71.5-fold.


Canceled the Khasavyurt Accord – thus he defended the integrity of Russia;


Made known the NGO-5th column and banned deputies from having accounts abroad;


Defended Syria;


topped the war in Chechnya."







https://www.stalkerzone.org/some-dont-remember-how-much-putin-has-done-for-russia/

kvs wrote:

GarryB wrote:Putins worst feature is he is too polite and civilised.... what a bastard... I wish we had one...

He is also a Christian and being such isn't his duty to give his opponents the chance to do the right thing...

The problem is not Putin.   The problem is the Russia's enemies who think nice guys are weak.

The problem with Russia is that they have a very weak leader ,with no balls ,and no fucking clue
of how to counter its enemies  or make Russia get the respect that Russia deserves and he wants.
He wants to help his country ,but he is so dumb ,so attached to the past , so outdated , that is highly unlikely he will ever achieve anything good for Russia that could last , at best what he can do is delay things , freeze problems ,but never will solve them.  



Putin allows its enemies to outplay him ,to spit on Russia face all the time ,to murder his soldiers and get away with it. Putin allows its foreign paid traitors to freely walk in the nation and recruit people. he just too soft ,too weak ,too polite ,and this is what encourage any traitor opposition or enemies  to continue attacking Russia. because they know Putin's is weak and there will be no consequences for them and their hostilities against Russia.

Look at navalny , the russian laws only give him 30 days of jail...
what kind of bullshit is that ? Why that criminal traitor is allowed to ever leave jail
after so many years organizing movements to destroy from the inside the nation ?

all those protesters that are arrested will be in a couple of hours back in their homes enjoying
hot chocolate laughing their ass of their advanture.. navalny will continue abusing the system
to look like a victim and the government like a villain , he is trying to manipulate public opinion
and take advantage of putin well deserved damaged popularity. they will release him in 30 days and the protest will continue.. in my opinion Putin is far more dangerous ,than a traitor that navalny is , because navalny controls nothing in the way russia is developed ,but putin controls all.
So if russia face a major war ,it will be putin to blame not navalny. and if that idiot continue free causing problems to russia is putin and russian weak laws ,that allows such foreign paid agents to abuse the laws and do it. is weak hand , with totally clueless development what hurts more russia.

Putin do have good qualities , that are important , lets say the very m

inimum qualities to lead
a country in a constructive way he have . but all this qualities are the very minimum ones for a constructive leader , but they are next to useless when facing war .

When a nation face war , you need either to convince the aggressors that what they doing is not
in their interest or fight back.. there is no other option. If someone punch your face ,and start attacking your family ,you need to fight back.. and putin is not fighting back.. the coward ,what he
is doing is delaying his problems , using weakness as "power" .  

Putin body language talks of a very insecure person , and his soft speaking and head looking down is evidence of that , people that speak soft and too polite are people that are afraid of making other angry , they can't handle well others rejection and hostilities and this is why he is always being too nice with everyone.

There is a saying likes attract similar . and this is very true specially in politics. If you have a very weak and incompetent president like Putin is ,he will recruit people that is similar to him ,weak and incompetent too.  If a corrupt leader is in power ,he will attract people that are as corrupt as him.

This is the reason why Russia have so many incompetent people in power , because they have an incompetent leader ,the he hires incompetent too. If it wasn't by the russian scientific community ,that helps the russian army to be capable and strong , long time ago ,russia will have cease to exist.

Putin is not a leader , he is a manager but not a leader ,they are two different things.
some orthodox might even see him as an spiritual advisor ,but that's it.  but praying will not
save Russia only leadership can do that.


How important is a good leader , can be better understood by comparing it to music.
The director of an orchestra , is the one that makes the arrangement of the music they will play
the tempo and the one that hires the musicians . If you have a bad orchestra director , he will hire
mediocre musicians and or will be very bad at composing music or worse he will have no control
over the orchestra and everyone will be playing their own thing.. so when you have a bad leader ,
the choices for music will be bad , and how the music will be played too ,and people will not like it and not return again and the band will go out of business.


