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    Post  southpark on Fri Apr 05, 2019 2:38 pm

    George1 wrote:KOROLYOV /Moscow Region/, April 4. /TASS/. A Soyuz-2.1a carrier rocket with a Progress MS-11 space freighter has blasted off to the International Space Station (ISS) from the Baikonur Cosmodrome, Russia’s Flight Control Center announced on Thursday.

    I clicked on your link and in the same website here is another piece of info....

    "A Soyuz-2.1a carrier rocket with a Progress MS-11 cargo spaceship blasted off from Site No. 31 of the Baikonur Cosmodrome at 2:01 p.m. Moscow time on Thursday. Three hours and 21 minutes later the spaceship docked to the ISS. Commenting on the new record time, Director General of Roscosmos Dmitry Rogozin compared the flight time to the time it takes to get from the Baikonur Cosmodrome to Moscow"


    Just curious about some of you space enthusiasts insights....if it was possible to do this before then why haven't they done it before? It does not appear like physical characteristics of the ship or the rocket that launches it or the place where it got launched from changed much and mostly software and calculations probably....is it because of faster computers or newly discovered algorithms or just the risks were addressed only now....if so what were the risks? Rogozin comparing with Moscow does not make sense....one is rocket travel and the other conventional in-atmosphere and air as medium travel. Nothing about him but it just makes me think for a min to when someone compares like that....kinda makes sense but kinda feels silly.
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Sat Apr 06, 2019 1:28 am

    southpark wrote:
    George1 wrote:KOROLYOV /Moscow Region/, April 4. /TASS/. A Soyuz-2.1a carrier rocket with a Progress MS-11 space freighter has blasted off to the International Space Station (ISS) from the Baikonur Cosmodrome, Russia’s Flight Control Center announced on Thursday.

    I clicked on your link and in the same website here is another piece of info....

    "A Soyuz-2.1a carrier rocket with a Progress MS-11 cargo spaceship blasted off from Site No. 31 of the Baikonur Cosmodrome at 2:01 p.m. Moscow time on Thursday. Three hours and 21 minutes later the spaceship docked to the ISS. Commenting on the new record time, Director General of Roscosmos Dmitry Rogozin compared the flight time to the time it takes to get from the Baikonur Cosmodrome to Moscow"


    Just curious about some of you space enthusiasts insights....if it was possible to do this before then why haven't they done it before? It does not appear like physical characteristics of the ship or the rocket that launches it or the place where it got launched from changed much and mostly software and calculations probably....is it because of faster computers or newly discovered algorithms or just the risks were addressed only now....if so what were the risks? Rogozin comparing with Moscow does not make sense....one is rocket travel and the other conventional in-atmosphere and air as medium travel. Nothing about him but it just makes me think for a min to when someone compares like that....kinda makes sense but kinda feels silly.

    Its quite a challenge to do this, it takes precise timing and an exact trajectory, and these are not easy things to do. Readying a rocket for launch is a complex affair and much can go wrong (or sub-optimally) which affects you readiness to lift-off on time. A delay in liftoff or a slight deviation on the trajectory and you don't end up in the optimum place for an intercept. You'd need to burn too much fuel to achieve the quick rendezous, so would need to need to revert to the slow method of multiple orbital changes. Play some Kerbal space program and you'll see what I mean :-)
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    Post  southpark on Sat Apr 06, 2019 2:15 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:

    Its quite a challenge to do this, it takes precise timing and an exact trajectory, and these are not easy things to do.  Readying a rocket for launch is a complex affair and much can go wrong (or sub-optimally) which affects you readiness to lift-off on time.  A delay in liftoff or a slight deviation on the trajectory and you don't end up in the optimum place for an intercept.  You'd need to burn too much fuel to achieve the quick rendezous, so would need to need to revert to the slow method of multiple orbital changes.  Play some Kerbal space program and you'll see what I mean :-)

    That is all true even for a missile and they are all ready doing it...but curious what really changed? Now that they have more satellite's (relays and what not), so the comm's may be better and reliable? My guess is computers, comm's and algorithms. I do not know if windowing matters for these kinds of shortened rendezvous
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    Post  Hole on Sat Apr 06, 2019 11:15 am

    Yes, more processing power. And the determination to change the tested approach.

