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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Mar 02, 2018 1:21 am

    https://rg.ru/2018/02/25/reg-cfo/rf-sozdast-protivosputnikovyj-samolet-s-lazerom.html


    Russia will create an anti-satellite aircraft with a laser
    the technologies developed during the creation of the Soviet "flying laser" A-60 are actively used to create a fundamentally new aircraft equipped with laser weapons, Interfax reported , citing an informed source.

    - The development of this complex took place, at the current stage of work completed. They will allow to make a step forward in the creation of such aircraft, "the source said. He added that the bearer of a combat laser, intended, in particular, for suppressing reconnaissance satellites, is likely to be a fundamentally new aircraft.

    In 1981, on the basis of the military transport aircraft Il-76, a flying laboratory A-60 was developed to develop the technology of a "flying laser". Outwardly, the aircraft was distinguished by an elongated nose end - it had an aiming system - and two fairings along the sides of the fuselage. Under them hid powerful turbogenerators, feeding a battle laser. The radiator itself was placed in a retractable turret under the flaps of the upper fuselage.

    At the beginning of the XXI century, work on the A-60 was suspended, as laser technology did not keep up with aviation. In 2009, an experiment was conducted: the laser beam emitted from the A-60 beam recorded a high-speed spacecraft at a distance of 1500 kilometers. In 2016, Russian Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov announced the completion of ground tests of a deeply modernized A-60 laser and the continuation of the flight tests of the system. In the report, PJSC "Scientific-Production Association" Almaz "named after Academician AA Rasppletin" for 2017 among other things "Development and research of a prototype of an aviation-based laser complex for counteraction in the infrared spectrum to reconnaissance means on land, sea, in the air and in space. "

    NPO Almaz is a backbone enterprise of the military-industrial complex of Russia, a developer of anti-aircraft missile systems and air defense systems. In the development of the "flying laser" involved Voronezh KB chimavtomatiki and Taganrog air complex named after Beriev.



    and now the question - fundamentally means here laser or that will not be based on Il-476?

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    Post  Militarov on Fri Mar 02, 2018 1:37 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:https://rg.ru/2018/02/25/reg-cfo/rf-sozdast-protivosputnikovyj-samolet-s-lazerom.html


    Russia will create an anti-satellite aircraft with a laser
    the technologies developed during the creation of the Soviet "flying laser" A-60 are actively used to create a fundamentally new aircraft equipped with laser weapons, Interfax reported , citing an informed source.

    - The development of this complex took place, at the current stage of work completed. They will allow to make a step forward in the creation of such aircraft, "the source said. He added that the bearer of a combat laser, intended, in particular, for suppressing reconnaissance satellites, is likely to be a fundamentally new aircraft.

    In 1981, on the basis of the military transport aircraft Il-76, a flying laboratory A-60 was developed to develop the technology of a "flying laser". Outwardly, the aircraft was distinguished by an elongated nose end - it had an aiming system - and two fairings along the sides of the fuselage. Under them hid powerful turbogenerators, feeding a battle laser. The radiator itself was placed in a retractable turret under the flaps of the upper fuselage.

    At the beginning of the XXI century, work on the A-60 was suspended, as laser technology did not keep up with aviation. In 2009, an experiment was conducted: the laser beam emitted from the A-60 beam recorded a high-speed spacecraft at a distance of 1500 kilometers. In 2016, Russian Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov announced the completion of ground tests of a deeply modernized A-60 laser and the continuation of the flight tests of the system. In the report, PJSC "Scientific-Production Association" Almaz "named after Academician AA Rasppletin" for 2017 among other things "Development and research of a prototype of an aviation-based laser complex for counteraction in the infrared spectrum to reconnaissance means on land, sea, in the air and in space. "

    NPO Almaz is a backbone enterprise of the military-industrial complex of Russia, a developer of anti-aircraft missile systems and air defense systems. In the development of the "flying laser" involved Voronezh KB chimavtomatiki and Taganrog air complex named after Beriev.



    and now the question - fundamentally means here laser or that will not be based on Il-476?


    No, no, no, no.

    This is not system that will counter satelites, it has no such power, and its land based. This is to deal with UAVs, light PGMs...stuff like that. So those are two completely separated projects.

    A-60 to my knowledge lost its funding some years ago, if it got any work done on it, it started recently or will in future.

