Vann7 wrote:well .. i know many will not like me to say any negative opinion about armata design..
but anyway..
Well. for me it looks like Armata pretty much was designed by Amateurs ,with zero experience
in aesthetics.. when it comes to visual look of the armored vehicles.. with the exception of
boomeran and koalition.. T-15 and T-14.. if it was a contest of exterior design.. will get
a score of 4 of 10. that is not horrible but very amateurish. Specially the T-15.. that you don't know whether the vehicle is finished or if it is missing parts.
How something looks is absolutley irrelevant to its combat effeciency. We don't see all vehicles fitted with all applique armor and ERA tiles but we certainly know that they will have them in place either at 9th May or later. How do i know that? Because we have seen "everything" already to fill those gaps of left out NERA/ERA tiles.
Vann7 wrote:
If they all cared was protection.. they could have saved a ton of money by just changing the turret of T-90 for the armata turret.. and try to get all vehicles to use the T-90 body.. Is a mystery for me why they bother changing drastically so much the exterior design of T-90 , for a tank like armata..
That would be not possible, due the limitation of the T-90 chassis, it just has not necessary interior space to make armor at front thick enough then make armor it from side and from behind next to the autoloader carousel compartment, it just has not enough space to make it work.
Vann7 wrote:
if it was going to look so amateurish the design ,they could just attach things on top the tank and be happy with it..
Attach what things on top of the tank?
The top of the tank already has RWS, APS, Counter Measures and optics maybe radar.
Vann7 wrote:
i mean if all they care is protection..functionality , why not just attach things on top of an
already decent design like T-90 ?
That is called T-90AM and they are doing it, but there are limitations to everything. Military industry and technologies are like hermit crabs, if you want to grow you need to get a new shell. The tank itself is not bigger, not in the dangerzone of common AT weapon hitzone.
Vann7 wrote:
there is also serious design issues in armata ..that pose a major danger to soldiers lives outside.. for example the barbeque grill protecting the air vents on the sides of T-14.. are too far from the tank, If the tank moves , while soldiers are very near the tank.. they will get impaled or dismembered an arm by the grill.
You watch to much gorey movies? Slat armor needs a certain distance from armor to reduce the chances of HEAT weapons detonating and forming an optimal penetrator, distance is key for that. Money doesn't grow on trees and russias budget isn't overblown like some others, so they use slat armor on the backside of the tank because it is less likely to be hit.
Vann7 wrote:
if that is the final version of Armata t-14 then definitively is a really bad design..
It is not the final vehicle that was mentioned more than once. They will get all the remaining stuff later, those pictures are not even official, just people shooting pictures whenever they can, nothing official about them.
Vann7 wrote:
and t-15 looks like they just slapped covers on the sides to make it look like weird plane. i really don't understand what the were thinking with such
protection placed that way.. covers only half .
First you bitch about slat armor on Armata T-14 over the exhaust pipes of engine now you bitch about the best possible protection for engine with NERA/ERA tiles.
Vann7 wrote:
when it comes to protection and weapons ,im sure Armata will beat anything the west have..
but when it comes to design it aesthetics is very amateurish ..
You know that beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder and is not something dogmatic? Many have said they like it. I prefer T-90A because it looks awesome, but i do like T-14 aswell.
Vann7 wrote:
I don't think it was done by a computer at all.. the maintainance of Armata will be a nightmare too ,with so many holes ,open surfaces , spaces and mis aligned things.. specially if the tank enter in a swamp or mud.. they will need to remove the active protection to clean that tank.
What holes? What open "surfaces"? What are you talking about?
If any tank enters mud or swamp it will be cleaned in the most common way, they drive several times through water pools they have on training grounds untill it is clean or major dirt is gone. It is much simplier than you make it. Problem becomes only when tank driver leaves his hatch open and then drives through mud then he will have a shitty day to clean up.
Vann7 wrote:
soldiers will have to be careful not to get their clothing or weapons stuck in armata reactive armor or the grill.
Only if they and their personal equipment is made of slimy goo that is attracted to mm wide gaps.
Vann7 wrote:
Anyway disappointed with the designers of Armata ,looks like their first tank .. or maybe the final version of the tank will be much different its design.. it doesn't look like anything we saw on the first page..models in plastic, that looked very modern and futuristic.
Does this resemble more the turret of the tank model or not?
![[Official] Armata Discussion thread #2 - Page 17 M37m32ey](https://2img.net/h/fs1.directupload.net/images/150429/m37m32ey.jpg)
Compared to that?
![[Official] Armata Discussion thread #2 - Page 17 Pcyrwna7](https://2img.net/h/fs1.directupload.net/images/150429/pcyrwna7.jpg)
Based on that
![[Official] Armata Discussion thread #2 - Page 17 Vh0c5](https://2img.net/r/ihimizer/img98/8250/vh0c5.jpg)