Can't bring back that the mountain of corpses that Putin ended up creating of course..
Don't want to bring them back... just make a big pile and call it nazi hill and put a latrine on the top.
I'm not happy about the strategy of the war. It seems like a shock and awe campaign might have actually been better in so far as ending the war quicker and with less casualties not only for the Russian side, but the Ukrainian one especially.
Shock and awe didn't work in Iraq, why would it work in the Ukraine?
Why would making the local population think Russia was prepared to murder them all if they don't surrender now would make things easier or better?
Either that or the Soviet break-through doctrine, mass encirclements and so on.
Isn't that what they are doing?
The Ukrainian army is taking a lot of losses in desperate counterattacks, and simply put this should have been avoided..
Why?
Desperate counter attacks that end in the Ukrainians getting killed is how this works... eliminate the ones wanting to kill Russians... that is the purpose of the attack... and Ukraine should be happy about this... they have been doing everything they could to start a war and have been saying they were fighting Russians since 2014... well now they have their wish... bit different with real Russians instead of civilians that don't shoot back.
That one ended in failure whereas this one has turned into what it is now.
Yup, that one ended in failure while this one seems to be working...
Too late now. The fact is though that the fuel storages and ammo supplies of the Ukrainians are destroyed so there's only so long they can fight.
Yes, what a lucky break for the Russians that they have had so many explosive accidents at their fuel and ammo dumps... unless that was on purpose and actually part of the plan.... DUH.
The Ukrainian army and govt has been preserved so its in theory still possible to work with them, rather than doing as what the US did in Iraq and Afghanistan - destroyed everything and then attempted to build their own from scratch, only to encounter a massive insurgency.
I am sure there will be parts of the Ukrainian army that want to fight and die to kill Russians... well give them their chance, but plenty don't want to be there, like that Brit who volunteered... they will have lists and information from this battlefield and others I suspect so any ISIS volunteers might be fighting to the death too to avoid prosecution.
There is no need to wipe out the Ukrainian army, but when Russia is done there wont be a replacement... the Ukraine is going to be neutral and demilitarised and will likely get security guarantees from Russia so that it remains so.
Putin thought he could do a regime change in Kiev in a few days, he was very wrong.
I remember Madeline Allbright saying Kosovo would be free in three or four days, and I vaguely remember a few other US politicians making extravagant claims about the various military operations the west started involving a few days or a week at most, but I have never heard a timetable from Putin, you are making that up.
This will take months.
If that is what it takes then that is how long it will take.
Even when the Russian forces has taken all the key points the fighting will constuine with endless support from the west.
No it wont. As guerillas get killed it gets harder and harder to replace them, and the endless support from the west is fickle... they just blew up a base with foreign volunteers where they were stockpiling weapons donated from the west that was hit with about 30 cruise missiles, so that is a lot of support the guys on the front line wont be receiving.
Russia has been intercepting weapon supplies and HQs in Syria rather successfully for the last 5 years do you think they suddenly forgot how to do that because it gets colder in the Ukraine than in Syria?
Whatever the outcome of the war Russia and its people are going to suffer. I seriusly dont know what Putin was thinking here.
The US was going to help Kiev build nuclear weapons and was helping them working on illegal bio weapons and Kiev was planning to invade their separatist regions of Donbass and Lugansk about 6 days ago, and when Russian forces got involved they would have asked for HATO peacekeepers, which would likely have been approved because Russia is clearly blind and weak...
The evidence is 100% clear and obvious, unlike the western invasion of Iraq for the same excuse.
What I don't understand is why you think waiting would do any good... waiting 8 years and letting Kiev murder 14,000 of their own people does not seem like a good strategy any more and FP was complaining that he was doing nothing while these people are dying... now he is bitching because people are dying...
Well the Russians are disciplined soldiers and will only fire if fired upon so most of the civilian casualties will come from civilians armed by the west to stop the Russians, or civilians used as meat shields by the hard core nazi troops Kiev has at its disposal... neither of which is Putins fault or the fault of Russian soldiers.
