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    Russian Economy General News: #6

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    Post  sepheronx Thu May 19, 2016 8:15 am

    One time win? What are they talking about? Industries that rely on exports (which are very small mind you) are seeing drastic exports because of the fact that the rubles value is low and makes it far more competitive. That isn't one time, that is lifetime so long as currency stays low. That is the reason why China always pegged their currency lower than the USD so that they can sell products cheaper (always) than the competitor. Industries that thrived from it are metallurgy and mining.

    But what they also forgot was that the devaluation and sanctions helped foreign enterprises to make the decision to move production to Russia. Now far more is being made now in Russia than years before (Car engines with more localization, more parts for automobiles, furniture, lumber, oil byproducts, food and food byproducts, etc.

    As for investments, well, Russia will always have to invest, but what they are talking about is reforms and investments that was always there and always happening. Reforms been happening for years. The only reason they would continue to harp about it is because they don't actually either know what they are talking about (doubt it) or they are trying to still sound grim about things even if reality shows something else.
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    Post  sepheronx Thu May 19, 2016 11:54 am

    Gazprom subsidiary has received the right to supply acrylates to Europe
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    Post  GarryB Thu May 19, 2016 4:59 pm

    In translation... we can't deny things are going forward in Russia now despite our sanctions, but boy with our money invested in Russia the economy would really be booming and we would be making a lot more money... the only better option would be if you let us buy up anything of value and screw even more money out of your economy...

    Why don't you listen to us?

    We only have your interests at heart...
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    Post  sepheronx Thu May 19, 2016 7:46 pm

    GarryB wrote:In translation... we can't deny things are going forward in Russia now despite our sanctions, but boy with our money invested in Russia the economy would really be booming and we would be making a lot more money... the only better option would be if you let us buy up anything of value and screw even more money out of your economy...

    Why don't you listen to us?

    We only have your interests at heart...

    This x1 gorillion.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Thu May 19, 2016 8:22 pm

    GarryB wrote:In translation... we can't deny things are going forward in Russia now despite our sanctions, but boy with our money invested in Russia the economy would really be booming and we would be making a lot more money... the only better option would be if you let us buy up anything of value and screw even more money out of your economy...

    Why don't you listen to us?

    We only have your interests at heart...

    so you quoted Kudrin &HSE now Smile





    Russia’s NOVATEK, Thai PTT Energy Companies Sign Understanding Memorandum


    http://sputniknews.com/business/20160518/1039842036/russia-thailand-novatek-energy.html

    “There are strong fundamentals for this joint cooperation. NOVATEK has high quality resources for the implementation of new LNG projects, while PTT is expanding LNG supplies to Thailand and is interested in the sustainability of such supplies to their domestic markets. I’m certain we will be able to establish an optimal framework for efficient joint business development of our companies,” Chairman of Novatek’s Management Board Leonid Mikhelson said, as quoted in the statement.


    why Vietnam if Russia could win market of Latvan empire after payment those 180bln eur compensation Smile

    Foreign Minister: success of the FTA of Vietnam and the Eurasian economic Union will be a catalyst for other countries


    http://ria.ru/economy/20160519/1436543509.html

    "Each of the countries of the Eurasian economic Union need to agree on mutually beneficial terms of participation in this project (the extension of the FTA – ed.). But in any case, I think the successful implementation of the Vietnam project, as a pilot, will definitely speed up this work and with other countries ", — said the Morgulov told reporters.
    Previously, he noted that the interest in establishing an FTA with the EEU are Thailand, Cambodia, Singapore, Indonesia.

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    Post  kvs Fri May 20, 2016 3:59 am

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-19/china-furious-after-us-launches-trade-war-nuke-522-duty

    The above is what the US really thinks of free trade.   It is free trade only when the US gains an advantage.   The
    idiots in Russia and elsewhere who worship Uncle Scam need to be stopped at all costs in their monkey see, monkey
    do imitation of American policies.   These idiots actually sacrifice in the name of free trade and act against the
    interests of their own country.
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    Post  GarryB Fri May 20, 2016 4:57 pm

    When trying to convince the US to back these so called free trade agreements Obama basically said this is their chance to write the new trade rules and have control.

