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    Post  sepheronx Mon Oct 06, 2014 8:27 pm

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-06/obama-threatens-more-sanctions-against-zimbabwe-over-russian-platinum-deal

    As much as I am not a fan of Mugabe, what Obama is trying to do sickens me. He is threatening Zimbabwe with more sanctions unless he cancels the $3B platinum mine Russia is investing in.

    Mugabe at least told him to hang.
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    Post  GarryB Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:22 am

    Free market economics... Obama style... stand and deliver...
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    Post  Mike E Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:36 am

    GarryB wrote:Free market economics... Obama style... stand and deliver...
    "Obama" and free market should never be used in a sentence together... - Fed would be even worse!
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    Post  higurashihougi Tue Oct 07, 2014 6:14 am

    Mike E wrote:
    GarryB wrote:Free market economics... Obama style... stand and deliver...
    "Obama" and free market should never be used in a sentence together... - Fed would be even worse!

    Off topic but what is happening in the U.S. is not free market, but oligopoly.

    An ideal free market must have nearly perfect competition with very weak market barrier... which do not exist in the U.S.

    If only the Tea Baggers and the Republicans realized this fact.
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    Post  Mike E Tue Oct 07, 2014 6:33 am

    higurashihougi wrote:
    Mike E wrote:
    GarryB wrote:Free market economics... Obama style... stand and deliver...
    "Obama" and free market should never be used in a sentence together... - Fed would be even worse!

    Off topic but what is happening in the U.S. is not free market, but oligopoly.

    An ideal free market must have nearly perfect competition with very weak market barrier... which do not exist in the U.S.

    If only the Tea Baggers and the Republicans realized this fact.
    That is what I meant... 

    Not even close, unfortunately!
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    Post  sepheronx Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:53 pm

    Russian PM urges stimulus for domestic business for import substitution

    I agree with medvedev on this. Make it easier to do business as well as easier access to resources needed for these companies to flourish is what is important right now.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Tue Oct 07, 2014 3:03 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Russian PM urges stimulus for domestic business for import substitution

    I agree with medvedev on this. Make it easier to do business as well as easier access to resources needed for these companies to flourish is what is important right now.

    I think their should be a healthy 10-25% tax credit to stimulate domestic substitution. We know from Rostec that domestic computer chip/semiconductor industry will grow 9 fold by 2020 because of this.
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    Post  sepheronx Tue Oct 07, 2014 3:17 pm

    Europe's Triple-Dip Recession Arrives: German Industrial Production Crashes Most Since February 2009

    Well, looks like the boomerang effect is really hurting EU. Seems while russian industrial production increased, EU's fell, especially Germany.

    Kerch Strait Bridge to be built despite Western pressure — Crimean leader
    Good, this bridge will help crimea badly and will reduce overall cost of travel and price of goods.

    Funny though, italy fm soon to be eu fm, claims that it needs to be stopped and the sanctions are working agaonst Russia.... wait FM, who is currently in a triple dip recession and who is having gdp growth (albeit low)? Yeah, it isnt EU.
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    Post  sepheronx Tue Oct 07, 2014 3:29 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Russian PM urges stimulus for domestic business for import substitution

    I agree with medvedev on this. Make it easier to do business as well as easier access to resources needed for these companies to flourish is what is important right now.

    I think their should be a healthy 10-25% tax credit to stimulate domestic substitution. We know from Rostec that domestic computer chip/semiconductor industry will grow 9 fold by 2020 because of this.

    Rostec was Russias best idea imo, much better than Rusnano, which shoild be stripped and handed over to either private sector for one part and other to Rostec.

    Rostec is helping funding major tech projects in Russia, amd linking them to businesses. They are responsible for the new companies who deal with automation and toolings in skolkovo and other regions. Pretty much, Rostec is a far better entity than most to all government intiatives.

    At this time, Russia needs to mass privatize their industries, and maybe keep some here and there jistin case. There is an economic model that focuses on internal development and privatization during times of sanctions and isolation. Thankfully, 66.6% of the rest of the world is willing to work with Russia, so this is Russias opportunity to build up other nations like US has done. Start with Vietnam and South Africa and Venezuela. More specificallu venezuela as they are having a tough time and Russia should help out economically their allies. Rich and strong ally means lots of $$$ for russian buisinesses.
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    Post  sepheronx Tue Oct 07, 2014 4:42 pm

    Russia Needs to Create Domestic Credit System to Survive Sanctions: Presidential Aide

    Pretty much translates to: why give lots of loans for foreign entities but not domestic? Give credit to domestic.

