"Burevestnik" Nuclear-powered cruise missile

GunshipDemocracy wrote:Off? off? you're  picky wanka        

Yep, guilty as charged!

Given that however, I'm Ok with any method that can reliably get those Seppo flat-tops to turn turtle.... Oh the sight of that glistening upturned hull sinking by the bow, screws turning lazily....

The irony is that the main benefit of low flying subsonic is long range, but a nuclear powered scramjet could operate for years and the limits would be largely the ability of the airframe to operate at high temperatures for long periods.

A clean nuclear powered scramjet could be used on a space shuttle like aircraft instead of expensive and not very controllable solid fuelled rockets with the heat being generated by the nuclear reaction then you could use onboard fuels that don't actually even have to be fuels... nitrogen can absorb heat and expand just like hydrogen and storing large tanks of it onboard a craft wont be a huge fire risk... though in its liquid form it will be very dense and very very cold, but not actually toxic and passed through a super heated chamber of a reactor its expansion should generate a lot of thrust... both inside and outside the atmosphere...

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

Big_Gazza wrote:

Given that however, I'm Ok with any method that can reliably get those Seppo flat-tops to turn turtle....  Oh the sight of that glistening upturned hull sinking by the bow, screws turning lazily....  

not as good as hypersonic but still nice      

Where is tha from some Soviet film?

TU-22 would never launch thier long range KH-22s at point blank and Soviet film crews would not be able to set up a camera near an enemy AC so it cannot be real life

Although regardless it is a beatiful sight.

There she is...

Presumably, the new missile has the designation 9M730 and is designed in Yekaterinburg. Its dimensions, according to the MilitaryRussia portal, are about 9 meters in length, the diameter is about 1 meter, the height of the tail unit is about 3.5 meters. The rocket is placed in a container about 14 meters long, created on the basis of the container of the famous domestic missile complex 4K44 "Redut".

To test the rocket, the flying command post of the Gromov LII Il-976 was used. Two aircraft of this type recently underwent modernization and Rosatom emblems were applied on them. Tests of the newest weapons, according to the information of the President of Russia, are conducted at a specialized Central Test Site. It is located in the Arkhangelsk region.

In Russian military blogs, it is reported that the design of the newest missile has the features of modern cruise missiles of land and sea basing, but differs from them in size and layout. Presumably 9M730 consists of: the central body of the fuselage, propulsion system with side air intakes and exhaust tracts along the sides of the central part of the fuselage, folding swept wings.

To start the missile used a conventional solid-fuel starter accelerator. Marching air-jet engine - presumably, is a new type - nuclear air-jet engine in which the working air is the atmospheric air heated by a nuclear power plant.

While it is officially known that during the flight the nuclear power plant went beyond this power and ensured the necessary level of thrust. The conducted flight tests, coupled with ground tests, make it possible to proceed with the development of a strategic nuclear complex with a nuclear power plant. The new missile has virtually unlimited range.

https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5a8fcb9ba86731ba0472e70f/chto-izvestno-o-rossiiskoi-krylatoi-rakete-s-iadernym-dvigatelem-5aac1df58c8be3a1c8a88310

GunshipDemocracy wrote:Well who would think that French loosers  will forget to prove that they are descents of micronapoleon:



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According to the magazine " Air & Cosmos " in the article " Le Kinzhal Devoile ", during his annual address to the Federal Assembly, Russian President Vladimir Putin announced the existence of several weapons programs in Russia, including the presence of a dagger missile and a cruise missile with a nuclear power plant.

The principle of the reactor, which is designed to heat the air, which passes through the combustion chambers located on both sides of the tail of the rocket. Due to a sharp increase in temperature, the necessary thrust is created. The concept of using an atomic reactor on a rocket is contradictory.

-> It is more expensive than a turbojet engine,
-> and at the same time creates serious environmental risks.

-> And the rocket, the temperature of the gases at the nozzle which reaches several thousand degrees, is easily detected.
-> Is it worth such efforts to obtain an unlimited range of flight, when having cruise missiles have a flight range of 5000 km?

are French all so stupid of just  journos are simply mentally retarded propaganda clowns?

They are not wrong at all. Kh-101 with 5000km mounted on  tu-160 are capable of striking anything on world. They are far more cheaper and safer to use.

Use of small nuclear materials that can contaminate is badly seen by poeple and it could turn poeple in the world against Russia. The economy of russia would be impacted much more than it is now with sanctions. Weapon export would be very affected because russian missile have contaminated the world.

