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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Jun 09, 2017 6:51 pm

    par far wrote:
    calm wrote:Looks like Americans got fucked north-east of Tanf

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    https://twitter.com/EjmAlrai/status/873191315776974848


    Good news but where is this on the map?
    Think this might be it.

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    Not sure but perhaps the latest US attack on SAA was an attempt to head this off.


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    Post  lycantrop on Fri Jun 09, 2017 7:00 pm

    Map in better, readable quality

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    Post  calm on Fri Jun 09, 2017 7:08 pm

    Russia want Abu Kamal. Advance to continue.
    America is like 1000 steps behind Russia lol1

    SAA made progress of 184km, advance toward Abu kamal.Turned toward Iraq border after capture of some village/place "al buda"
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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Jun 09, 2017 7:10 pm

    Map with arrows east, sorry about quality but you get the message Smile Southern arrow with PMU help?

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    Post  par far on Fri Jun 09, 2017 7:10 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    par far wrote:
    calm wrote:Looks like Americans got fucked north-east of Tanf

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    https://twitter.com/EjmAlrai/status/873191315776974848


    Good news but where is this on the map?
    Think this might be it.

    Syrian War: News #13 - Page 20 DB46bOZXgAARr-F


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    Not sure but perhaps the latest US attack on SAA was an attempt to head this off.


    Thanks, now let's make a buffer zone around it and go for Deir ez-Zor and get all the important areas and the areas that have the most resources.
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    Post  calm on Fri Jun 09, 2017 7:26 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Map with arrows east, sorry about quality but you get the message Smile Southern arrow with PMU help?

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    No they arriver to village Al-bawdah as said in video i posted, and turned south( 40km) toward Iraq border.
    This way
    http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=33.895497&lon=39.197159&z=11&m=b&gz=0;384521484;336483503;0;6559574;8514404;3610614;8603668;0

    And this is the place of US new base
    http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=33.976392&lon=38.881989&z=10&m=b&gz=0;384521484;336483503;0;6559574;8514404;3610614;8603668;0;7374572;1656043;7731628;1889917;8116149;1667454;7965086;1422108;7608031;1325091;7436369;1393575;7518767;1701683;7772827;1616108

    That arrows toward Abu Kamal show direction of advance/future advance, as they said in video, advanced continue


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    Syria-Iraq Borders Right Now
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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Jun 09, 2017 7:45 pm

    I hadn't seen your post when I posted my second map. Sorry to overlap.

    My comment re the PMU was the possibility of them helping on the southern arrow direction, not that they helped the SAA get to the border. Now they have linked up and given the Syrian/Iraqi Government's OK over working together in Syria, there is a huge opportunity for the PMU to dramatically boost manpower for the strike to Deir.

    Also I read this morning of a senior Iranian officer commenting (following the Saudi moves in the Gulf) that we were about to see a huge anti ISIS action.
    EDIT: I meant to say a reaction to the bombing in Tehran.



    Also found this

    Elijah J. Magnier‏ @EjmAlrai 58m58 minutes ago
    Replying to @EjmAlrai

    I have written and repeated about what happen today (SAA and allies + Iraqi will reach the borders) in the last few weeks.


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    Post  franco on Fri Jun 09, 2017 7:50 pm

    Qatar was the biggest pusher for the pipeline... perhaps that plays into the picture in regards to the US also dunno
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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Jun 09, 2017 7:58 pm

    That's 5000kg of destruction heading someone's way

    [i] Harry Boone‏ @ 6h6 hours ago

    USN F/A-18F Super Hornet loaded with 10 JDAMs t/o from USS George H.W. Bush (CVN 77) in Eastern Mediterranean Sea

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    Post  KiloGolf on Fri Jun 09, 2017 8:04 pm

    JohninMK wrote:That's 5000kg of destruction heading someone's way

    [i] Harry Boone‏ @ 6h6 hours ago

    USN F/A-18F Super Hornet loaded with 10 JDAMs t/o from USS George H.W. Bush (CVN 77) in Eastern Mediterranean Sea

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    Or time to get rid of some embarassing evidence. Suspect
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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Jun 09, 2017 8:08 pm

    Not sure what this means in terms of whose SF

    Abraxas Spa‏ 2h2 hours ago

    And more of the Pandur AGMS in Raqqa, via @FRANCE24


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    Various Pandur AGMS (EO masts, GMG 40mm...) and resupply vehicles somewhere near #Raqqa h/t @CT_operative via @AFP


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    Post  KiloGolf on Fri Jun 09, 2017 8:10 pm


    Idrees Ali‏Verified account @idreesali114 3m3 minutes ago
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    Pentagon says Russia "very helpful" in easing tensions near At Tanf. Haven't heard that much praise from this building for Kremlin in Syria.

    lol1 lol1 lol1
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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Jun 09, 2017 8:14 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:.......
    Or time to get rid of some embarassing evidence. Suspect

    It's fair to let them clean up after themselves.