    When its about the aircraft, it has to be based on something existing, whats the point of wasting hundreds of million USD to make aircraft to carry a laser lol. Bad translation probably.
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    Post  littlerabbit on Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:26 pm

    Isos wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:Isos, if you can't be logical, please go to F-16.net instead.

    This shits been in development for long time. They don't announce everything like US does for penis measurement at every given time.

    This was obviously planned to talk about it now.

    Well it doesn't change the fact that it showed today for Putin.

    And yes it is weired that so much nuclear and laser futuristic weapons are "ready" on time for the election. I was pointing that fact which is obvious. Maybe they were all ready as PapaDragon since long time.

    You take everything personnaly, that's boring.

    Obviously, this was a planned move. I don't think they revealed all of this weapons for presidential elections, there are other reasons. Firstly, Washington said it will use smaller nuclear devices in local conflicts (read: Syria). Secondly, it is clear that USA are planning to make some war in Donbass, Syria, Lebanon, maybe even Iran, N.Korea. I believe this was the last Russian warning, before shit hits the fan. It looks to me like a dramatic situation, that something serious is coming soon. No
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:51 pm

    Militarov wrote:

    No, no, no, no.

    This is not system that will counter satelites, it has no such power, and its land based. This is to deal with UAVs, light PGMs...stuff like that. So those are two completely separated projects.

    A-60 to my knowledge lost its funding some years ago, if it got any work done on it, it started recently or will in future.

    When its about the aircraft, it has to be based on something existing, whats the point of wasting hundreds of million USD to make aircraft to carry a laser lol. Bad translation probably.



    Nope translation is good enough I've read it in original and it say the same Smile In Interfax there is one more important sentence though- Il-96 is to have production restarted.


    http://www.interfax.ru/russia/601331

    The source learned about the prospects of creating in Russia a new aircraft with laser weapons

    Moscow. 25 February. INTERFAX.RU - Russia will actively use the developments gained in the creation of the aircraft with laser weapons A-60, an informed source told Interfax.

    "The development of this complex took place, all the work done will allow to make a step forward in the creation of such aircraft," the source said.

    According to him, the future of the complex will be determined by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. "Most likely, later a fundamentally new similar aircraft will be created, but not on the basis of the IL-76MD," the source said.

    "At the current stage of work completed," - he said.

    In 2016 it became known that in Russia they plan to create a laser complex that will suppress reconnaissance means even in space.

    In the USSR, the experimental flying laboratory A-60 was developed, which was the carrier of laser weapons. According to open sources, the program was subsequently closed. In 2012, the newspaper "Izvestia" reported that the work on the flying laboratory will be resumed.
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    Post  gaurav on Sat Mar 03, 2018 1:33 am

    The development of this complex took place, all the work done will allow to make a step forward in the creation of such aircraft," the source said.

    According to him, the future of the complex will be determined by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. "Most likely, later a fundamentally new similar aircraft will be created, but not on the basis of the IL-76MD," the source said.

    "At the current stage of work completed," - he said.


    The cruising altitude of IL 476  and the maximum altitude of IL 476  aircraft is the issue here. MoD has not publicised what is the issue here.
    They could have said that upgraded , modernized , new package whatever .Mod did not say anything of this sort.
    t directly told a "new" aircraft with similar payload.

    Russia went ahead with the ground based deployment fro anti missile /anti sat application.

    I think they have a whole regiment /divisions of this laser in ground based deployment. The video did not show any factory , design tests .
    This video was real time Army units using the laser.

    The laser is deadly .. against satellites .. it was used 2 times in 2014 though not confirmed.
    I think it is dual cannon .. or 2 beams maybe more  for maximum destructive effect on the target.

    and it looks a gas laser .
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    Post  Militarov on Sat Mar 03, 2018 1:53 am

    gaurav wrote:
    The development of this complex took place, all the work done will allow to make a step forward in the creation of such aircraft," the source said.

    According to him, the future of the complex will be determined by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. "Most likely, later a fundamentally new similar aircraft will be created, but not on the basis of the IL-76MD," the source said.

    "At the current stage of work completed," - he said.