Isos is good for that. All talk and no details or proof. Ignore him.

miketheterrible wrote:Isos is good for that. All talk and no details or proof.  Ignore him.

Everyone should ignore everyone if we listen to you ...

Not it is absolutely NOT. like striking Los Angeles from Kamchatka ? still 4000km is missing. And Tu-160 must fly over Japan or between Japan and US/Canada - thus in range of US fighters.  And to strike US base Pacific.  For US east coast I kindly be silent. South Pole area too.

Tu-160 can strike los angeles with cruise missiles. It was made for that. They are also putting VLS on every ship and sub to be able to strike USA anywhere they want.

This nuclear cruise missile is not a super weapon. It's gonna be way much more expensive than normal ones.

and contamination of  Russia after Western aggressors  strike with nukes is OK? Or you forget when such a missile is going to be applied and why?

You mix everything. I was tallking about the nuclear engine. It will contaminate an area when it strikes even with conventional warehead. Strinking with nuks warehead is something else.

This missiles is meant to carry conventional wareheads too so it's not only an WWIII weapon meant to destroy USA. If they want to use it against Something else, they won't be able because it will contamine and that's Something really badly seen by normal people no matter where they live.

Hmmm world against Russia?   Let me remind you that so called West (including Japan and Korea) is not more than 12% of worlds population. And "the world community" is 10-20 of mainstream media outlets speaking narrative of oligarchic elites and deep state structures.

People who has been blaming and will keep blaming Russia for every sin until Russia is enslaved, partitioned and population decimated. The only language they understand is force. As long as they perish too any nuclear war is unlikely.




Your thought about economy is pretty controversial I would say.  Unless economy develops greatly only under colonial rule of . Vide 90s in Russia or current day in Ukraine or Salvador. And could you please tell me how sanctions impacted economy ? forcing new production? popimng up innovations as never before since 90? Less French cheese perhaps or US chicken?

I was trying to say that if this missiles is used and its engines contaminates the ground where it explodes, it would be seen really badly by poeple around the world which is worse than sanctions.

Just look how Isreal fear that people boycott their products because of their colonization.
 

. And could you please tell me how sanctions impacted economy ? forcing new production? popimng up innovations as never before since 90? Less French cheese perhaps or US chicken?

Well, Im not an expert in Economy, I never studied it.

"New production" for Russia. For the west it is not new at all. They just have to produce by their own what the west produced for them since long ago.

Which innovations ? They can produce everything they need but they are not leaders in anything. Do you see Russian components in cars or smartphones or computers or anything else ? Even in their Sukhoi, Indians choosed French and Israeli components.

French cheese ? https://munchies.vice.com/en_us/article/vvx3k9/russia-is-desperately-trying-to-copycat-frances-cheese

Russian economy has nothing particular. They are self-sufficient but nothing more.

The so called West (including Japan and Korea) is not more than 12% of worlds population but they concentrate allmost all the innovations, technologies, economies in the world.

I doubt this thing even releases any harmful amount of radiation at all. If it did it would be pain in the as to test it properly during development.

I think that Rosatom figured out the way to eliminate any harmful release of radiation during engine run.

Remember that radiation spike last year? It was detected but still it was well below any harmful amount.

Make no mistake, this is definitely doomsday weapon and third strike option but it is not as harmful as it sounds.

Also this missile explains why Rosatom suddenly decided to get couple of brand new heavy lift aircraft, I was always curios what was behind that.

That's another key aspect to this weapon is Rosatoms contribution.

Rosatom has a massive reserve of funds, massive profits and decade plus worth of contracts. Not only that, they have a strong scientific and industrial base which surprised me that they we're involved in weapons development at all (thought it was a completely different branch altogether).

Curiously though, is the missile design completely different?

miketheterrible wrote:That's another key aspect to this weapon is Rosatoms contribution.

Rosatom has a massive reserve of funds, massive profits and decade plus worth of contracts. Not only that, they have a strong scientific and industrial base which surprised me that they we're involved in weapons development at all (thought it was a completely different branch altogether).

Curiously though, is the missile design completely different?

There is nothing inherently complicated about nuclear jet engine but this project was still in development for very long time (15 years or more) so my guess is that 90% of that time was spent making this thing stable, safe and clean.

They most likely figured out the way to somehow put layer of insulation between radioactive material and air flow without sacrificing heat output.