    This guy should be in charge of the CB. He seems to know what is going on.
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    Post  Mike E Wed Oct 08, 2014 2:24 am

    Just like I predicted, Russia is reeling the German economy down... 



    I wonder how bad this will get, any more downward trends and the sanctions might be remove...
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Wed Oct 08, 2014 3:11 am

    Argentina and Russia are studying options for cooperation in the gas industry
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    Post  higurashihougi Wed Oct 08, 2014 8:06 am

    It is clear that an interrupted economical trade is NOT beneficial for any countries in this XXI century. Especially when we know that EU and Russia have been selling and buying a lot of things from each others.

    I know that every country has its own will for independence but the problem is that EU gains no independence from cutting its ties with Russia. Stabbing your own blood vessels have nothing to do with independence.
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    Post  sepheronx Wed Oct 08, 2014 2:43 pm

    It would be good if Russia can actually invest in argentina/venezuela/cuba in other fields, not just oil and gas.

    For instance: toiletry, automotive, agricultural equipment, construction equipment/materials are major in latin america and many of these nations cannot even afford the cost anymore due to US policy on them (especialy cuba and venezuela). So why not open up a pharmacuitical plant, avtovaz plant (avtovaz is the only Russian major autoplant that has done well this year, due to good quality and cheap lada Kalina and Granta), and spare parts and maintenance plant for agricultural equipment? I bet doing these will bring in lots of money to both respective countries. As well, Pharmacuiticals is one thing Russia majorly purchased from the west, even if they are active in its development in Russia. Being closer to the rainforests may be beneficial to obtaining the ingrediants needed for the medicine.

    Heck, maybe build nuclear power plant in Venezuela and they can provide cheap energy to themselves and neighbors.

    Plenty of options. Russia seems to be interested only in one field, and that is dangerous.
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    Post  kvs Wed Oct 08, 2014 2:48 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:It is clear that an interrupted economical trade is NOT beneficial for any countries in this XXI century. Especially when we know that EU and Russia have been selling and buying a lot of things from each others.

    I know that every country has its own will for independence but the problem is that EU gains no independence from cutting its ties with Russia. Stabbing your own blood vessels have nothing to do with independence.


    This is prima facie evidence that the EU is not free. The very meaning of free would be free to act in your interests. Anyone with a brain
    knows that it was Washington that engineered the bloody coup in Ukraine and it is the Washington backed regime that is waging war on
    Donetsk and Lugansk (and certainly not vice versa). The whole idea of sanctions against Russia over Ukraine is ludicrous. If
    there was an actual invasion of Ukraine by Russia then it would perhaps justify them (not really, since it would be quite legitimate for
    Russia to stage regime change to get Ukraine of the current scum leadership and their goons).

    I hope that the Europeans wake up and shake of the Washington yoke, but I am afraid that they are too pacified with their self-affirming
    propaganda (i.e. they are the most free and most developed in the world, blah, blah, blah). The EU and the rest of the west is some sort
    of Aldous Huxley variant dystopia. It only has a think shell of fake freedom.
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    ...It seems like Southern Europeans/Balkans are predisposed to be more friendly towards Russia. If I have to make the wager on why that's the case, it probably has to do with all those historical textbooks pointing out how Russia sacrificed the most to prevent the Islamification of secular Europe, the Russian Empire did a wonderful job in flattening the Ottoman Empire, otherwise Europe would of been large steaming pile of Sharia Law, being hovered over by ISIS fly's! I think the way to weaken the Pro-Baltics faction in the EU, is to replace it with a a Pro-Balkan/Southern European faction, which should include Hungary, Italy, Bulgaria, Croatia, Slovenia, Greece, and Cyprus.
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    Post  Viktor Wed Oct 08, 2014 9:30 pm

    Finally thumbsup

    Federal Law "On industrial policy" has passed the first reading in the State Duma
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    Post  AlfaT8 Thu Oct 09, 2014 12:00 am

    Viktor wrote:Finally  thumbsup

    Federal Law "On industrial policy" has passed the first reading in the State Duma
    For a second there i though it read "federalization of CB passed the first reading in the State Duma" Wink
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    Post  sepheronx Thu Oct 09, 2014 2:33 am

    http://en.itar-tass.com/economy/753401

    So.... do nothing?

    This economic minister should be fired.

    Time and time again he proves he knows little.

