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    Post  kvs on Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:56 pm

    Some whackjob or patsy started a fire at the Kyoto Animation studio. So far 33 people have died and 36 have been injured with 10 in
    critical condition.

    This incident is worthy of discussion since it is too f*cking easy to stage such crimes.

    1) The building in question was clearly a fire-trap even though it looked new. It must not have had proper sprinklers for
    such a large building. It also had not enough stairwells and people were scrambling to get to the roof and died. All office
    buildings around 100 people should have stairwells at each corner of the building. There is no way that one arsonist could
    kill so many people if this was the case. Having stairwells concentrated in the interior is a cheap solution but not the
    best solution.

    Emergency fabric chutes would have been perfect for this low rise. Instead of talking about new fire safety tech, it should
    be deployed.

    2) It is time to stop with the free range mental patients fad. Lunatics need to be locked up in asylums. Or euthenized.

    3) This case is suspicious since this company was a distinct outlier in its treatment of animators. It was the only company
    that hired them as staff with benefits. The other Japanese animation companies hire $500 per month "contractors" without
    benefits and thus run sweatshops. This results in a 90% turnover after 3 years. Such policies give the owners of these outfits massive money flow. Any risk to losing this lucre flux would be a pure motive for sabotage and gangland murder.

    4) While the scum at Charlie Shitbdo got hearts bleeding around the world, these victims will be ignored. Kyoto Animation
    did more for the world than an infinity of Charlie Shitbdos.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:21 am


    Well kvs I definitely didn't expect you of all people to be familiar with anime let alone a specific studio

    In my short year long (and counting) career as a part-time weeb I heard quite a few horror stories about treatment of workers in anime industry but ironically this particular studio (Kyoto) was only one that didn't treat their employees like disposable slave labor

    Funny that this happens to them of all studios

    Building itself is pretty standard, problem was that this nutbar knew what he was doing: he first torched both staircases trapping people on top floor and since this was animation studio the place was stuffed with paper, electronics, wooden furniture and office supplies

    They were all doomed from the start

    After that he went postal on people on bottom floor

    As for free range psychos nothing will change there because in Japan (and China and Korea as well) psychological problems like depression, anxiety, panic and other stuff are not considered medical conditions but "weaknesses of spirit and personality" which person needs to conceal and overcome on his own lest he brings dishonor to himself and his family

    Suicide is actually considered valid way out for those who can't cope with pressure and there is oh so much pressure in Japan

    I am pretty sure that only profession there where you have any ​hope for something we would call normal life is agriculture, everything else is shark tank




    PS: I am not much of a fan of this particular studio (save for couple of shows), their stories tend to uncreatively fizzle out and end up inconclusively but they definitely didn't deserve this



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    Post  GarryB on Fri Jul 19, 2019 2:32 am

    Just handed in my semi auto rifles because of some dickhead, and now this...

    What amazes me is that Japan has very strict gun laws, yet idiots still kill people in large mass killings.

    Perhaps gun bans are not really an answer... in fact gun ownership at least gives you the names of people who own firearms... anyone can buy a hand held blowtorch and some tins of fuel...

    Anyway, RIP to the victims and shame and pain to the instigator.
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:20 am

    GarryB wrote:Just handed in my semi auto rifles because of some dickhead, and now this...

    What amazes me is that Japan has very strict gun laws, yet idiots still kill people in large mass killings.

    Perhaps gun bans are not really an answer... in fact gun ownership at least gives you the names of people who own firearms... anyone can buy a hand held blowtorch and some tins of fuel...

    Anyway, RIP to the victims and shame and pain to the instigator.

    Yea, you shouldn't have done that, the only reason that fool was stopped is because one of the Mosques had someone with a gun there.
    The next shooter won't be stopped.

    Gun bans are truly useless, look at Britain, now they're talking about knife bans. Laughing

    Besides, Gun Bans are just the prelude to Authoritarianism, it's a slow process, but without the guns, it will happen.
    BTW, your Prime Minister's already wearing a He-jab, so the Islamification of N.Z is well underway it seems.
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:22 am

    Well, who knew there were such radical Otakus around.
    And some very interesting info about the Studio.

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    Post  kvs on Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:04 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:Well, who knew there were such radical Otakus around.
    And some very interesting info about the Studio.


    This clown goes overboard with his whole "feminazi" BS. I judge this studio by their anime. They have produced some of the most
    memorable series in the whole Japanese anime industry. It makes not a shred of difference that they supposedly don't do "fan service", etc.
    But this is not even true since there is plenty in "Miss Kobayashi's Dragon Maid", for example. Kyoto Animation also had some of the
    best production quality in anime.




    As for the perp, he is a nut job apparently. Back when humans needed to survive, such specimens were disposed of. In modern,
    advanced and "tolerant" society they get to murder dozens of innocents.

    As noted above, Japan is proof that guns don't kill people, people kill people and gun control is BS. Mentally deranged maggots will
    always find a way to engage in mass murder (e.g. sabotaging break lines on a highway bus). If this studio had an armed guard,
    the perp would likely have been shot before he could fully carry out his sick desires.