    The cruising altitude of IL 476  and the maximum altitude of IL 476  aircraft is the issue here. MoD has not publicised what is the issue here.
    They could have said that upgraded , modernized , new package whatever .Mod did not say anything of this sort.
    t directly told a "new" aircraft with similar payload.

    Russia went ahead with the ground based deployment fro anti missile /anti sat application.

    I think they have a whole regiment /divisions of this laser in ground based deployment. The video did not show any factory , design tests .
    This video was real time Army units using the laser.

    The laser is deadly .. against satellites .. it was used 2 times in 2014 though not confirmed.
    I think it is dual cannon .. or 2 beams maybe more  for maximum destructive effect on the target.

    and it looks a gas laser .

    Its still not in service its on state testing.

    And its not powerful enough to be used aganist satelites, there is a reason why ASAT variant is supposed to be based on aircraft.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Mar 03, 2018 2:22 am

    gaurav wrote:
    The cruising altitude of IL 476  and the maximum altitude of IL 476  aircraft is the issue here. MoD has not publicised what is the issue here.
    They could have said that upgraded , modernized , new package whatever .Mod did not say anything of this sort.
    t directly told a "new" aircraft with similar payload..


    Il 96 -
    Service ceiling 13,100 m
    Cruise Altitude 9,000 to 12,000 m
    Range with max. payload 12,800 km (6,907 nmi v - 58 tones) 5,000 km (2,699 nmi (92 tones)



    Il 76
    Range: 5,000 km (2,700 nmi) for (Il-76MD-90A/TD-90VD) with 52 tonne payload; 4,000 km (Il-76M/T); 4,400 km (Il-76MD/TD), 4,200 km (Il-76MF/TF)
    Service ceiling: 13,000 m (42,700 ft)


    I'd say its about range and/or payload.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Mar 03, 2018 4:42 am

    And its not powerful enough to be used aganist satelites,

    Define powerful enough...

    For use against a recon satellite with optical sensors and mirrors you don't need the laser to be powerful enough to blow it into tiny pieces... simply blinding it temporarily (ie dazzle it) or damage beyond repair the optical components would be sufficient...



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    Post  George1 on Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:50 am

    Militarov wrote:

    Its comparable to lets say AN/SEQ-3 LaWS.

    exactly, it is intended for against low-end asymmetric threats (drones for example)[/quote]
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    Post  gaurav on Sat Mar 03, 2018 4:03 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:I'd say its about range and/or payload.
    Yaah that could be a possiblity .. no doubt about that.


    I think it is a fully deployed laser. See those latest (not sure) latest vehicles.. kamaz trucks .. and Ural trucks  .fitted with compact machinery.
    For the west to develop similar machines it would take decades.

    U.S satellite blown and CNN propaganda

    NOAA satellite breaks up in orbit



    A US Air Force weather satellite exploded in Earth orbit on February 3, scattering debris along its path. In a report by Space.com, Air Force and space officials indicated the breakup of Defense Meteorological Satellite Program Flight 13 (DMSP-F13) was due to a malfunction of its battery system rather than a collision with a foreign body. Meanwhile, The European Space Agency (ESA) has released an assessment of the hazard posed by the debris.

    A 20-year-old military weather satellite apparently exploded in orbit Feb. 3 following what the U.S. Air Force described as a sudden temperature spike.
    Air Force Space Command said DMSP-F13’s power subsystem experienced “a sudden spike in temperature” followed by “an unrecoverable loss of attitude control.” As DMSP operators were deciding to “render the vehicle safe” the Joint Space Operations Center at Vandenberg Air Force Base, California, identified a debris field near the satellite.
    The “catastrophic event” produced 43 pieces of space debris, according to Air Force Space Command, which disclosed the loss of the satellite Feb. 27 in response to questions from SpaceNews.
    The Air Force said it is continuing to track the debris and will issue conjunction warnings if necessary.


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    Post  gaurav on Sat Mar 03, 2018 4:46 pm

    Sputniknews Russian laser

    During his address to the Federal Assembly, President Vladimir Putin shocked observers when he said
    that Russia's progress in laser weaponry was "not just a concept or a plan,"
    and that the army was already being equipped with combat lasers.

    "I do not want to reveal more details. It is not the time yet.
    But experts will understand that with such weaponry,
    Russia's defense capacity has multiplied,
    " Putin added.