    The old method took longer (slowly catching up to the station) but had the advantage that the rocket could be launched at any time and the space station could be anywhere along its orbit. The new method is much faster (preferable for the space travelers) but the space station has to be in a specific position compared to the cosmodrome. Sometimes the station is put on a higher orbit to facilitate the travel.
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    Post  southpark on Sat Apr 06, 2019 11:27 pm

    Yeah, I agree...unless someone else can explain it in more details on the exactness of it. Orbital calculations are pretty precise and they have been doing the window calculations since for ever (interplanetory) but you have point about "determination to change"...I would have said it differently :-)
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Sun Apr 07, 2019 1:18 am

    southpark wrote:Yeah, I agree...unless someone else can explain it in more details on the exactness of it. Orbital calculations are pretty precise and they have been doing the window calculations since for ever (interplanetory) but you have point about "determination to change"...I would have said it differently :-)

    Like I said, its not about orbital calculations or computers, its simply due to the difficulties inherent in trying to synchronise your launch down to the second and fly a near-perfect launch trajectory so that you are at the exact point in space at the exact time and exact speed and heading to intercept an orbital facility travelling at 7.8km/s. As Hole mentioned, you need to time your launch so that the targets (ISS) orbital path is directly over the launch point and lift off precisely at the correct moment. You need to be absolutely precise as your spacecraft has very limited delta-V to correct for errors.  Miss by a fraction and you need to abort and take the long, slow but energy efficient method.
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    Post  southpark on Sun Apr 07, 2019 4:27 am

    What you mentioned can also be called calculations and are done by computers in way of algorithms....or you had something else in mind?
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    Post  Austin on Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:49 am

    Interview with Dimitri Rogozin

    https://www.kp.ru/best/msk/dmitrij-rogozin-v-kp/
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    Post  dino00 on Thu Apr 11, 2019 1:39 pm

    Austin wrote:Interview with Dimitri Rogozin

    https://www.kp.ru/best/msk/dmitrij-rogozin-v-kp/

    Not just interview, Tremendous interview!
    2022 is the breakthrough year
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    Post  dino00 on Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:43 am

    NPO Energomash chief designer: we are ready to supply reusable engines for Russian rockets

    https://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=2&nid=506030&lang=RU

    Rogozin: all new missiles designed in Russia are conceived as reusable

    Dmitry Rogozin noted that the entire new rocket and space technology is conceived as being returned


    The whole new rocket and space technology, one that will be actively used not only in federal, but also in commercial programs, is conceived as being returned,” Rogozin said during a visit to NPO Energomash on Friday, answering the question Are there plans to create missiles with returnable elements in Russia similar to Falcon Heavy.

    The head of Roskosmos noted that the engines that journalists can observe at the enterprise now "have already been made digitally and generally suggest the possibility of multiple use."

    "The most expensive and most difficult thing in a rocket is an engine. About 70-80% of the cost of a launch vehicle is a power plant. If it is in itself adapted for repeated use, it means that it must be returned. government will be discussed, "- said Rogozin.

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Apr 12, 2019 2:28 pm

    If they can develop scramjet motors that work at up to mach 27 then they could design and make reusable space planes...
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    Post  George1 on Sat Apr 13, 2019 5:49 pm

    Putin says price tag for brand-new National Space Center to cost about $390 mln


    According to Putin, the center should not only comprise everything directly related to space but should also include an adjacent cluster of correlated fields that the space industry urgently needs

    KHIMKI /near Moscow/, April 12. /TASS/. Russia’s National Space Center, which should become a world-class one, will cost about 25 billion rubles ($389.38 mln) to set up and will create about 20,000 new jobs, Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Friday.

    Russia marks Cosmonautics Day on April 12, so the president visited the Energomash rocket plant to oversee promising projects in rocket engineering and to talk to employees.

    "The project will cost about 25 billion rubles. We expect that by 2022 the outline [of the center] will have appeared," Putin said.