    Of course the US wont benefit that much either... except the one percent that own the multinational companies that are actually writing the rules to allow them to ignore foreign rules on the environment, workers rights, and other such nonsense.

    How else will they get GM foods and steroid pumped chicken into foreign markets?

    they are going to do to international trade what Kraft did to cheese... Embarassed
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Fri May 20, 2016 5:30 pm

    GarryB wrote:When trying to convince the US to back these so called free trade agreements Obama basically said this is their chance to write the new trade rules and have control.

    Of course the US wont benefit that much either... except the one percent that own the multinational companies that are actually writing the rules to allow them to ignore foreign rules on the environment, workers rights, and other such nonsense.

    How else will they get GM foods and steroid pumped chicken into foreign markets?

    "Bush legs" as they call. Level of disgrace for Vth column.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_legs



    GarryB wrote: they are going to do to international trade what Kraft did to cheese...  Embarassed
    pls dont. my youngest liked this yummy cheese ee heavy synthesis product. I won this fight but was no easy Smile




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    Post  Vann7 Sat May 21, 2016 3:01 am



    I dont understand this free trade with vietnam.. with Russia.

    Does this means ,that Vietnam is ditching the transpacific so called free trade
    with United States?


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    Post  Project Canada Sat May 21, 2016 3:35 am


    The average salary in Russia is now lower than in China and Poland

    Good news for manufacturing and exports russia , but more points for West's anti Russian propaganda Neutral



    Clothing brands may take advantage of weak ruble to move to Russia


    I wish this gets done sooner so I can start ordering clothes made in Russia
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    Post  sepheronx Sat May 21, 2016 3:53 am

    Well, what matters is how much the Ruble will bring into Russia for Russians rather than abroad. It will also mean that it will be cheaper for foreigners to travel to Russia to spend money on (which there is already an increase). It will definitely be used as propaganda but what I question is the validation of the claim. The issue that it doesn't really reflect reality. This is in regards to "average". The problem with mentioning average is that some areas people make stupid amounts and others do not. Moscow vs Vladivostok where the average Russian in Vladivostok has ~$200 less in disposable income a month than ones in Moscow who has more per month.

    What this will mean though is that even Chinese companies are going to see Russia as a cheaper country to invest in and thus will move production to Russia (we are already seeing this with growth in Asian investments like Chinese Great wall automotive plant). What I am more concerned about is what will happen when speculators will go the other method against the Ruble and Ruble value increases? Russia only became cheaper than Poland or China for foreign businesses is entirely due to exchange rates. If lets say exchange rates goes to something like 45 rub/usd then that would make Russias average wage jump considerably.

    Areas like far east, central and southern Russia are the areas where it will be best in future to invest because these are the significantly cheaper regions. If I was a major investor, I would be looking at Vladivostok right now as it is significantly cheaper than western Russia and has lots of opportunities due to being a port city.
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    Post  kvs Sat May 21, 2016 4:01 am

    Project Canada wrote:
    The average salary in Russia is now lower than in China and Poland

    Good news for manufacturing and exports  russia , but more points for West's anti Russian propaganda Neutral



    Clothing brands may take advantage of weak ruble to move to Russia


    I wish this gets done sooner so I can start ordering clothes made in Russia

    Forex =/= real income.   This myth is just too much to take.   In 2015 the inflation rate in Russia was 15.5% but the forex change was
    over 100% on several occasions and has settled down to about 75% compared to early 2014.   So real Russian incomes fell by under
    16% in 2015 and not by 100% (actually the fall was even less since incomes increased by over 3% in Russia in 2015).   The assertion
    that the average Russian salary in Russia is lower than in China is utter nonsense. The average Chinese does not have the standard
    of living of the average Russian and a PPP adjusted salary comparison is mandatory to discern the facts.
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    Post  GarryB Sat May 21, 2016 2:43 pm

    I dont understand this free trade with vietnam.. with Russia.

    Does this means ,that Vietnam is ditching the transpacific so called free trade
    with United States?

    TPP is a free trade agreement but it is not exclusive.

    In other words say New Zealand could sign up to the TPP agreement, but that does not mean we cannot have a separate free trade agreement with Russia.

    The pathetic thing is that NZ is a member of the WTO and if that actually meant anything free trade agreements between individual countries would not be necessary.