    Crimean lawmaker Natalya Poklonskaya proposed calling the laser system 'Crimea', and
    the drone platform Sevastopol, "in honor of the historical reunification of Russian lands" in 2014.

    Well she is not wrong because of crimea crisis 2 major U.S satellites
    were blown up by this same laser , after that Deep state took over .. with fake news
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    Post  kvs on Sun Mar 04, 2018 8:46 pm

    Putin did the right thing to put this information out. The retards running NATO really believe that Russia has no
    technological and scientific capacity and potential. These f*ckwads don't even have physics degrees and think
    they know all there is about physics. In NATO we have conclusive evidence that only scum rises to the top and
    the talent of the scum is to be scum and nothing else.

    This laser system probably has the ability to shut down all aircraft activity within some radius without using SAMs.
    That is not a trivial achievement. SAMs take time to reach their target and can be messed around with via EM
    tricks. A high power laser beam cannot be defeated even if hypothetically a mirror surface is used. There is
    always some absorption just due to QM effects. And there is no way that stealth F-22s and F-35s ware going
    to drop their RAM coatings for mirror finishes.

    High power lasers can also take down air to surface missiles of any speed. So Russia is developing technology that
    defeats its own innovations such as Kinzhal. This is smart. Yankees and their corrupt procurement process are
    going to have a hard time catching up.

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    Post  Vann7 on Sun Mar 04, 2018 9:54 pm

    kvs wrote:Putin did the right thing to put this information out.   The retards running NATO really believe that Russia has no
    technological and scientific capacity and potential.    These f*ckwads don't even have physics degrees and think
    they know all there is about physics.    In NATO we have conclusive evidence that only scum rises to the top and
    the talent of the scum is to be scum and nothing else.  

    This laser system probably has the ability to shut down all aircraft activity within some radius without using SAMs.
    That is not a trivial achievement.   SAMs take time to reach their target and can be messed around with via EM
    tricks.   A high power laser beam cannot be defeated even if hypothetically a mirror surface is used.   There is
    always some absorption just due to QM effects.    And there is no way that stealth F-22s and F-35s ware going
    to drop their RAM coatings for mirror finishes.  

    High power lasers can also take down air to surface missiles of any speed.   So Russia is developing technology that
    defeats its own innovations such as Kinzhal.    This is smart.    Yankees and their corrupt procurement process are
    going to have a hard time catching up.    

    As cool as Lasers are.. because of the pretty star wars movie like light..
    They have limitations ,get interference from clouds ,water and dust and bad weather..
    This is why to intercept Ballistic missiles ,American had to mount their lasers in a 747 plane.. to fly very high and
    by pass the weather and clouds interference ..This means that for long range targets is neccessary a plane.. and by the way the American airborn laser project failed.



    And while the Americans haven’t been very successful here, Russia’s aircraft-mounted laser has proved
    its ability to successfully fulfil the set tasks,” he added.

    https://sputniknews.com/russia/201608071044027427-russia-laser-weapons/

    But i think that the much more more advanced weapons Russia military is working ,that looks like taken from
    a science fiction movie are not their lasers weapons , but instead their indirect physical impact radio electronic weapons .. Because radio waves ,can bypass easily not only air but also solid rock ,bad weather and water too..
    WIth a powerful radio wave ,using very obscure science ,that soviets were experimenting first than anyone.. according Sputnik.. it can be used to shutdown satellites ,planes ,drones and warships.. anything and it have been confirmed by the company ,that produce them.. working on it.   It can active bombs or it can fry electronics.. and the most interesting thing about this weapons is that can be used to SEE in 3d everything.. for example spy inside a plane ,of how many people are inside and even see people faces.. even if they behind a wall.. With such weapons ,you will have a field day with NATO swarm of drones and completely neutralize hundreds if not thousands of them ,without firing a single missile or bullet. and apparently neither you need a nuclear reactor ,so much energy like lasers to make it work.