    "We want and I hope that it will look cutting-edge, magnificent and worthy of the industry. Moreover, our scientific and educational prospects would be concentrated there," he stressed.

    According to Putin, the center should not only comprise everything directly related to space but should also include an adjacent cluster of correlated fields that the space industry urgently needs, for example materials science.

    "I imagine that it can and must turn into a world-class center. It will be definitely fascinating for prospective young specialists like you. I think we will be able to create up to 20,000 new high-class jobs there," Putin said.


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    Post  kvs on Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:23 pm

    George1 wrote:

    Putin says price tag for brand-new National Space Center to cost about $390 mln



    According to Putin, the center should not only comprise everything directly related to space but should also include an adjacent cluster of correlated fields that the space industry urgently needs

    KHIMKI /near Moscow/, April 12. /TASS/. Russia’s National Space Center, which should become a world-class one, will cost about 25 billion rubles ($389.38 mln) to set up and will create about 20,000 new jobs, Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Friday.

    Russia marks Cosmonautics Day on April 12, so the president visited the Energomash rocket plant to oversee promising projects in rocket engineering and to talk to employees.

    "The project will cost about 25 billion rubles. We expect that by 2022 the outline [of the center] will have appeared," Putin said.

    "We want and I hope that it will look cutting-edge, magnificent and worthy of the industry. Moreover, our scientific and educational prospects would be concentrated there," he stressed.

    According to Putin, the center should not only comprise everything directly related to space but should also include an adjacent cluster of correlated fields that the space industry urgently needs, for example materials science.

    "I imagine that it can and must turn into a world-class center. It will be definitely fascinating for prospective young specialists like you. I think we will be able to create up to 20,000 new high-class jobs there," Putin said.


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    Sounds like all your eggs in one basket BS. Super-centralization is a defunct Soviet delusion and not some magic recipe for success. If
    Putin wants Roscosmos and Russian space industry to succeed he needs to make sure that the right management is in place. Management
    is 9 times out of 10 the source of all problems in a company (private or not). Whether they are corrupt or have no vision, they can turn
    any project into a disaster and burn out their employees.
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    Post  verkhoturye51 on Sat Apr 13, 2019 8:41 pm

    Rogozin now adds that Russia will continue to export rocket engines in spite of the sanctions.

    https://www.fort-russ.com/2019/04/nato-states-need-russian-space-rocket-engines-but-u-s-wants-to-weaponize-the-moon/
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    Post  MiamiMachineShop on Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:47 pm

    [quote="kvs"]
    George1 wrote:

    Putin says price tag for brand-new National Space Center to cost about $390 mln



    Sounds like all your eggs in one basket BS.   Super-centralization is a defunct Soviet delusion and not some magic recipe for success.    If
    Putin wants Roscosmos and Russian space industry to succeed he needs to make sure that the right management is in place.   Management
    is 9 times out of 10 the source of all problems in a company (private or not).   Whether they are corrupt or have no vision, they can turn
    any project into a disaster and burn out their employees.  


    In essence what you are saying is that tactics > strategy, in the form of management > Structure. I do not believe having a good manager is the end all of problems. Surely an effective manager can apply decisive, responsive, successful strategies that can help a company, or a country in many ways. But look at the US, the past success of the US is not based on its leadership, its based on an inertia from a previously highly successful structure, orientation, policy call it whatever you like. USA is practically surviving on the inertia, absent any real leaders. This is the gravity of such inertia, it can keep entities surviving and even thriving. Putin is in the process of laying down the new guidelines, procedures, laws, and norms for the state and affiliated companies to operate after years of absence of such policy. The constitution of Russian Federation, and the very policies of the company structures on it, were oriented in an Anti-Russian format, wherein even the presence of an effective manager would mean that after 20 or so years, after his retirement, simply all the decisions and procedures enacted could be reversed. Even with the presence of Putin and other effective managers, the nation and companies were still hemorrhaging profits, information, and resources to enemies.  

