Russian Assault Rifles/Carbines/Machine Guns Thread: #2

GarryB wrote:They said they were going to showcase some previously unknown old prototypes from years gone by...

Ironically, the only weapon in that post that I could legally by with the new laws here is the 12.7mm SV-18 heavy anti material rifle, which would probably be lethal to humans and light vehicles out to about 1.5km... but it is OK because it is a bolt action and only has a 5 shot mag.  

Russia’s top brass mulls arming military pilots with PP-2000 submachine gun

George1 wrote:

Russia’s top brass mulls arming military pilots with PP-2000 submachine gun

A more compact PP-2000 submachine gun is meant to replace the Kalashnikov AKS-74U assault rifle



MOSCOW, August 16. /TASS/. Russia’s Defense Ministry is considering including a more compact PP-2000 submachine gun into the military pilots’ survival kit instead of the Kalashnikov AKS-74U assault rifle, a source in the domestic defense industry told TASS on Friday.

"A proposal has been put forward to study the possibility of arming military pilots with a very compact PP-2000 instead of the AKS-74U. The defense agency has responded with interest to this proposal," the source said.

A pilot’s survival deployment kit, which the ground personnel place into the ejection seat bucket before a combat sortie, includes the Kalashnikov AKS-74U assault rifle, the ammunition load and grenades in addition to food and water supplies, a first-aid set and communications gear. Also, when a pilot goes on a combat sortie, for example, in Syria, he takes a Makarov or a Stechkin pistol with him as additional arms and places it together with the magazines into the ammunition vest.

The PP-2000 has been developed by the Tula Design Bureau of Instrument-Making for the 9x19mm Parabellum cartridge. The submachine gun is among the world’s lightest firearms: it weighs 1.4kg without the magazine and the buttstock. As its specific feature, the PP-2000 offers the possibility to use a spare magazine as a shoulder support. The breechblock lever and the magazine’s latch button can be re-installed on any side, which makes it possible for both a right-hand and a left-hand serviceman to use the gun.

The serial-produced PP-2000 submachine guns have been equipped with a removable side-folding metallic butt since 2006. The PP-2000’s length is 582 mm with the unfolded butt and 350 mm without the butt. For the sake of comparison, the AKS-74U is 730 mm long with the unfolded butt and 490m long with the folded butt.

https://tass.com/defense/1073742

SR-2 Veresk is a better choice, because its effective range is 200m in a compact package

I have no idea if this was posted when there was discussion about the AN-94. But I think the analysis is BS.

When he sees delicate complexity I see nothing special at all. In particular, I fail to see any part or parts that
can fail. I am not talking about wearing down since all machine gun parts that experience friction wear down.
Somehow if this design was from a NATO gun maker I suspect that he would be singing its praises for being
sophisticated and radical innovation. With some token reservations about practicality. But since it is from
Russia it is treated as bizarre and like a joke.

So its complexity has no bearing unless it undermines
its function and reliability. Given how Russian gun makers test their guns, I would say the AN-94 can withstand
more abuse than anything put out by NATO.

kvs wrote:I have no idea if this was posted when there was discussion about the AN-94.   But I think the analysis is BS.



When he sees delicate complexity I see nothing special at all.  In particular, I fail to see any part or parts that
can fail.  I am not talking about wearing down since all machine gun parts that experience friction wear down.
Somehow if this design was from a NATO gun maker I suspect that he would be singing its praises for being
sophisticated and radical innovation.   With some token reservations about practicality.  But since it is from
Russia it is treated as bizarre and like a joke.  

BTW, Americans love field stripping as if in an actual war there will be time and tools (e.g. gun oil) to do this.
In the real world, soldiers throw away their malfunctioning guns and pick up usable ones from their dead comrades.
There was a reason for making the PPSh-41 simple as Hell, that was to enable enough units to be manufactured
with nearly non-existent manufacturing capacity.   The AN-94 is clearly not designed to be put out by some
hastily assembled factory that can only bend sheet metal.   So its complexity has no bearing unless it undermines
its function and reliability.   Given how Russian gun makers test their guns, I would say the AN-94 can withstand
more abuse than anything put out by NATO.  

magnumcromagnon wrote:

SR-2 Veresk is a better choice, because its effective range is 200m in a compact package (just hundred meters short of the effective range of most assault rifle rounds), and it's 9x21mm cartridge is by far the best pistol round made in decades. Hits harder than a .45, high armor perforation (capable of penetrating 2 1.2 mm titanium plates, plus 30 layers of Kevlar, at 50 m), plus the polyethylene shell expands in a open wound channel and shatters and the fragments tumble within the target.

magnumcromagnon wrote:

SV-18 sniper rifle