    RIP to the victims.


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    Post  AlfaT8 on Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:09 pm

    You know, i like seen kvs pissed, here's another.

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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:37 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:You know, i like seen kvs pissed, here's another....


    Wait, are you trying to say that KyoAni is part of some "feminist conspiracy" or something just because they hire women?

    That's pure bullshit

    1) In terms of gender equality Japan is just slightly more relaxed Saudi Arabia with more access to sex and superior fashion

    2) This studio's primary product line are romance genre stories which are targeted at kids and girls and are more often than not written and created by female authors so it's perfectly logical that they would hire those who are more qualified for the job


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    Post  Odin of Ossetia on Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:21 am

    GarryB wrote:Just handed in my semi auto rifles because of some dickhead, and now this...

    What amazes me is that Japan has very strict gun laws, yet idiots still kill people in large mass killings.

    Perhaps gun bans are not really an answer... in fact gun ownership at least gives you the names of people who own firearms... anyone can buy a hand held blowtorch and some tins of fuel...

    Anyway, RIP to the victims and shame and pain to the instigator.




    And there are at least two excellent examples in the world:


    Poland, one of the lowest gun ownership rates on a per capita basis in the world but hardly a safe country.

    By the way, I guess people outside of Poland are not aware of it, but the murder rate in Poland is actually significantly higher than what is officially reported. The reason for this is that people who are beaten to death are not officially counted as being murdered, they are counted as victims of "lethal beatings" and since so few people have guns, there are far more people who are beaten to death than shot to death.

    As a result, the official murder rate in Poland is actually significantly lower than the real murder rate.



    Another excellent example is Mexico, even worse than Poland, and they have only a single gun store in a country with a population of over 100 million. But are people safe down there? I guess not.



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    Post  AlfaT8 on Sat Jul 20, 2019 1:21 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:You know, i like seen kvs pissed, here's another....


    Wait, are you trying to say that KyoAni is part of some "feminist conspiracy" or something just because they hire women?

    What???.... no.

    I just wanted to read another axe-grinding from kvs.

    KyoAni has nothing to do with Feminism.
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Fri Jul 26, 2019 9:36 pm

    Well looks like the Weebs are usurping power in Japan.

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    Post  higurashihougi on Sun Jul 28, 2019 11:33 am

    My limited knowledge about such incidents in Japan is that the culprits had a nasty tendency of being underpunished, this case is an intentional mass murder and I am afraid that the culprit will not get a corresponding punishment for the crime.

    And may be it's just me, but I fear that we will never know the whole story about the reasons of this mass murder.

    This blow is devastating, 33 people were killed and most of the stored documents were destroyed, this is their main office. I wonder how KyoAni will cope after this incident.
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    Post  kvs on Sun Jul 28, 2019 4:01 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:My limited knowledge about such incidents in Japan is that the culprits had a nasty tendency of being underpunished, this case is an intentional mass murder and I am afraid that the culprit will not get a corresponding punishment for the crime.

    And may be it's just me, but I fear that we will never know the whole story about the reasons of this mass murder.

    This blow is devastating, 33 people were killed and most of the stored documents were destroyed, this is their main office. I wonder how KyoAni will cope after this incident.

    Thanks for bringing this aspect up. The maggot who staged this crime should be tortured to death over a long period of time.
    I don't believe in BS notions such "innocent by reason of insanity" or "innocent by reason of being a retard". These notions are
    BS fake moralizing created the west. For some reason the rights of the victims(s) is not as important. If some maggot
    is mentally capable of staging an arson attack or using any sort of weapon, then they are fully guilty of the crime. In spite
    of their "insanity" or "retardation" clear choices are being made. People are ignorant of the fact that full blown retards (aka autistics)
    are not vegetables and are smarter than even some primates. Lunatics are messed up but not retarded so they are fully
    aware of their choices. The mere act of committing the crime selects these individuals as having enough competence to
    stand trial. Individuals who are actually unaware would not stage serious crimes in the first place.
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    Post  Regular on Sun Jul 28, 2019 4:05 pm

    Japanese are such weirdos. They are alien to me, their whole world view is so distant from me.
    Anime is probably worse thing that came out of this Island.
    People who in their adult age watch animated cartoons, worship katanas and Nippon culture are pathetic. No wonder they are willing to commit such vile acts like burning a studio of thst draws anime for children.

    Closest thing to anime I've watched was Snow Queen (1957) from USSR and I seen it as a kid.
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    Post  higurashihougi on Sun Jul 28, 2019 6:20 pm

    Unlike many other regions, Japanese picture books and animation are made for both adults and kids. There are many manga and anime written about politics, history, serious social issues, and many contain 18+ images, for example Historie and Vinland Saga, there are images of deformed bodies of soldiers killed in the ancient battlefields.

    Of course there are many low quality manga, such as porn (hentai) and other disgusting pieces which are made only for money and to satisfy disgusting taste of certain readers.
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    Post  kvs on Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:17 pm

    Regular wrote:Japanese are such weirdos. They are alien to me, their whole world view is so distant from me.
    Anime is probably worse thing that came out of this Island.
    People who in their adult age watch animated cartoons, worship katanas and Nippon culture are pathetic. No wonder they are willing to commit such vile acts like burning a studio of thst draws anime for children.