    This is the situation with Russia and Putin currently, he is running the country manually, using every lever possible, only an effective manager knows all of the levers and risks that are associated with pulling them to achieve a desired outcome. Putin could have simply played as if the timeline only factored his limited time as leader, like policies of khrushchev to Brezhnev, operating via manual levers to achieve desired outcomes. However Putin is doing things he is seeing far beyond current event horizons. Beyond being an effective manager, Putin is being an effective and skilled farmer, an engineer, of the Russian state, like Stalin, in different circumstances of course, he is setting down such processes in Russia that will become irreversible, as of right now the current amount of rockets or ships produced in inconsequential, the victory lies in transforming the industry to such a level that it will be impossible to return, and there will only be one way to go. Putin is cultivating a new system, it is the work of a visionary.

    This transcends the government and goes into corporate governance as well. The goals of the Russian companies cannot simply oriented towards the short sighted goal of simply beating the Americans in localized areas. This is what the Chinese do, but without strategy they remain coupled to America unable to exploit sovereignty from the dollar. The goals must be expansive and overarching in conjunction with a disciplined geopolitical policy that will not depend on Putin or Rogozin or the anyone above all. It requires a conscious shift in the Russian people themselves oriented towards their own state and their own companies, with goals set out by THEM. Building the clusters of technology will transform the consciousness of the people because they see that Russia is doing the same old thing it always has, innovate, albeit in a new incarnation. This creates a motivation in the people.

    The system should not depend on one person, or one manager, it should depend on the growth of Russian potential(people), and the inertia should be so powerful that it will push all pieces(people) in a direction, regardless of his management skills. Only then can the fruit of good management become ripe, until then, such efforts can be wasted and reversed. This is what is happening currently, with American political system, the policies are being reversed almost overnight of the previous administration, strategy and management mean nothing in this case, because the structure itself has allowed for degradation to enter. This leads to political short sight and as a consequence, chasing temporary results, America is damaging the overall strategic vector of its own empire.

    If Russia simply bought ships from China or imported western equipment, it would lead to the same result. Russia grew from 2000-2008 but the cost was that eventually the growth was reigned in, to be exchanged only for Russian total obedience. Decoupling Russia from such correlations is the first priority, ensuring compliance is the job of Rogozin, he is just there to make sure the rules are being observed and become engrained into Roscosmos. As we have seen things are to be ironed out, but they are being ironed out. Accelerating this or that design will mean nothing if in 20 years there will be no Roscosmos. Which is more than can be said of NASA, who is no longer around. The space dreams of America lie with Musk and his flamethrowers. But for Russia, this is not a trivial matter. Ensuring discipline and stability is a time consuming affair, and it is not the time to spend money, it is the time to take charge of organizational matters, of simplifying procedure, or reducing bureaucratic limitations, of changing regulations. That is what Rogozin is doing. He is organizing the offensive currently, building up the inertia for when the money is going to be spent, it will look like flawless art. It is the Russian style of nearly everything, from musical composition, to warfare, to the football game against Spain in last world cup. The breakout is slow, but when it happens, it goes deep into the enemies rear. russia
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    Post  dino00 on Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:58 pm

    Borisov said that the US space program depends on Russian RD-180 engines.

    Because of this, the American side will not impose sanctions against them, I am sure the Deputy Prime Minister


    SOUTH SAHALINSK, April 14. / Tass /. US representatives will not impose economic sanctions on Russian RD-180 rocket engines, since the American rocket and space industry depends on Russian equipment. This was announced on Sunday by Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov on the program "Moscow. Kremlin. Putin" on the TV channel " Russia-1 ".

    “Why introduce sanctions against the engines if their space program depends on it? They are not crazy in this regard,” he said, answering the question of why the expansion of the range of anti-Russian sanctions does not apply to rocket engines.

    Earlier, the head of the US Air Force Space Command, General John Raymond, stated at the hearings in the Armed Services Committee of the House of Representatives that the Air Force would completely abandon the RD-180 Russian rocket engines by 2022.