    Such weapon if released , will make look lazers like yesterday science.. Because a radio electric weapon ,can be used
    with equal effectivements to destroy electronics in air ,ground or see ,or even kill humans inside a plane ,without firing a missile. and even people inside a tank can be killed with such weapons without destroying the tank.

    https://sputniknews.com/military/201610131046285777-russia-energy-weapons/

    Such weapons will completely revolutionize modern warfare to a whole new level..
    Tanks ,planes ,satellites could be aimed equally by the same gun and the range will surpass anything..
    Terrorist that hide for example inside a house or behind a heavy rock ,could be killed without firing a shot.. just by radiating with lethal radio waves them.. Mines fields could be cleared fast by aiming the radio beam..
    there are endless possibilities..
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    Post  gaurav on Mon Mar 12, 2018 4:10 pm

    http://interfax.com/newsinf.asp?pg=7&id=815802

    Russian combat lasers can destroy hostile targets - Defense Ministry
    MOSCOW. March 12 (Interfax-AVN) - Combat laser weapons capable of disarming enemy capabilities and destroying
    hostile targets were supplied to the Russian army last year, Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov told the ministry's newspaper Krasnaya Zvezda in an interview.

    "Our nuclear scientists have learned how to concentrate energy required for destroying relevant enemy weapons instantly, in a split second," Borisov said.

    "Laser weapons capable of disarming capabilities of the potential enemy and destroying every target of the laser beam were commissioned last year," he said.

    "I think the dynamics of achievements, especially in the field of weapons based on new physical principles, has gained pace," Borisov said.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:00 am

    As I look through this thread I see some confused posts... can I point out that some of you are talking about airborne laser systems, while others are talking about the truck based system revealed by Putin recently.

    Each has different roles and therefore are not really comparable.

    As pointed out the ground based system is likely designed to defend ground targets so it makes sense for it to be ground based... it will likely operate with other air defence systems including short and long range missiles and perhaps even guns...

    The air based system is intended for defeating strategic recon assets... not that includes satellites, but unlike the US airborne laser which was supposed to blow away ICBMs during their initial launch stage, this is a Russian system more likely being used to damage sensors and equipment on US satellites and also likely spy planes and UAV drones. It does not need to shoot anything down... a spy with destroyed optics and damaged electronics is much less of a threat, without filling earth orbit with debris.

    And yes, they already have lasers powerful enough, and for those suggesting clouds might be an issue... they would certainly defeat a visible light laser, but an xray laser or gamma ray laser would pass right through...


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    Post  George1 on Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:44 am

    Airborne laser thread is here:
    A-60 Airborne Laser weapon

    Ground-based laser mentioned by Putin is a different system


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    Post  The-thing-next-door on Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:09 am

    Could anyone maybe explain the mount for the ground based "laser" that was unveiled recently it does not seem to make any sense.

    Why would it need more than just horizontal traverse and vertical elevation?
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    Post  kvs on Tue Mar 13, 2018 4:26 pm

    The-thing-next-door wrote:Could anyone maybe explain the mount for the ground based "laser" that was unveiled recently it does not seem to make any sense.

    Why would it need more than just horizontal traverse and vertical elevation?

    It looks like it is designed to cover hemispheres. The laser seems to be designed as a last and best defense against any air attack for ground
    based systems. The S-400/500 can cover over the horizon incoming threats. But a laser system with enough power is guaranteed to
    take out anything that manages to get through. Including hypersonic missiles.
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    Post  The-thing-next-door on Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:17 pm

    kvs wrote:
    The-thing-next-door wrote:Could anyone maybe explain the mount for the ground based "laser" that was unveiled recently it does not seem to make any sense.

    Why would it need more than just horizontal traverse and vertical elevation?

    It looks like it is designed to cover hemispheres.    The laser seems to be designed as a last and best defense against any air attack for ground
    based systems.    The S-400/500 can cover over the horizon incoming threats.    But a laser system with enough power is guaranteed to
    take out anything that manages to get through.   Including hypersonic missiles.  

    That still does not answer the question of why it has such a wierd mount.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:10 pm

    Why would it need more than just horizontal traverse and vertical elevation?

    What are you talking about?

    The roof slides back and the system can spin in the horizontal axis 360 degrees and can elevate vertically from what appears to be pointing straight down (presumably when not in use) to pointing straight up... what more would you need?


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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:54 pm

    The-thing-next-door wrote:
    That still does not answer the question of why it has such a wierd mount.

    and what's weird there?  It can traverse horizontally/vertically and initial position is securing it during transportation?





    kvs wrote:  But a laser system with enough power is guaranteed to
    take out anything that manages to get through.   Including hypersonic missiles.  

