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    Post  GarryB on Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:13 am

    Hole wrote:Official MoD release claims Vodopad.

    Vodopad:

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    Kaliber:

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    Look like twins.

    They are all the same weapon... both carry the same torpedo payload... in the top drawing you see the actual torpedo payload both separate and attached to the weapon, and in the bottom drawing is the same weapon with the pointed nose fairing fitted.

    This is a solid rocket boosted ballistic weapon that is supersonic so the bigger one launched from submarines is 8 metres long and has a firing range of 50km and a solid rocket booster that carries it at mach 2.5 on its ballistic flight to the target area where it drops into the water and releases the torpedo... it is distinctive because of its rear grid fin design... it is called 91re1 and is the weapon depicted above in both drawings and the photo.

    The other weapon is also a solid rocket boosted ballistic weapon that is also supersonic but is only 6.5m long and has a much smaller solid rocket booster called 91re2 that is launched from ships and has a 40km range and a mach 2 ballistic speed to deliver the same torpedo.

    Both have pointed noses, but the shorter missile has a much shorter solid fuel rocket booster and more conventional fins on the missile (not the booster).

    Both are part of the Club family, but neither are the Kalibr which is a subsonic land attack cruise missile that the Club family of weapons are based upon.

    This is Kalibr:

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    While the other missiles of the Club family are detailed on wiki:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3M-54_Kalibr

    If you scroll the above page down to Export Variants you can see images of the subsonic anti ship and land attack models and then the two 91RE anti sub ballistic torpedo delivery rockets... if you scroll back up to the Operational History title you will see the supersonic anti ship model with the long range cruise missile with the rocket powered final attack stage (note the pointed nose).

    EDIT: Note both ballistic anti sub Club missiles (91re1 and 91re2) are 533mm and are fired from torpedo tubes. The shorter ship launched missile can also be loaded into the UKSK launcher system. I suspect they are working on a longer ranged model for the new UKSK-M launcher just to extend the range of the weapon.

    Compared even with a super high speed torpedo like Shkval, this weapon is much faster and gives the target almost no warning of the attack until the torpedo hits the water and starts searching for targets.
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    Post  kumbor on Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:52 pm

    There is still no any proved data about light torpedo carried by Vodopad. Is it APR3 or derivative - rocket powered, or it is classical propeller/ pump jet powered light torpedo?

    Anyway, Pyotr Velikiy is long overdue for capital refit. Long range 3D radar is long outdated, Fregat MR2 needs substitute with newer version, not to mention recore and overhaul of powerplant. After Nahimov`s refit is completed, PV should be put in refit as quick as possible. She was laid down in 1987, so hull should be inspected thoroughly. Some russian  specialists cite that she was rotten from the first day of service. i don`t believe, but she is in a grave need of refit anyway.
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    Post  verkhoturye51 on Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:35 pm

    Modernization now slated to begin only after Nakhimov will be back in service in 2022. No mention of S-500.

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    Post  Hole on Wed Mar 27, 2019 4:25 pm

    Somewhere in the first pages of this thread it was mentioned that the S-300F will stay and be fitted with a new missile. Range: 350km and active radar seeker.
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    Post  verkhoturye51 on Wed Mar 27, 2019 4:55 pm

    It would be appropriate that Peter would get better air defense than Nakhimov. The US has lately made considerable progress in the field of anti-ship missiles with LRASM and SM-6. S-500's radar 91N6 with 600 km range would benefit the air defense greatly, because it would buy more reaction time. Such radar offers higher reliability and capability than drones or helicopters.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Mar 28, 2019 12:49 am

    verkhoturye51 wrote:Modernization now slated to begin only after Nakhimov will be back in service in 2022. No mention of S-500.

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    It was never supposed to get S-500

    S-300 launchers with S-400 missiles plus S-400 radar

    Good enough for legacy ship
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:38 am

    S-500 is an ABM system designed to shoot down ICBMs and SLBMs... not the most sensible use of available space on a cruiser really.

    The APR-3ME is described as being used in naval anti submarine missile systems as homing warheads separated from carriers in the air or in the water depending on their basing (Sub or ship).

    So, yes it is the payload of the 91ER1 and 91RE2.
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    Post  Isos on Fri Mar 29, 2019 10:52 am

    S-500 is an ABM system designed to shoot down ICBMs and SLBMs... not the most sensible use of available space on a cruiser really.

    Agree. S-400 radars with 250km missiles is more than enough. Some 400km missiles for AWACS, tankers and p-8 would be nice too.

    But what they definitly needs is a huge L band radar with 2500+km range powered by the nuclear reactor to act as a Early warning radar and connect it to the ground network of those huge radars used for detecting ICBM launches.
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    Post  verkhoturye51 on Fri Mar 29, 2019 11:05 am

    S-500 is an ABM system designed to shoot down ICBMs and SLBMs... not the most sensible use of available space on a cruiser really.

    What are you talking about, they seem to want it on smaller cruiser concept Lider?

    If Peter's modernization will be anything like Nakhomov's, than there should be plenty of space left, starting with the space between UKSK and S-300 launchers, as well as in front of S-300, where they've offered an extra space for 4 UKSKs:

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    No to mention ex-Kinzhal sections in the stern, which will be reduntant, now that there are Pantsir-M and short-range S-400 missiles. They go 2-3 decks below. Even with S-500's radars, they'd need much more space for helicopters or drones. Without AWACS, warship becomes arsenal ship, and it's well known to be a weak spot of Russia, with fewer millitary satellites and CVNs than the US. I could imagine a large part of deck filled with big drones, ready to launch most of the time, with elevators to get them from beneath. A drone-carrying cruiser concept.
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    Post  hoom on Sun Mar 31, 2019 1:46 am

    starting with the space between UKSK and S-300 launchers
    Granit has an angled launcher, the gap is because of the angle.
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    Kinzhal areas are probably getting Redut, your pic (which I think is a pretty conservative estimate for Nakhimov) indicates 8 modules (64 cells).
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Jun 11, 2019 1:52 am

    I could imagine a large part of deck filled with big drones, ready to launch most of the time, with elevators to get them from beneath. A drone-carrying cruiser concept.
    Or they could dedicate a few Oscars filled with UAVs to accompany them. Supply ships could carry & launch them too.

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