    The agreement between Moscow and Washington, which provided for the delivery of 101 RD-180 engines to the USA and was estimated at about $ 1 billion, was concluded in 1997. In 2014, Congress, due to aggravation of relations with the Russian Federation, imposed a ban on the use of the RD-180, but in 2015 canceled it when it became clear that its engines would not be created in the United States in the coming years. Later, lawmakers approved an amendment to the draft defense budget, providing for the acquisition of another 18 such engines in the period up to 2022.

    The current contracts for the supply of RD-180 engines to the Russian NPO Energomash are for the period until the end of 2020 - in 2020, six such engines should be transferred to the American side. The option to supply the RD-180 to the United States in 2021 can also be exercised.

    https://tass.ru/kosmos/6333009
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:51 pm

    dino00 wrote:Borisov said that the US space program depends on Russian RD-180 engines....


    lol1lol1lol1

    This is pure comedy gold right here.

    Borisov has either been hanging out with Trampoline Man too much or has been really hitting the cristal meth hard (in light of this statement probably both)

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    Post  Gazputin on Mon Apr 15, 2019 8:03 am

    the Russians need to sort out their industries … all of them

    they have multiple "vertically integrated" companies … design.... development... production all on the 1 site
    so they need to drastically restructure - as they have massive duplication

    they need to trash that and create centres of excellence
    eg
    you don't need your design people in the production factory …. its a load of twaddle

    everyone seems to slag "Trampoline" man …. but he is dead right

    I'd do exactly what he is doing
    centralise design
    decentralise production
    standardise designs - go modular wherever possible

    and the other thing Putin is on about is …. interesting work for your people
    not just mindless component manufacture for the "west"

    they have it dead right ….

    everything is just mindless twaddle ….
    I was in manufacturing and design for 20-25 yrs ….

    most of these geographically based vertically integrated operations
    were created via dodgy local govt "grants"
    to "create local employment"

    and its exactly the same in every country I've ever visited ….
    it isn't just Russia … its regional govts out of their depth … and IQ

    to survive in a global market you need global scale ….
    you need a design centre of global scale ….
    you need fewer factories with global scale …. re rocket production
    and they don't need to be near your design centre

    give the regional govts - manufacturing … labour intensive anyway
    and say "tough titties" re design centre …. makes total sense to me

    and what the Russians really need is to step up their satellite manufacturing … big time
    that's where the money is ….

    and outsource your techno-geeks to Gazprom etc …. for consultancy work ….

    the "trampoline man" is dead right ….
    I'd sign off on his plan any day ….

    I've been quiet lately … my house was hit by lightning …. CIA obviously tracked me down
    they got Assange …. I could be next Smile








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    Post  dino00 on Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:22 am

    Gazputin wrote:the Russians need to sort out their industries … all of them

    they have multiple "vertically integrated" companies … design.... development... production all on the 1 site
    so they need to drastically restructure - as they have massive duplication

    they need to trash that and create centres of excellence
    eg
    you don't need your design people in the production factory …. its a load of twaddle

    everyone seems to slag "Trampoline" man …. but he is dead right

    I'd do exactly what he is doing
    centralise design
    decentralise production
    standardise designs - go modular wherever possible

    and the other thing Putin is on about is  …. interesting work for your people
    not just mindless component manufacture for the "west"

    they have it dead right ….

    everything is just mindless twaddle ….
    I was in manufacturing and design for 20-25 yrs ….

    most of these geographically based vertically integrated operations
    were created via dodgy local govt "grants"
    to "create local employment"

    and its exactly the same in every country I've ever visited ….
    it isn't just Russia … its regional govts out of their depth … and IQ

    to survive in a global market you need global scale ….
    you need a design centre of global scale ….
    you need fewer factories with global scale …. re rocket production
    and they don't need to be near your design centre

    give the regional govts - manufacturing … labour intensive anyway
    and say "tough titties" re design centre …. makes total sense to me

    and what the Russians really need is to step up their satellite manufacturing … big time
    that's where the money is ….

    and outsource your techno-geeks to Gazprom etc …. for consultancy work ….

    the "trampoline man" is dead right ….
    I'd sign off on his plan any day ….