    But of course WTO is more like WTF.

    Good news for manufacturing and exports russia , but more points for West's anti Russian propaganda Neutral

    You salary not going up as much as in China means nothing... what is the cost of living in Russia and in China?

    If I went from 500 dollars a week to 520 dollars a month in Russia, but in Poland and China they went from 500 dollars to 550 dollars a week then it might sound like the Polish and Chinese worker is better off, but if their train to work costs 60 dollars a week and the Russian train cost 10 dollars a week, and the food bills are 150 dollars a week for the Russian and 300 a week in china and poland then things are not as clear as they might seem.

    With the value of the ruble I would say imports would be very expensive in Russia... but then buying domestic products is rather better for any economy... so longer term it will likely bring international companies to set up production in your country to supply the local market and for export... they make most of the money but you get work.
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    Post  ExBeobachter1987 Sat May 21, 2016 3:02 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Russia only became cheaper than Poland or China for foreign businesses is entirely due to exchange rates.  If lets say exchange rates goes to something like 45 rub/usd then that would make Russias average wage jump considerably

    Central bank would be forced to decrease interest rate (finally!) and buy forex/sell rubles.
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    Post  Viktor Sun May 22, 2016 8:43 pm

    Nice thumbsup

    Russian Economic Development Ministry to Propose Raising Retirement Age
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    Post  PapaDragon Sun May 22, 2016 9:20 pm

    Viktor wrote:Nice  thumbsup

    Russian Economic Development Ministry to Propose Raising Retirement Age

    Makes perfect sense, average life span is much longer today than back when those rules were set up.
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    Post  Werewolf Mon May 23, 2016 1:20 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Viktor wrote:Nice  thumbsup

    Russian Economic Development Ministry to Propose Raising Retirement Age

    Makes perfect sense, average life span is much longer today than back when those rules were set up.

    No it is not, they do it to have people die faster without depleting their pensions, so the state can keep it. That is what they have done here and will do it in near future again and raise pension age to 67+.
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    Post  AlfaT8 Mon May 23, 2016 4:32 am

    Guys, i need a hand here, tell me if all this is true or is this minister out of his damn mind.

    Oil Crash Shrinks Russian GDP; Energy Minister Blames Saudis

    Russia’s oil-dependent economy appears headed for a second year of recession, and Energy Minister Alexander Novak says the blame falls squarely on the Saudis.

    The Russian gross domestic product fell by 4 percent in November from its level in the same month in 2014, and had shrunk 3.7 percent in October from its levels a year earlier, the Economy Ministry reported Monday.

    The reason, to no one’s surprise, is the plunge in oil prices over the past 18 months. The global average value of a barrel of oil has crashed from over $110 per barrel in the summer of 2014 to just below $40 per barrel today.

    Because Russia’s government relies on oil production for half its revenues, it’s preparing for a 3 percent deficit in the budget for the coming 2016 fiscal year. Making matters worse, profits in any industry related to oil are down so far that it appears its current recession may last as long as two years.

    “The risk of a deeper decline has intensified,” Andrei Klepach, chief economist at Russian state development lender Vnesheconombank and a former deputy economy minister, wrote in a report. He added that both bad economic and political news for Russia will contribute to “a stable negative trend, forcing downgrades in forecasts for next year.”

    Related: Lifting The Oil Export Ban Could Be A Short-Sighted Action

    The bad political news includes the Western sanctions imposed on Russia since 2014 because of Moscow’s involvement in the conflict in neighboring Ukraine. This also is bad economic news for Russia, but trumping that is weak price of oil, and Moscow blames that entirely on Saudi Arabia.

    Oil prices began falling in June 2014 in large part because of increased production in North America and Russia, which created more supply than demand could consume. Yet five months into oil’s nosedive, at its ministerial meeting in Vienna, OPEC, led by Saudi Oil Minister Ali al-Naimi, decided not to cut production to shore up prices but to maintain its ceiling of 30 million barrels per day.

    Al-Naimi said his aim was to keep prices low in a price war with drillers in the United States, who were relying on relatively expensive hydraulic fracturing to extract oil, and in Russia, who can’t help shore up the price of oil by limiting production because the climate in most of its oil country is so cold that stopping production at some wells would freeze them up.