    Closest thing to anime I've watched was Snow Queen (1957) from USSR and I seen it as a kid.

    I guess you haven't really seen enough of it to know. It is not cartoons and it is many times more interesting in my view than live
    action shows from North America. Also, it does not pretend to be serious drama and is a form of escapism. In a stiff society
    like Japan where it is very hard to be relaxed around other people (their whole language is structured around politeness and
    deference to hierarchy to an extent unknown by Europeans) such diversions serve as a useful relief valve. The nutjob who torched
    the building is a product of this society but is also fully responsible for his actions.

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    Post  kvs on Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:21 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:Unlike many other regions, Japanese picture books and animation are made for both adults and kids. There are many manga and anime written about politics, history, serious social issues, and many contain 18+ images, for example Historie and Vinland Saga, there are images of deformed bodies of soldiers killed in the ancient battlefields.

    There is nothing perverse about the Japanese anime industry output as a whole. It is better than all of the western cartoons and most live action shows and movies.
    But that depends on one's preference. Connoisseurs of Hollywood BS may disagree.

    Of course there are many low quality manga, such as porn (hentai) and other disgusting pieces which are made only for money and to satisfy disgusting taste of certain readers.

    That can be said about the rest of the world as well.
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    Post  higurashihougi on Thu Aug 01, 2019 7:42 am

    https://soranews24.com/2019/07/31/kyoto-animation-confirms-it-received-novel-from-writer-with-same-name-address-as-arson-suspect/amp/

    The July 18 arson attack on Kyoto Animation’s Fushimi studio has resulted in the deaths of 35 employees who were in the building at the time the arsonist struck. Though the building was compliant with all local fire codes, such regulations are largely designed as precautions for accidental fires, not the sort of pre-meditated attack that was carried out on the anime production company.

    Based on security camera footage and witness reports, investigators believe that the suspect, 41-year-old Shinji Aoba, purchased two 20-liter (5.3-gallon) canisters of gasoline at a gas station, the wheeled them to the studio on a hand cart before igniting them inside the building, and also spraying the flame accelerant directly on victims.

    The pre-meditated nature of the attack suggests a grudge against the company and/or its employees, and as Aoba was taken into custody by police he was heard to have shouted “They ripped me off” and “They stole my novel, so I set the fire.” Following the attack, Kyoto Animation CEO Hideaki Hatta said “I have no idea what he’s talking about,” and that he had never had any written or spoken communication with Aoba.

    However, on July 30 Kyoto Animation’s attorney said that they have since confirmed that the company did receive a novel from a person named Shinji Aoba, and from an address that matches that of the suspect’s apartment.

    Since 2010, Kyoto Animation has annually solicited novel submissions, from professional or amateur writers, for its Kyoto Animation Awards. In addition to a one-million yen (US$9,260) prize for the grand winner, Kyoto Animation has entered into publishing deals for outstanding entries via its KA Esuma Bunko book label, and a number have also been adapted into Kyoto Animation anime series, such as Violet Evergarden, Free!, and Love, Chunibyo & Other Delusions.

    Kyoto Animation’s attorney went on to say that the novel submitted by Shinji Aoba was formally eliminated from the contest in the first round of judges’ evaluations. “We have confirmed that it has no similarity to any Kyoto Animation works,” he added.

    It’s unclear whether Hatta’s initial statement that he had never received any written communication from Aoba is a result of one quickly eliminated novel not being noteworthy enough to stick out in his memory, or if the Kyoto Animation head simply wasn’t personally involved in the initial round of contest judging. Meanwhile, Hatta has promised that, despite the immense loss the company has suffered, Kyoto Animation “will not go quietly into the night.”
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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Aug 01, 2019 2:44 pm


    Yeah you see the problem with this claim that they ripped him off is that 99% of all anime have four things in common:

    1) Generic characters

    2) Generic settings

    3) Generic storylines

    4) Vague and inconclusive endings

    So unless this guy's story is something that seriously sticks out there is no way he will ever be able to prove it (and even if he could it's still no excuse for mass murder)




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    Post  GarryB on Fri Aug 02, 2019 3:28 am

    Well even if he has proof... here you are... here is $30,000 dollars for your work... and now you owe us $300 million dollars for the damage done and lives taken and also 30 consecutive life sentences in jail for your senseless act.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Aug 02, 2019 4:03 am

    GarryB wrote:Well even if he has proof... here you are... here is $30,000 dollars for your work... and now you owe us $300 million dollars for the damage done and lives taken and also 30 consecutive life sentences in jail for your senseless act.

    Japan is rocking death sentence, this guy is going to hang (or whatever they do there)

    Best of all they don't tell them when is execution scheduled for, maybe tomorrow, maybe 20 years from now

    They just open the door one day and it's all over so every day when they bring food or take them outside or whatever it could be the moment it's all over

    Very often guards just open the door to fuck with them

    That's how you do death sentence




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