    I've been quiet lately … my house was hit by lightning …. CIA obviously tracked me down
    they got Assange …. I could be next Smile






    It's good to hear from a Russian that was in the industry, your posts are interesting keep posting keep safe. thumbsup
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:16 pm

    You make a lot of sense Gazputin... just remember lots of paper clips and some duct tape will not only hold the tinfoil on even if it is windy, you can also make an AK-47 out of them if you fold it correctly... remember gun safety... don't take the safety off till you are ready to fire...

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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Apr 15, 2019 8:34 pm


    Russia falling behind in space race

    http://tass.com/pressreview/1053648

    In a Cosmonautics Day meeting with the staff of Russia’s major rocket engine manufacture, Energomash, Russian President Vladimir Putin once again called for taking new steps in the development of the space industry. However, objective data indicate that, in terms of their functions, the orbital grouping of the Russian Armed Forces is in many respects inferior to similar structures not only in the United States and NATO countries, but also in the developing countries of Southeast Asia, Nezavisimaya Gazeta wrote.

    According to Chairman of the Scientific and Technical Council Russian Technologies Yuri Koptev, if legislation does not stipulate an increase in the quantity and quality of domestic spacecraft, Russia will face an tough situation in the coming years when most satellites will be produced by the West. According to the newspaper, this is already happening. According to the Union of Concerned Scientists, as of November 30, 2018, China had 284 spacecraft in space orbits, while the US had 849. According to Nezavisimaya Gazeta, it can be assumed that the number of Russian satellites in outer space in the interests of defense does not exceed 70-80 units.

    The goal of restoring space aeronautics in Russia was already set before in the Rocket and Space Industry Development Strategy adopted two years ago. However, as reported recently by the media, citing expert sources, problems with import substitution can slow down the modernization of GLONASS satellites, which are now mainly working in the interests of the Ministry of Defense. The Russian satellites of this system would receive a fully domestic electronic component base only by 2030. "Talking about any breakthrough technologies at such a pace of development of satellite constellations is meaningless," the newspaper wrote.

    "In more than 20 years, the development of a spacecraft system designed to detect space rocket launches has been stalled in the Russian Armed Forces, only a few satellites capable of conducting visual and electronic intelligence have been launched into orbit. Meanwhile, more than a hundred units have been operating in NATO countries and the US," military expert, Lieutenant-General Yuri Netkachev told the newspaper. In this state, the military threats associated with "Star Wars" are mounting for Russia, the expert noted.

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    Post  Kimppis on Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:29 pm

    OK, so first of all I'm not an expert on this topic. I do, however, read this thread regularly (EDIT: I actually thought this was the Space Program thread... well, whatever) and I will say that, in my opinion, PapaDragon & Co's views are closer to reality than the "everything's fine" crowd's, most of the time anyway.

    That said...

    Don't shoot the messenger etc etc., but:

    Nezavisimaya Gazeta

    I repeat:

    NEZAVISIMAYA GAZETA

    Russia will face an tough situation in the coming years when most satellites will be produced by the West. According to the newspaper, this is already happening.

    WTF is this? Is this a mistranslation or something?

    as of November 30, 2018, China had 284 spacecraft in space orbits, while the US had 849. According to Nezavisimaya Gazeta, it can be assumed that the number of Russian satellites in outer space in the interests of defense does not exceed 70-80 units.

    Are they trying to be intentionally misleading? Probably. So I did some quick googling... According to most sources, it seems Russia has actually around 150 satellites in total AND even the US has only around 120-140 military satellites. So it's 70-80 vs 120-140.

    I might be wrong, but Russia doesn't need as many military satellites anyway (or commercial ones for that matter!)? It doesn't have the same global "commitments" or power projection needs.  

    One example: https://csewi.org/number-of-military-communication-satellites-by-country/

    The Russian satellites of this system would receive a fully domestic electronic component base only by 2030

    Right, and I'm sure these same people predicted back in the mid-2000s (!) that Russian population would collapse by 2020. Or back in 2008 that Russia's military modernization would end up being a total failure. Or that the AIDS apocalypse is just around the corner... every single year. I don't have to go on...  