Keep in mind that original Project Pluto/SLAM missile was supposed to be borderline hypersonic (Mach 4.2 with exposed fuel) while this one is subsonic. They probably made it cleaner and safer by insulating fuel and sacrificing speed. Smart move.

And you are right about Rosatom, strategic enterprise if their ever was one.

Has anybody stood back and marveled at this achievement? How many nuclear engines aside from power plants do people know about.
No, some 1960s nuclear rocket engines do not count. Heating some gas inside a reactor core, which is what they were, is not such a
big achievement. I think Russia has produced the first practical nuclear engine. Please correct me if I am wrong.

kvs wrote:Has anybody stood back and marveled at this achievement?   How many nuclear engines aside from power plants do people know about.
No, some 1960s nuclear rocket engines do not count.    Heating some gas inside a reactor core, which is what they were, is not such a
big achievement.   I think Russia has produced the first practical nuclear engine.   Please correct me if I am wrong.

I saw once they had a project of a plane using nuk reactors but I don't know if it flew and if it was US or soviet.

But if they manage to make this engine for a civilian project or for space project they will achieve something historical.

Isos wrote:

kvs wrote:...

I saw once they had a project of a plane using nuk reactors but I don't know if it flew and if it was US or soviet.

But if they manage to make this engine for a civilian project or for space project they will achieve something historical.

Both USSR and USA were installing reactors on airplanes back in the early days of Cold War but both projects were discontinued not long after they started.

I don't see how they could use this for space because it still needs air for propulsion. Still pretty damn impressive, making this thing stable is epic accomplishment.

Also one more thing: I believe that on this missile engine is located in the front while warhead section is in the back between those two exhausts.

They are not wrong at all. Kh-101 with 5000km mounted on tu-160 are capable of striking anything on world. They are far more cheaper and safer to use.

These nuclear propelled missiles are strategic weapons only and will only be used during WWIII, so their nuclear propulsion will be vapourised when the nuclear warhead explodes.

A dozen nuclear propelled cruise missiles released from a container ship in the southern Pacific ocean to fly around for 6 months and then head north and hit targets in the US is the sort of mission they will be used for... a mission a Tu-160 could never perform... it will already have flown its mission anyway...

Use of small nuclear materials that can contaminate is badly seen by poeple and it could turn poeple in the world against Russia. The economy of russia would be impacted much more than it is now with sanctions. Weapon export would be very affected because russian missile have contaminated the world.

There wont be a conventionally armed version of this missile... unless it ejects its warhead over the target and flys back to Russian territory and lands in a designated area for reuse...

Tu-160 can strike los angeles with cruise missiles. It was made for that. They are also putting VLS on every ship and sub to be able to strike USA anywhere they want.

This nuclear cruise missile is not a super weapon. It's gonna be way much more expensive than normal ones.

It is not a first strike weapon... it is a stab in the back weapon weeks after the mushroom clouds blow away... and then boom boom boom....

It will contaminate an area when it strikes even with conventional warehead. Strinking with nuks warehead is something else.

It is a revenge weapon... a we will keep hitting you after you think it is all over weapon...

This missiles is meant to carry conventional wareheads too so it's not only an WWIII weapon meant to destroy USA. If they want to use it against Something else, they won't be able because it will contamine and that's Something really badly seen by normal people no matter where they live.

Who said it would be conventionally armed?

I was trying to say that if this missiles is used and its engines contaminates the ground where it explodes, it would be seen really badly by poeple around the world which is worse than sanctions.

Yeah, because the US goes into every place it bombs and cleans up the DU rounds their CAS aircraft fire... and they cleaned up Vietnam of all those horrible defoliants and land mines and UXO... no... wait a minute.... no they didn't.

The Russians wont hand their enemy nuclear material... the only weapons that will use a nuclear engine will have a nuclear warhead to match.

Keep in mind that original Project Pluto/SLAM missile was supposed to be borderline hypersonic (Mach 4.2 with exposed fuel) while this one is subsonic. They probably made it cleaner and safer by insulating fuel and sacrificing speed. Smart move.

Of course define safe with a doomsday weapon.... the Pluto flew a dozen metres above the ground at something like mach 2 and was reportedly able to damage buildings by flying past them... it carried more than a dozen nuclear warheads which it fired upwards... they came back down and detonated behind the missile which just carried in its way. The jet exhaust was radioactive and the shockwaves were lethal to exposed humans on the ground... this thing could fly around for a decade irradiating... knocking down things and blowing up targets with its onboard bombs...