    At its latest meeting, on Dec. 4, OPEC effectively dispensed with its production ceiling altogether, putting more downward pressure on oil prices, and on Russia’s economy. And this has rankled Novak.

    Related: China's $1 Trillion Nuclear Plan

    “This year Saudi Arabia has ramped up production by 1.5 million barrels per day, which in fact destabilized the situation on the market,” the energy minister said Monday in an interview with the state-owned broadcaster Rossiya 24.

    Add to this, Novak said, is Iran’s return to the market, probably in early 2016, once the West lifts sanctions it imposed because of Tehran’s nuclear program. Throughout much of 2015 Iran has been urging OPEC, without success, to make room for its return to the market.

    Still, there is some hope that oil prices will stabilize sometime in 2016. In its annual World Oil Outlook, issued Dec. 23, OPEC said it expected “a gradual improvement in market conditions as growing demand and slower than previously expected non-OPEC supply growth eliminate the existing oversupply and lead to a more balanced market.”

    Related: OPEC: $95 Oil, But Not Until 2040

    Novak, possibly referring to the OPEC forecast, also expressed optimism, saying, “According to experts’ estimates, demand-and-supply curves may coincide in the second half of 2016, which will balance the market.”

    Arkady Dvorkovich, Russia’s deputy prime minister, agreed, saying low prices eventually could become the agent of their stabilization. “For some time, any company, any producing country is able to sustain such low prices,” he told Rossiya 24. “But then investment will inevitably go down, which means that production will fall and prices will rise.”

    http://oilprice.com/Energy/Oil-Prices/Oil-Crash-Shrinks-Russian-GDP-Energy-Minister-Blames-Saudis.html
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    Post  sepheronx Mon May 23, 2016 4:45 am

    Looks like an article written last year or early this year.

    So far, indicators are showing stable oil at roughly $50/bbl and that is much more than mid and late 2015 which hovered around $35/bbl.  So technically, Russia's GDP decline may be roughly around 1% at oil roughly $40/bbl as was previously mentioned.

    Oil and gas only account for roughly 15% of Russias GDP, that is still 15% that is quite important like every other % in measurements.  But the biggest hit was consumer demand which dropped significantly over the years but starting to climb now with stable oil.  Novac is just pissed because he is not nearly gaining money, but with Russia being able to profit even with low oil prices (as mentioned before: http://translate.google.com/translate?&ie=UTF-8&sl=&tl=en&u=http://ria.ru/economy/20160322/1394898552.html) they are still making a killing in profits.

    But as anyone and everyone knows, when a major industry takes a hit, everyone panics, even the head.  Why? It sometimes helps with stocks and sometimes it doesn't.  With the nudges about blaming Sauds, it tries to drive a wedge into the OPEC group which may turn on Saudi Arabia.  There is a lot of workings in the back room that we are not aware of.  But the bottom line is, they are still profiting, and with oil hovering around the $50/bbl, they are far from hurting.  Actually, once Urals blend becomes a thing in the exchange market, then they will gain even more money out of it.

    Edit: Just occured to me but a while ago KVS and I were talking on the this thread about how Russia was going to reduce the amount the oil companies keep threshold (or whatever you call it) from being taxed and essentially it will allow Russia to gain even more money from taxation of the oil companies.  Since they are mostly state run (even after so called "privatization") they cant do much about it.

    Edit 2: Strange, I was certain that average oil price in 2015 was roughly $35/BBL but I guess that wasn't till this year at the beginning. So anyway, yeah, still low and a problem but something that Russia has to deal with. Best method of dealing with it is simply moving away from it and to do that, is to invest in other sectors of the economy and let the oil and gas industry slowly develop itself (how that will happen is that the companies will now look at investing in cheaper methods of extraction and also looking at the concept of processing it into end goods as that will guarantee more money out of it. So it doesn't rely 100% on selling as a raw material like so many do).
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    Post  kvs Mon May 23, 2016 7:21 am

    If you look at trade indicators for Indian and other large economies for 2015 they looked like 2008/9, i.e. we hit a global recession
    in 2014 and 2015. The Orwellian mass media does not report it as a global recession and instead claims everything is growing
    and the oil price drop is due to an oil supply glut. This claim is utter, obscene rubbish. All the new oil supply on the market that
    has offset production declines (inevitable) at old fields since 2008 has been non-conventional, i.e fracking and tar sands. This
    supply requires high oil prices and hence self-limiting. So there can be no glut. But the trade indicators and the recession they
    reveal fully explain the oil price drop.