    Also, are they talking about 100% domestic components, literally? How does that even compare to other countries? Sounds like an extreme requirement, a strawman.  

    military expert

    Nezavisimaya Gazeta's military experts...

    only a few satellites capable of conducting visual and electronic intelligence have been launched into orbit. Meanwhile, more than a hundred units have been operating in NATO countries and the US

    The numbers might be total bullshit anyway (again: 120 vs. 70, that's closer to reality overall), but he's comparing new launches with the total number of satellites operational. I'm sure that's not intentionally misleading AT ALL.

    As I said, your views on these matters seem generally accurate PapaDragon, but that article is a little... "overly dramatic". Maybe that's why you posted it. The Trampoline Man needs a wake-up call, or something.

    But anyway... When it comes to satellites, the situation is probably quite similar to some military programs.

    OMG, only 1 Yasen has entered service since since 1991 trolololololol. Reality: a new Yasen should be commissioned more or less annually from 2019-20 onwards.

    OMG, delays with Il-76MD-90A, the world is ending! Reality: it seems production is finally picking up properly, just in time.

    Haven't you guys heard? Putler has ran out money! Su-57 and Armata have been cancelled!

    This is most likely same shit, more or less. The situation is certainly not optimal, but it will probably look better in 2025-30. They are only getting started...
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    Post  Vann7 on Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:45 am

    Here is the video with the deputy prime minister recently with Putin , discusion about
    Russia space program.



    Putin's seems a little bit more flexible to invest a bit more in space , that is good steps
    in the right direction but with an incredibly slow pace..  He promised to help Russia
    space program with another 5.6$ billion investment.. Why not 50$ billions ?? every 4 years?
    he wasted more than that in sochi alone..  


    People need to remember Putin have 20 years in Power already.. first as prime minister ,when the drunk man resign and second as president of Russia for 8 years , then moved to prime minister 4 and now another 8 years as President again...

    Absolutely 100% or 1 million % of Russian problems , the root of the corpse of the problems of Russia.. are direct consequences of the Absolute major incompetence of Putin's leadership in the international Arena , and his passive policies of INACTION ,when Americans was consolidating its world Domination through their Leadership in Popular Business that are popular and lead humanity
    into the future..  When Americans where influencing the entire world ,including Russia , making everyone fall in love with their their Technology ,their ,their Internet ,Their Computers ,their iphones , their superman ,batman and star wars movies Culture ,their music and movies
    and now gaming industry.   So Americans were developing their country to Create a WORLD EMPIRE.
    and Putin was developing Russia only to become a Saudi Arabia of Asia with a good army and some presence in space.. This is wrong in so many levels.. because Russia almost did not counter through
    those 20 years the American System ,the American influential modern business and culture with an
    alternative one..  SOmeone on internet once told me , Russia culture ends on its borders.. American culture covers the entire world.. and this was so fucking right.. Since nobody give a shit of Russian culture , matrioska dolls and the promotion of soviet past , Russia culture is as good as a museum.. something you visit one day and never again return..  and this is Putin's major failure.. in not developing Russia as an alternative to the American World..

    Instead of developing Russia economy ,as if was a third world nation , like those in latin America
    and Africa ,that their economy depends on Mining ,energy and food.. Putin's instead should have
    developed Russia economy to precisely counter US high tech business...  and emulate the moderate success at least ,they achieved in space ,selling rocket engines.. emulate that in other areas too..
    So to counter Apple sales, Microsft ,Intel ,US IT industry , US entertainment industry..

    Instead of oil and gas economies. why not develop Free Energy cities ,a safe electric car industry ? to Break  US/Saudi Arabia energy/petrodollars industry? that will end terrorism ,and the artificially inflation of the dollar value.. if Russia had developed intelligent cities that their energy is Not dependent of OIL but also GAS..  That is create free energy intelligent IT cities ? and make their Energy and communications wireless ,as tesla once imagine .. Why not push for Olympic SPACE medals instead of stupid Sports medals ,that totally useless for Russia as a nation ,to counter US
    influence.. nobody will remember the names of those that one  gold medal in SOchi.. but everyone
    remembers who is Gagarin.. the first Man in space..  Instead of Museums tourism , Russia should promote SPACE TOURISM with hundred of passengers in a big jumbo space place..  To think in BIG
    with the intention to LEAD.. in the most exciting things for world development.. This is how should Russia be developed...