The west doens't care that the Ukrainians do that to their own people why should I?
As it looks now Finland is on its way to join Nato, Sweden has over 80 years of none alliance, but are also thinking hard about it.
Good, that will close that border and cut ties between Finland and Russia... they were a bad influence.
You do realice that Russia will be the one that will suffer the most ?
You do realise this was their best choice... everyone is going to suffer because of this, but at least they get to keep their independence.
Every single military project will now be delalyed or cancelled,
Many will likely be accelerated... the PD-8 engine programme has already been accelerated...
the Russian people will loose many rights,
The right to be an alphabet person is over rated.
free elections will vanish,
Says who?
it will be very empty in the stores,
They produce their own food. The consumer devices in their stores most likely come from China and will likely continue to do so... some brands will disappear, and other brands will pop up to replace them at likely half the price.
all western companies will leave,
You say that like it is a bad thing, local alternatives and foreign alternatives will replace them... good old market forces... cokecola doesn't dominate the market because it has a good product, it dominates because it has the money and market share to squeeze out any competition. They don't cure cancer... they probably create cancer with their sugar water shit...
you wont be able to buy western cars,
Western cars are crap.... overpriced metal penises.
use the internet,
No one is cutting them off the internet and it couldn't be done even if they wanted to... but if they did then that gives Russia the opportunity to do all sorts of damage world wide because if they have no internet how would you get them back?
fashion companies are leaving, prices will increase extremly, the rubel will fall ecs ecs ecs.
Their economy is based on rubles, the value of the ruble would not matter except for imported items which would suddenly become very very expensive so local alternatives would be worth developing and selling instead, which would be good for Russia.
Hilarious you think fashion is so important, so they will have energy and food but their shoes and clothes will be out of date, while westerners will have no power and not enough food but they will look modern and up to date as they freeze... hilarious.
And for what? Invading a brother poeple?
Protecting themselves from rabid nazi anti Russian brother people working on bio weapons and nukes... and they get to cut the rest of their ties with the West too which is a bonus.
The west will never accept Russia as anything other than a new colony and Russia will never accept those terms.
Nato wont back down,
HATO already backed down when it said it would not do anything other than sanctions and weapon supplies.
it will build up and Russia wont be able to keep up and more nations will now join.
When more nations join Russia will respond.
Europe wont close anything but thier pipes coming from Russia.
A whole world market out there for energy, if Europe does not want cheap energy I am sure other countries will line up for that.
Every nation in the EU has started planing how to stop being depended on Russian gas and oil, in a few years Russia wont be able to sell anything to Europe because no one wants it.
Putin expected that... he has done everything he reasonably could... except submit his country to the slaughter, and when it was clear western plans were getting ready for that slaughter anyway Putin attacked... he had no other choice because all the other choices were worse than this.
Russian soldiers are dying, but they are killing Nazis, and literally protecting Russia from crazies on their border... that is rather more legitimate than the dozens of conflicts the west has been involved in in the last 50 years, but keep crying about evil Mr Putin... he is past caring now which is good.
You didn't give a shit when Russia was suffering from western democracy in the 1990s, why should they care about your threats of their suffering now... there was no better option.
Sweden is on the front of these things, with getting less and less depended on oil year by year.
Good for you... so what are you using instead of plastics and other oil related products?
Saying they are going to find alternatives is amusing because the two obvious alternatives for Europe would be nuclear and coal, neither is very green the way you do it either... even the US relies on Russia for the uranium in its nuclear power stations... this is going to be amusing... Putin hasn't announced his responses to western sanctions yet but he did say they were assymetric... ie not just tit for tat, they will be targeted to cause pain.
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Finland seems to be getting Russians though, alot of people have had enough of Putin it seems.
and the EU added more sanctions that will hit hard on Russian industry.