    How would barring flights over Russia from EU and import tax of 2500% will hurt Russia as well? It would EU.

    This guy clearly is 5th coloumnist. Wanting to drop military cost and saying no to countersanctions? Doesnt sound like he wants to help Russia.
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    Post  sepheronx Thu Oct 09, 2014 3:19 pm

    The local paper here claims Russia is more dependant on oil and gas sales than Saudi Arabia...

    I really want to write to the editor telling them how badly wrong they are... but its a pointless battle till the figures come out this year what the gdp growth is.
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    Post  Viktor Thu Oct 09, 2014 7:01 pm

    Nice thumbsup

    The current account surplus of the Russian Federation for 9 months has doubled
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    Post  kvs Thu Oct 09, 2014 11:44 pm

    sepheronx wrote:The local paper here claims Russia is more dependant on oil and gas sales than Saudi Arabia...

    I really want to write to the editor telling them how badly wrong they are...  but its a pointless battle till the figures come out this year what the gdp growth is.

    This is the quality of most western mainstream media. They pull "facts" out of their a**es. This clown couldn't even be bothered
    to do a simple internet search. Nobody will give him a hard time for smearing Russia.

    But let them live in their little delusional bubble. Russia has real economic growth, Canada and the rest of NATO are bubble economies
    created through borrowing. There is no such thing as a free lunch and the chickens are already starting to come home to roost.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Fri Oct 10, 2014 2:29 am

    kvs wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:The local paper here claims Russia is more dependant on oil and gas sales than Saudi Arabia...

    I really want to write to the editor telling them how badly wrong they are...  but its a pointless battle till the figures come out this year what the gdp growth is.

    This is the quality of most western mainstream media.   They pull "facts" out of their a**es.   This clown couldn't even be bothered
    to do a simple internet search.   Nobody will give him a hard time for smearing Russia.

    But let them live in their little delusional bubble.   Russia has real economic growth, Canada and the rest of NATO are bubble economies
    created through borrowing.   There is no such thing as a free lunch and the chickens are already starting to come home to roost.

    I have a question to our Canadian residents, is Canada's tar sands the main revenue maker in your country? If so then the writer of the local paper looks quite foolish considering how Russia has a thriving space industry, arms industry, and oil/gas isn't the only major natural resource Russia has in in abundance. Russia has plenty of timber, diamonds, gold, coal, rare-Earth minerals, huge reservoirs of fresh water, and Russia is 'the' main player in the world when it comes to titanium, so much so that Rostec' published an Op-Ed article on their website explaining why the U.S./E.U. won't dare placing sanctions on Russia's titanium industry:

    Russia's titanium industry will not get sanctions
    Analyst Oleg Panteleev: American business will make every effort to prevent the introduction of sanctions against AVISMA

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    VSMPO-deeply integrated into the global aerospace industry and for many companies, a strategic supplier of titanium products. Selectivity imposed on the domestic industry as an example of sanctions AVISMA is visible as well as possible. About the partnership between Boeing and VSMPO-AVISMA, possible risks that may be incurred by Western and Russian participants of the market, says Oleg Panteleyev, head of analytical department of the agency "AviaPort".

    ON THE LIKELY RISKS

    With the unfavorable scenario of the main risks for Western companies can be divided into three components. The first - the time spent on trying to find alternative AVISMA suppliers, wait, that they increased their production, mastered a new range of products.

    Russian titanium is about 40% of the total consumption of products made from this material for Boeing, 60% - for Airbus, and for Embraer - 100%. In the United States, Canada, China and Europe have producers of titanium products, competing with the Russian giant, but they can not confidently confront him in the fight for customers in terms of value for money products, the extent of the release, as well as on a number of technological opportunities. For example, AVISMA has a unique, world's most powerful hydraulic press with a force of 75 thousand. Tons.

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    Accurately estimate the time required to complete replacement of supplies from Russia, it is difficult - it all depends on how you have previously built the relationship between aircraft manufacturers and their contractors. Fend off this threat can only be filled warehouse and only at the expense of the buyer.

    The second, related to this circumstance - the risk appreciation procurement. In today's world there is no other manufacturer that would supervise the chain from titanium sponge to the machining of forgings and stampings, including bulky items. This vertical integration allows for the most effective management of costs.