    Hopefully this latest development will finally throw cold water on the whole Southern Jihad Funland project.

    Maybe now USA will hop back across the border into Jordan and SAA can finally focus on DeZ.
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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Jun 09, 2017 8:20 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:

    Maybe now USA will hop back across the border into Jordan and SAA can finally focus on DeZ.

    Mind you the rate of progress of this strike to the border was pretty good. Now if it was possible to go east using the same methods!!!

    EDIT: it seems like it was just a convoy of around 10 technicals that made the trip and there is a claim that Russia told the US in advance.


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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Jun 09, 2017 8:23 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:

    Idrees Ali‏Verified account @idreesali114  3m3 minutes ago
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    Pentagon says Russia "very helpful" in easing tensions near At Tanf. Haven't heard that much praise from this building for Kremlin in Syria.

    lol1  lol1  lol1

    OMG, they did not say that hahahahahahaha. lol1 Very Happy Razz
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    Post  Vann7 on Fri Jun 09, 2017 8:57 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    par far wrote:
    calm wrote:Looks like Americans got fucked north-east of Tanf

    Thread
    https://twitter.com/EjmAlrai/status/873191315776974848


    Good news but where is this on the map?
    Think this might be it.

    Syrian War: News #13 - Page 20 DB46bOZXgAARr-F


    Syrian War: News #13 - Page 20 DB48pwAXgAEoJjN

    Not sure but perhaps the latest US attack on SAA was an attempt to head this off.



    IRAQ is the key , is the major card Syria can have for defeating ISIS. Russia and IRAN
    needs to help in both sides of the border between Syria with IRAQ .Because combined
    those forces can effectively block ISIS from escaping.  And if the US coalition bomb Iraq army
    it risk losing its military bases in IRAQ and being kicked from there. not mentioning being bombed too directly on their military bases. And the american people will not support ever
    a new war against IRAQ , in no way, to remove the government. So IRAQ is the key for helping Syria retake most of its territory. When it comes to kurds , they are not religious extremist ,
    so i think Assad needs to negotiate with them for territory as long they do not allow NATO
    to deploy military bases on any part of it. and allow Syria to have control of its borders. So kurds should get a strong autonomy ,where they control everything in the region they live but
    Syria will need to monitor its borders. To see what enters in the country or not.

    If 5,000 to 10,000 of strong IRAQ army enters in Syria organized and dispersed ,just in case
    they bombed by "Accident" by NATO , then they will serve as a shield to NATO airforce .because they cannot say they don't trust in IRAQ army . it will be ridiculous ,since they cooperate with them in its main land. So the Syrian army needs a shield of another nation army in the Syrian desert. From a NATION that NATO needs to have as allies. So IRAQ is one.
    another could be a NATO army. lets say Greece . So it will be very hard for the Pentagon to justify the bombing of greek soldiers etc. Italy , Spain , etc. it could be a few thousands soldiers from the Egyptian army. Ideally it will be former American soldiers ,veterans from the war on IRAQ , fighting on the side of the Syrian army with the American flag.. That will be HUGE STORY and TRump will be unable to justify bombing American/British veterans volunteers fighting in the Side of Syria closing the border of IRAQ.

    In the south of Syria , Russia could use a couple of thousand of volunteers from India military.
    Combined with a dozen volunteers from American and British and French veterans. from IRAQ war. just a few dozens will be enough. This will be good enough for world media to draw attention . and divide Israel society about their government support of ISIS.
    To block Israel from bombing Syria army. India buys a lot of Israel military hardware , so they will be shooting on their own feet if bomb Indian army ,will be the end of India buying Israel
    military technology.

    So this war can be won way more easily ,using Geo Politics 101.    
    Public Opinion is what could end the war in Syria. World attention , needs to be every week draw unto the Syrian conflict and the illegal actions of NATO there and its support for terrorism.  and using Shields.  ISIS use civilian as shields to hold cities.  NATO use Kurds as shields to protect from attack. Russia and Syria needs shields too.  
    Similar to what Turkey did in Qatar ,sends its soldiers to block Americans or Saudis from starting a war against Qatar. Because Turkey knows , Americans needs them ,and can't allow losing Turkey relation. This is what Pentagon is doing in Northern Syria ,using Kurds as a shield to protect their backed FSA terrorist to take RAqqa.  Russia needs to play this games too.  They are extremely effective tactics.

    But again the problem with Syria conflict is that the Evil people are united and organized in the world  , and the good people who wants to end evil do nothing. look to the sides and say ..ohh
    i have my own problems, i can't help , is not my problem.

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    China,India ,totally absent from the Syrian conflict. not even Humanitarian aid they send. what kind of justification for not helping more Russia? India or China could help with helping Russia protect their warships, or help Russia with the cost of the war. India and China could help also with drones if it doesn't want to participate in combat. The Entire world could help RUssia to finish the war.Something as simple as human shields , creating camps of activist in in Syria military bases ,lets say Americans from a peace organization can put a major pressure on United States to end their illegal war.  