Being president of a nation does not necessarily means you are a leader.
what is a leader?  Leaders are = MOTIVATORS that convince people to follow you.
and the best leaders are those that inspire millions to even put at risk their lives for following them.

Being a leader( a big influencer ) ,that convince people to follow you , does not necessarily means they are good people.. you have as an example Hitler , he was very strong leadership skills.. and people followed him ,all the way to do crazy impossible things ,and risked their lives because they trusted in him and convinced them (deceived them) he was the leader that was going to make their lives better. So hitler was an example of what strong leadership can do ,if used in a negative way.

The biggest leader in our generation ,was perhaps Fidel Castro , he was an exceptional leader ,
in every way shape or form , and his problems was not leadership ,but wisdom ,he underestimated
how difficult was going to be for Cuba to gain "independence" while being so small island and so close to a powerful empire.  When fidel castro became president it was in the middle of a time ,that US was completely starting to lead the world with business and began to influence too much the world and their dollar became world currency and soviet union was losing.  So fidel revolution was doomed from the start to take off , he had no chance to make Cuba a prosperous nation ,when having a powerful empire with super powerful military right next its borders. So any sanction of cuba was enough to deter the economic growth of that nation ,since every other nation would have not risk facing sanctions from US.

Another exceptional leader was chavez  , he was so good , that even after the CIA coup in 2002 ,
that US bribed many generals to arrest chavez and send him to a fort they hesitated to kill him . he was very good with his dialogues ,he could convince anyone to do anything. he was an exceptional leader ,but his problem was they did not understood well , their enemies . he made the same mistakes Putin is doing ,that placed all his bet on the oil industry , thinking that he could sustain a revolution with oil sales alone.  

That said Russia major weakness is lack of leadership , lack of a good director ,that guides the nation
to a real future , where russia is truly independent from the west and is self sufficient in everything.
Any president of russia not only need to be strong leader ,but also very smart in understanding exactly in what direction they need to develop the country , in times of war , like russia is facing now.
ignoring the west is not an option , Russia needs to influence europe away from US orbit , otherwise
the nations Russia fails to do it ,will end fighting them in a major NATO war . And the only way to do that is look at what china is doing.. fighting the west in their own games. challenging western high tech business hegemony , this is how you defeat a modern empires.

Xi Jinping have some leadership abilities , is nothing big , but at very least ,they do have a major
vision of what china needs and move in that direction to not allow US to achieve absolute world hegemony  by creating an alternative to the western system.


All major problems Russia face , from sanctions ,from wars , proxy wars , to 5th columns
traitors navalnies  ,to economic problems and security , all of them are consequence of
Russia lack of leadership (lack of influence) ,lack of development in the areas that most matter.
In an ideal world of peace ,where every nation respect each other , any idiot can do a good job
as president . but we don't live in an utopian world.. we live in a very divided world with new wars
every year or so and vast majority of those wars and undeclared wars , that russia face.
all said , i don't see Russia to ever take off with that incompetent in chief ,vladimir putin.
the only hope russia have to not split and lose the entire east ,from siberia to vladisvostok ,stpeterburg and caucasus is either china success in creating alternative system or that europe choose to not cooperate with US , in their sanctions against russia.

Putin knows Navalny is a nothing and not even nearly a threat to himself or Russia, but he also knows that the west is trying to push him the same way they took cookies to Ukraine and gave those lovely edible ties to Georgia, and also stirred trouble in Belarus.

I think this will be enough to make Putin actually want to push back a little, because the west is really crossing the line now, and even if they stop where they are now they are clearly not going to be part of Russias independent free future, so who gives a fuck about them any more.

Russia needs to turn its focus to BRICS and to the rest of the world and just make tactical nuclear weapons to deal with the west.

Simply make it clear Russia has no interest or ideas of invading or occupying any western country, and that any conflict in Europe will mainly consist of Russia first defending itself from attack and then destroying the source of the attack with nuclear weapons... whether that means nuking Poland or Latvia or the Ukraine... so be it, but the command structure will be hit as well so if the attack came from Brussels or London or Paris or Berlin or Washington there will be a nuclear present headed there too.

Don't want to be nuked then don't start anything... real simple.