    Reorientation to new suppliers will change the logistics. For example, within the Ural Boeing Manufacturing - a joint venture by Boeing and VSMPO-AVISMA - for machining parts for wing groups, while on their own capacities Russian company is engaged in machining parts of the chassis. All activities are focused on an area of ​​the Upper Salda, thereby reducing transportation costs.

    Another risk for the Western partners is that the critical details necessary to use special equipment, such as a Russian unique hydraulic press. No other manufacturer of the world is immune from damage such a unit, and the output of equipment for planned maintenance at all inevitable. But AVISMA has an agreement with Alcoa on the use of existing Samara similar press. It is strategically important trump card, which makes the technological risks of cooperation with AVISMA minimal.

    PROSPECTS

    If we recall that before the collapse of the Soviet Union was VSMPO volume of more than 70 thousand. Tons of titanium products a year, it becomes obvious potential of the company to increase the volume of the issue. Although, unfortunately, today domestic engineering industry will not be able to consume the same amount of titanium as it was true in the 1980s: Russia today is not as implements large-scale projects, for example, does not produce titanium submarines. However, there is potential for growth in terms of the internal market, and in terms of export sales, and in terms of the development of the new nomenclature.

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    Note that the search for new markets - is an activity that should not in any way depend on the relationships with existing major partners, and the more it is not a response to the inadequacy of the foreign policy of the West. That's why AVISMA from year to year is a party to all major aerospace salons and exhibitions in the field of metallurgy and engineering.

    FORECASTS

    Today it is not necessary to draw a gloomy picture. Let's start with the fact that to date the sanctions against enterprises of the national military-industrial complex used primarily to companies not included in the supply chain of the western manufacturers of aerospace equipment. An example of cooperation in the export of Russian rocket engines in the United States is very significant. And whenever the West there was vested interest in a particular transaction, suddenly there are exceptions.

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    If you examine the more than 20-year history of the relationship AVISMA and Boeing, is grounds for a confident view of the future is more than enough. For example, in the summer, at the height of sanctions war, the parties signed another agreement shall be extended for three years (until 2022) the existing contractual obligations. The company also confirmed its readiness to continue working together to create a second line of machining plant in Titanium Valley.

    Between Boeing and VSMPO-AVISMA really developed partnerships far beyond relations "buyer - seller ". Boeing is spending billions of dollars in Russia not only as a payment of finished products, but also to invest in joint development of titanium alloys, equipment, first one, and now the second venture for machining. This large-scale investments, and, of course, the American company is interested to make it work and make a profit.

    So I'm sure that even if the current situation of foreign business in the USA will make every effort to ensure that the sanctions against the company AVISMA not introduced. Pragmatic Americans know how to count money and appreciate the beneficial partnership.

    AUTHOR: OLEG PANTELEEV

    Head of the Analytical Services Agency "AviaPort"

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    http://rostec.ru/news/4514733

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    Post  kvs Fri Oct 10, 2014 3:02 am

    Canada is a resource exporter. The tar sands (called oil sands in a cheap attempt to launder their image) are central to the
    government's plans out to 2030. Our dear leader Harper thinks Canada is an oil superpower. Of course, his is an idiot,
    the dangerous kind.

    http://www.onearth.org/articles/2014/10/oil-companies-are-finally-realizing-tar-sands-is-bad-for-the-bottom-line

    In 2010 Canada exported as follows:

    26% Machinery and Transport Equipment
    23% Mineral Fuels, Lubricants and Related (e.g. oil and oil products)
    12% Reprocessed Ores (e.g. steel)
    9% Chemical and Related Products
    9% Non Fuel Materials (e.g. metal scrap and wood pulp)
    8% Livestock and Farm Produce
    8% Unclassified Commodities and Non-Monetary Gold
    4% Miscellaneous Manufactured Goods (e.g. furniture)

    (from http://atlas.cid.harvard.edu/explore/tree_map/export/can/all/show/2012/ click on SITC4 product class button).

    Canada is alleged to have a 1.8 trillion dollar GDP as of 2013 and it exports less than Russia. The 26% that Canada
    exports in Machinery and Transport Equipment category includes cars to the US. This is a peculiar arrangement where
    the US does Canada a big favour and Canada has been called a branch plant economy for a long time.



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    Post  GarryB Fri Oct 10, 2014 10:46 am

    The local paper here claims Russia is more dependant on oil and gas sales than Saudi Arabia...

    The huge irony is that it is the wests dependence on oil and gas that creates the situation in the first place.

    Oil is cheap and easy so alternatives become expensive even if in the long term they are cleaner and renewable.

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