    What Russia more needs is to Draw world attention into the wrong doing of US and its coalition
    in Syria.  In American Baseball stadiums deploying giant banners demanding Pentagon end of the illegal war against Syria , public activism needs to happen in such a way , that not major sport event , no major important entertainment event , or hollyday activity happens with
    drawing Public attention of the illegal and criminal war that NATO have in syria. all those things can create a major movement to stop the support of terrorism by NATO. Public pressure works. but it needs to happen first. Because doing nothing ,doesn't works. World problems will continue if people just ignore them. terrorism could be stop tomorrow if there wasn't massive protest world wide to end NATO for its role with ISIS. etc. Geopolitics 101 , using massive public pressure ,combined with Shields and peaceful activism to embarrass the US military and its allies of what they doing in Syria, is what will end the war. This will provoke major defections in the US military ,specially on its pilots in the airforce to stop cooperating in this illegal and criminal aggression to a another nation with their support of Terrorism.


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    Post  KiloGolf on Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:01 pm

    more details:

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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:19 pm

    Mmmm on the map at least the FSA is now cut off from its enemy, ISIS.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:39 pm

    SAA may thank the Russian spearhead force that lead the rapid assault, Russian used boots on the ground for this.

    It would seem Putin was tired of the SAA's incompetence in this area.

    Welp...this affects alot of things, FSA fucked up REALLLLLY BAD.

    Goes without saying they will try and break the containment.
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    Post  lycantrop on Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:57 pm

    what do you guys think, how many roosian boots are in Syria, 5000-10000?
    more is not needed, yet.
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    Post  Vann7 on Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:13 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:SAA may thank the Russian spearhead force that lead the rapid assault, Russian used boots on the ground for this.

    It would seem Putin was tired of the SAA's incompetence in this area.

    Welp...this affects alot of things, FSA fucked up REALLLLLY BAD.

    Goes without saying they will try and break the containment.

    Indeed this is far from the end.. They will now fight to break the containment for sure from North of Syria. What is also evident is that Syria is now extremely over extended and do not have
    an army big enough to recover all Syria and hold positions. If NATO sends a major jihadist force
    of 10,000 backed by a small airforce it will over run all the gains of Syrian army in the desert.

    So this is far from over.. The Syrian army will need a quick with IRAQ army and
    get reinforcement from IRAQ army in Syria , both combined can do a huge difference.
    to finish to clear the SYrian desert.
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    Post  par far on Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:53 pm

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    Wonder if they will go to Deir Ezzor from the border area.
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    Post  KiloGolf on Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:09 pm

    What now?
    Chemical weapons? use of WMD/barrel bombs/photos of dead children?

    Lets do some brainstorming confused
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:11 pm

    Vann

    No they have all the manpower they need.

    The SAA including all combat formations has around 130k men. They should be getting 20k more-ish in the next few months.

    They are now force conscripting their youth. Lowest I have seen is 16 years of age.

    Hez alone has about 40k men in Syria.

    Various other allied groups etc adds another 20k or so thousand.

    The problem is in most cases most of the SAA is useless in a fight.

    In many cases Hez is better than most of the SAA.

    Assad has enough manpower the problem is he isn't using it correctly, in many Cases Iran get's in the way.


    Par-far.

    This would be foolish yes they need to liberate Deir right away (whoever takes Deir wins), however they have to clean out Eastern homs area first they need to close those lines and shorten then lines against ISIS. The areas around Eastern Hama and where the Tiger forces are operating must be closed and captured. Otherwise, the Deir offensive would be failed due to constant flanking. In war the most important part of the battle is not the fighting it's self but the preparation put into it.

    You remember a while ago I said? ISIS is fighting so hard near Maskan because if they win that area they will cave in on ISIS once Eastern homs falls, and the other area (Look at the map Calm posted while it's not super accurate it does give you a rough idea).

    That space will free up around 30k SAA troops (maybe more) once those areas are liberated then they can go for Deir. The problem is Assad is not focusing the main points of his manpower on these areas. Provided ISIS does not Seize Deir, the kurds cannot take it themselves so even if the kurds beat Assad there nothing they can do. The problem is if Raqqa falls before Assad gets to Deir well ISIS will have all the manpower they need to seize it.


    Edit: The quality of the SAA also gets in the way in many occasions a couple of hundred Russians leading some Militants managed to reach the border in less than four hours. This is why unless it's the Desert Hawks of tiger forces it takes ages for the SAA to do a dam thing
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    Post  KiloGolf on Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:29 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Edit: The quality of the SAA also gets in the way in many occasions a couple of hundred Russians leading some Militants managed to reach the border in less than four hours. This is why unless it's the Desert Hawks of tiger forces it takes ages for the SAA to do a dam thing

    That's mostly due to logistics (as anything is in a desert), not combat effectiveness per se.
    SAA and NDF are good enough for stuff near the heartland, towns and cities. The rest is up to specialized groups.

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