    Then power issue is interesting - hypersonic missile flies in thousands degrees hot plasma . Not sure how plasma physics works if you apply laser to it? is going though or just warm sup the whole plasma cloud?
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    Post  The-thing-next-door on Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:58 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    Why would it need more than just horizontal traverse and vertical elevation?

    What are you talking about?

    The roof slides back and the system can spin in the horizontal axis 360 degrees and can elevate vertically from what appears to be pointing straight down (presumably  when not in use) to pointing straight up... what more would you need?

    So you think the aditional axis of rotation is just to alowt it to fold up neatly when not in use?

    Does anyone know why they di not just make it one long tube or even better have the laser stretch along the entire lenth of the trailer and be directed by mirrors?
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:20 pm

    Then power issue is interesting - hypersonic missile flies in thousands degrees hot plasma . Not sure how plasma physics works if you apply laser to it? is going though or just warm sup the whole plasma cloud?

    That reentry vehicle was design to operate at temperatures for a certain number of seconds or minutes in the atmosphere... applying a laser beam to add temperature to just one part of it rapidly is rather likely to cause problems... look at what happened to the space shuttle when one heat tile was damaged/removed.

    It does not need to blow the munition completely to pieces... just creating a hairline weakness or crack would be enough for the environment it is in to destroy it rapidly...

    I remember reading some science fiction that predated the whole idea of laser beams and it was stated with vigour that energy weapons were pointless because it was perfectly logical that any level of energy powerful enough to kill your enemy would kill you first. They had not thought of the idea of concentrated directed energy weapons... An EM weapon could pass through a heat shield shell and destroy the electronics inside that actually make it work... turning it into a kinetic weapon... a dud.


    Does anyone know why they di not just make it one long tube or even better have the laser stretch along the entire lenth of the trailer and be directed by mirrors?

    Inside earths atmosphere? Because any spot of dust or dirt on the mirror and the focused energy would destroy the mirror... and no mirror is perfect... every mirror or prism you use reduces the power of the beam.

    So you think the aditional axis of rotation is just to alowt it to fold up neatly when not in use?

    What are you talking about? It has two axis of movement... 360 degrees around so it can point in any direction of the compass, and up and down so it can point up and down at targets coming from different angles...

    Here is a screen shot... Axis A spins around horizontally and Axis B aims the laser up and down... in other words the same traverse elevation options any self propelled gun uses to aim at targets coming from any direction at any elevation.



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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:22 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Then power issue is interesting - hypersonic missile flies in thousands degrees hot plasma . Not sure how plasma physics works if you apply laser to it? is going though or just warm sup the whole plasma cloud?

    That reentry vehicle was design to operate at temperatures for a certain number of seconds or minutes in the atmosphere... applying a laser beam to add temperature to just one part of it rapidly is rather likely to cause problems... look at what happened to the space shuttle when one heat tile was damaged/removed.

    It does not need to blow the munition completely to pieces... just creating a hairline weakness or crack would be enough for the environment it is in to destroy it rapidly...


    1) Laser weapon needs time and energy to get THROUGH ball of plasma to any place. (aka laser beam propagation in Plasma). What percentage of energy will be lost? de-focused?
    2) materials from which Avangard is built must have some "security coefficient" designed on top of "working temperature" . Of course damging in shuttle style is end to anything but first you need to get there for enough long time and stay focused. And it flies 20mach...


    3) As for EM weapons - a Faraday's cage?




    Here is a screen shot... Axis A spins around horizontally and Axis B aims the laser up and down... in other words the same traverse elevation options any self propelled gun uses to aim at targets coming from any direction at any elevation.


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    Post  kvs on Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:32 am

    I was referring to lower atmosphere hypersonic missiles such as the Kinzhal. Such missiles will not have a thick layer of plasma
    around them and will likely not have 2000 C rates materials.

    The effectiveness of the laser is a function of its power. It has the market for speed of interception cornered for all time.
    There is no point building a military laser that takes a long time to damage surfaces. So any military laser will have

    1) a very narrow beam diameter by design. This allows for concentration of energy over a very small area of the intercepted
    target and hence maximizing of the damage

    2) a lot of power so that it will go through a human like a hot knife through butter. In fact any energy absorbing material
    will be penetrated fast.

    I bet they test these lasers on the tiles used for the Buran and the US shuttles.

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