They didn't develop it because they feared the Soviets would build the same thing...

I saw once they had a project of a plane using nuk reactors but I don't know if it flew and if it was US or soviet.

They both had one... the Russian one was based on the Bear bomber... the problem was the weight of the reactor and all the shielding to prevent the crew from being killed meant the useful payload wasn't anything to write home about... even if it could fly around for ages before and after...

But if they manage to make this engine for a civilian project or for space project they will achieve something historical.

They are working on nuclear propulsion for a space tug... one that could be used to clean up earths orbit by removing junk, but also one that could assist interplanetary flights by adding thrust to other spaceships....

Yeah, because the US goes into every place it bombs and cleans up the DU rounds their CAS aircraft fire... and they cleaned up Vietnam of all those horrible defoliants and land mines and UXO... no... wait a minute.... no they didn't.

Exactly what I mean. Everyone is blaming them for that.

Who said it would be conventionally armed?

Well if it is only nuk armed, contamination doesn't matter.

"My view is that this weapon is insane," Schneider said. "It is going to cause a nuclear disaster in testing. What do they plan to do? Dump it into the deep ocean at the end of a successful test? Even if they can soft land it with parachutes, the reactor will melt down because it won't have any cooling."

Of course... the secret is to make it land in the US... or in the atlantic in NATO dominated waters...

Also, the high heat generated by the reactor could make the missile more vulnerable to countermeasures than an ordinary cruise missile.

This missile will enter enemy territory days or even weeks after WWIII is over and all the SLBMs and ICBMs have destroyed their targets on both sides... exactly what countermeasures is this guy thinking of?

"There would be significant radiation release," Schneider said. "Depending where the wind was blowing, it might end up in Eastern and Western Europe. In my view Russia should be subject to serious economic sanctions for this system and Status 6."

Again with the sanctions... is there still any trade between the US and Russia left to sanction?

Perhaps the US should stop buying titanium from Russia?

Ramm stated that public documents from Novator revealed the company is building two new missiles, designated 9M729, a conventional long-range cruise missile, and a second missile known as 9M730 that Ramm believes is the designation for the nuclear-powered weapon.

The analyst quoted Russian experts as describing operations of the new cruise missile as employing a nuclear power plant to heat air to several thousand degrees and then creating thrust by ejecting the superheated air.

A video of the new missile made public during Putin's speech show the missile employing four rear ports for thrust.

Ramm said the missile was tested in the same region as Novaya Zemlya near a town known as Nenoksa.

Funny, at the start of the article the claim was that the tests were failures, and then the article says you can't test such a propulsion system without enormous threats of radiation contamination... to the point where sanctions need to be imposed on Russia...



Arrow... I clicked on your link because I thought it said free bacon... it wasn't till I started reading that I realised it was American propaganda... please to not post such rubbish on Russian threads... if you must post them there is a western propaganda thread... post it there if you must.

Arrow wrote:http://freebeacon.com/national-security/pentagon-russia-tested-nuclear-powered-cruise-missile-twice/

ppfftt... stupid fairy-tales told by seppo fuckwitz who simply can't square away the Russian weaponry advances against their innate sense of Murikkkan Exceptionalism...

Twice the reactor failed to "ignite"? Dafuq? WTF does "ignite" mean? You withdraw the control rods to progressively stop absorbing the neutrons in the core, and the fission rate (& power output) increases...

Gertz and his Pentagram sword-swallowing trouser-bandit buddies have no fucking idea... This is just a puerile amateurish disinfo article, a weak attempt at pissing on Russias parade. Bah... let the seppos delude themselves into thinking the Russians are stupid and incapable. The final realisation will be all the more sweet when these cockheads can no longer ignore the reality around them.

They wouldn't have any info about this system. No one even knew it existed until last month.

All they did was just create an article that talked about an existing system they know nothing about, and made some fan fiction behind it.

I gotta start cashing in on my fan fiction too.

Arrow wrote:Subsonic cruise missiles are easy to intercept by advanced anti-aircraft defense. Old Syrian defence shot down 70 modern cruise missile. Subsonic cruise missile with nuclear engine this is not to good idea

Purpose of this thing is to stay in the air while nuclear war unfolds and to later mop up any surviving population several days/weeks after nuclear exchange is completed when there is nothing left to intercept it