    as the LEADER of the world , leader in what? in WORLD development into the future..not just one of them.. but the LEADER of it.. Because anything less , means allowing Americans to challenge Russia lead..  There is so many things Russia could have done .. to innovate but with Putin in power none of that will be possible on a major scale..  Only when Russia shows the world ,Europe and Asian developed nations ,that is superior to US , only then you will see a major disband of NATO and
    every other move towards an alliance with Russia.. This is why Space exploration and Absolute leadership is also so important. Is not only for tourism.. but for Influencing the world towards Russia
    orbit.. because nothing is more exciting for humanity than space exploration.. Also Russia other major priority should be Full Militarization of Space ,that Americans don't deny they are doing..
    Let US navy have 20 aircraft carriers , Russia should build instead SPACE CARRIERS Bombers,with hypersonic missiles that can quickly hit any US navy battlegroup from space ,flying above their formations and with the ability to hit them in just 2-3 minutes with a hypersonic nuclear armed missile.  

    The only thing that can save Russia from defeat from US,will be LEADING ,LEADING and LEADING..
    and not in potatoes or meaningless sports bullshit ,but in SPACE and leading in High tech business
    and in a modern culture.. done right.. inspired by their entertainment industry.  Is leadership and influence what holds back Russia.. China is doing ironically the things Russia should suppose to be doing.. thats the big irony..  Neutral  China visited Europe recently and was treated like the Royalty..
    thanks to Huawei and other chinesse business.  The American empire will die ,the next day ,that Russia deploy a flag in mars with humans in a manned mission ,and do it way before than Americans.. and this will not be a bad thing.. for American citizens ,because it means that no longer
    they will be able to demonize Russia ,and will not be able to continue the cold war , if the entire world celebrates such massive achievement and seeks closer relations with Russia in every area ,ignoring US leadership and demands.. So this is what will promote a world of coperation and peace ,when US loose its leadership to Russia and everyone understand they no longer need to follow US selfish empire , if Russia is better.  and so only then is when US will seek closer cooperation with Russia..
    because they will benefit from it...    

    Look at what China is attempting to do ,create an artificial sun in space.. Laughing  
    This are the things that Russia needs to do , think BIG and not be like Putin , hoping to be treated fairly by following the system of the west.  No instead of creating their own ... Respect Russia will only earn with LEADERSHIP and not with begging and weakness as Putin all the time shows..  Rogozin for president of Russia will be far better than  Putin ,he at least have more ambitions in space.  Putin development of Russia , is the biggest threat to Russia national security.. because
    he allows his enemies to become stronger...by not countering them.. hoping time and its nuclear weapons ,and shiny olympics will make the west want to be Russia friend again. how bad is Russia influence and leadership in the world ,that can't even influence most of his own neighbors , right at their borders.. This is why is so easy for US ,to influence former soviet republics away from Russia.
    because they have leadership and Putin's Russia not.... Had Putin developed Russia as a real Independent Country , to not depend on any business of US at all.for having something equal or better , then Russia will have never lost the control of Ukraine... and they will be doing revolutions not to join American NATO ,but instead to re-join Russia.. This is because people likes to follow LEADERS and followers .. no nations with major development ambitions will follow a country like Russia ,that depends so much on US.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:12 pm

    https://topwar.ru/156871-platformu-morskogo-starta-perebazirujut-iz-ssha-na-dalnij-vostok.html

    Looks like S7 is planning to move Sea Launch platform to far east Russia from US coast.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:38 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:https://topwar.ru/156871-platformu-morskogo-starta-perebazirujut-iz-ssha-na-dalnij-vostok.html

    Looks like S7 is planning to move Sea Launch platform to far east Russia from US coast.

    This thing will look super cool in Vladivostok port

    Now let's just get rocket up and running, Mark Serov and his crew are now designing manned spacecraft for S7, loads of potential there

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