    So, the 2015 GDP drop in Russia was 3.7%. The 2009 GDP drop in Russia was 7.9%. Please, someone, tell me why this recession
    is worse than the previous one? The amount of bitching is incredible. I explain this as the result of NATzO propaganda. They
    attribute all of the GDP drop in 2015 to sanctions. This is obvious nonsense. In fact, it looks like the import substitution
    GDP stimulus has offset most of the recessionary drop and the sanctions drop.

    This year is return to growth with a some near zero GDP change vs. 2015 and stable inflation rates. We would have seen GDP
    growth of 2% or higher if not for the 5th column CBR interest rate policy. When the CPI is 7% they keep the key lend rate at
    11%. No other freaking country on the planet does this to itself.
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    Post  AlfaT8 Mon May 23, 2016 7:55 am

    Ok, now i cant tell you how many times this one has come up.

    Because Russia’s government relies on oil production for half its revenues

    How substantial is this claim?
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    Post  zg18 Mon May 23, 2016 8:55 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:Ok, now i cant tell you how many times this one has come up.

    Because Russia’s government relies on oil production for half its revenues

    How substantial is this claim?

    Only if you look at the Federal budget, even that shrank since oil prices collapsed, as a whole (consolidated budget) before oil price collapse it was 25-30%, today probably 20% or so.

    Russia is NOT a petrodollar economy, you can easily deduce it by looking at 2015 current account balance.
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    Post  kvs Mon May 23, 2016 9:15 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:Ok, now i cant tell you how many times this one has come up.

    Because Russia’s government relies on oil production for half its revenues

    How substantial is this claim?

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    The "rent" is oil and gas and mineral taxes. In 2013 they totaled 27.4% and not 50% and that was when the oil prices were high.

    http://www.awarablogs.com/share-of-oil-and-gas-in-russias-tax-revenue-dropped-to-21/



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    Share of oil and gas in Russia’s tax revenue dropped to 21%, but the threatened devastation failed to materialize

    27.03.2016

    We were being hammered with the message that Russia is nothing more “than a gas station masquerading as a country”. Russia’s economy was supposed to “be in tatters” once the oil revenue drained, for supposedly Russia produced nothing else.

    Well, now their dream of low oil prices have come true, but somehow it failed to materialize in the annihilation of Russia’s economy. The industry is intact, showing a slight growth of 1% for the two months of this year and having reported only a negligible decline of 3.4% for all of 2015. Unemployment has persistently stayed at levels of 5.8%. The trade balance for the year was a whopping 46% of exports leaving $160 billion in Russia’s coffers. The imports are at historically low levels because Russia’s diversified economy now produces domestically most of what it consumes, as I reported earlier. The gold and currency reserves stand at 370 billion at the most recent bean count.

    Last week more cold water was poured on the Russia bashers as it was reported that the share of oil and gas in the country’s tax revenues had fallen to only 21% as per the situation at end of February. This is a far cry from the 50% that Western “experts” habitually claim that oil and gas account for. Once more, this shows that Russia has a sufficiently diversified economy and other sources of income when oil is down. Hereby Russia runs a quite acceptable, by Western standards, budget deficit, which is expected to be 3.8% of the GDP (consolidated budget), down from 4.6% in the previous year.
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    Post  AlfaT8 Mon May 23, 2016 10:34 pm

    Thanks guys, really helped. thumbsup
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    Post  Rmf Tue May 24, 2016 3:41 am

    ìts ukraine. russia would be in the plus by now.
    but there are at least 5 mill ukranians in russia who is giving them passports and jobs handouts like crazy , crimea with 5 mill more, and donbass 5 mill .
    its subsidising 15 mill people, thats 10% of russian population and that costs allot.
    big projects in crimea , military involment in donbass that costs too.
    but 15 mill is 30% of ukranian population, once putin finishes military reform he can take most of ukraine.

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