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    Post  Guest on Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:29 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Vann

    No they have all the manpower they need.

    The SAA including all combat formations has around 130k men. They should be getting 20k more-ish in the next few months.


    They have nowhere even remotely near 130k.
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    Post  KiloGolf on Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:32 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Vann

    No they have all the manpower they need.

    The SAA including all combat formations has around 130k men. They should be getting 20k more-ish in the next few months.


    They have nowhere even remotely near 130k.

    Agreed. SAA is barely over 50,000 as it is. And NDF counts for very little as I doubt these folks are under uniform 24/7. Possibly less than 20,000.
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    Post  Guest on Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:35 pm

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    par far wrote:Turkey is sending troops to Qatar, I wonder how this will play out? I think reason the US bombed the SAA and Allies, was to keep the attention away from this fiasco.

    https://www.rt.com/news/391460-erdogan-turkey-qatar-deployment/


    Pakistan is planning to send 20,000 soldiers to Qatar

    http://en.trend.az/world/2764577.html

    That is just a rumor at this point.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:35 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Vann

    No they have all the manpower they need.

    The SAA including all combat formations has around 130k men. They should be getting 20k more-ish in the next few months.


    They have nowhere even remotely near 130k.

    Was a typo hit the 1 key by accident, only now just noticed it.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:38 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Edit: The quality of the SAA also gets in the way in many occasions a couple of hundred Russians leading some Militants managed to reach the border in less than four hours. This is why unless it's the Desert Hawks of tiger forces it takes ages for the SAA to do a dam thing

    That's mostly due to logistics (as anything is in a desert), not combat effectiveness per se.
    SAA and NDF are good enough for stuff near the heartland, towns and cities. The rest is up to specialized groups.

    Logistic while a slight problem is no excuse for their shit poor fighting ability. Unless it is their elite groups and unless they have superior numbers the SAA cannot win a fight on even terms and that isn't something you need to be in a military to see.
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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:41 pm

    Not sure of the truth in this, looks like a hare

    Bosno Sinjić‏ @BosnjoBoy 3h3 hours ago
    Replying to @BosnjoBoy

    (24) URGENT: new (4th) round of #USA airstrikes targeting #Syria-n troops near nearly created Zaqf base. 30 cars destroyed #Homs #AlTanf



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    .@CENTCOM spox unaware of 4th strike on pro-Assad forces. Says there has been 'activity' but no additional strikes.


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    Hammurabi's Justice‏ 2h2 hours ago

    A field sources stated about a heavy presence for Coalition Aircrafts above of Tanf & Zegiph, without any details yet about a new airstrike.
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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:49 pm

    Russian MoD map early? 2017 showing (I think, can't read Russian) estimated main ISIS etc locations as opposed to wide sweeps of territory.

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    Post  Guest on Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:50 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Vann

    No they have all the manpower they need.

    The SAA including all combat formations has around 130k men. They should be getting 20k more-ish in the next few months.


    They have nowhere even remotely near 130k.

    Was a typo hit the 1 key by accident, only now just noticed it.

    Ah, figures. Tho they are probably abit higher than 30k atm. Not much but abit.
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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:26 pm

    oreusser‏ @AllyOfTruth 14m14 minutes ago

    New map of #Raqqa city after advances today, capturing Mashlab neighborhood, al-Jazrah and Sabahiyah.
    https://i.imgur.com/GPRRMpw.png

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    Post  Visc on Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:28 pm

    Commander of Russian forces in Syria accuses U.S. of being in cahoots with ISIS

    DAMASCUS, SYRIA (9:30 P.M.) – The US-led coalition and Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) collude with the leaders of the so-called “Islamic State”, Russian RIA Novosti agency reported on Friday citing Colonel General Sergei Surovikin, commander of Russian Armed Forces contingent in Syria.

    “Instead of eliminating terrorists guilty of hundreds and thousands of Syrian civilian deaths, the US-led international coalition alongside with their proxies, Syrian Democratic Forces, collude with IS field commanders, who surrender their positions and sites without resistance and head towards the regions where Syrian government forces actively conduct military operations,” he said.

    Surovikin also added that “it looks like Americans use IS in order to forestall the advances of Syrian government forces under the excuse of fighting international terrorism.”

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    After a few years the Resistance Axis is connected by land again. Good job Iran, Russia, Syria, Iraq and Hezbollah.
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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:47 pm

    Is this SAA gear?

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    Syrian Army reply to the US threats

    Artillery deployed by the Syrian Army to target US/Jordanian backed proxies in East Sweida Countryside


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    Post  Guest on Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:52 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Is this SAA gear?

    M Green‏ @MmaGreen May 30

    Syrian Army reply to the US threats

    Artillery deployed by the Syrian Army to target US/Jordanian backed proxies in East Sweida Countryside


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    Yes. It has been spotted long ago.

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    Its M-46 placed on Mercedes truck chasis. Quite crudely tho. Reminds of first version of Yugoslavian Nora gun-howtizer.
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    Post  KiloGolf on Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:56 pm

    It does seem as if SDF has a very easy ride in Raqqa scratch
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    Post  Visc on Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:08 am

    KiloGolf wrote:It does seem as if SDF has a very easy ride in Raqqa scratch

    Most, if not all, of the areas "liberated" (read stolen, at least for now) by US-proxies such as SDF were simply given to them after ISIS was ordered (by the US/allied intelligence) to redeploy to SAA fronts. This practice became obvious long time ago.
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    Post  JohninMK on Sat Jun 10, 2017 1:25 am

    Visc wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:It does seem as if SDF has a very easy ride in Raqqa scratch

    Most, if not all, of the areas "liberated" (read stolen, at least for now) by US-proxies such as SDF were simply given to them after ISIS was ordered (by the US/allied intelligence) to redeploy to SAA fronts. This practice became obvious long time ago.
    Yup, we even had the Russian Colonel General i/c Syria complaining about it publically today.
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    Post  eehnie on Sat Jun 10, 2017 1:33 am

    Visc wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:It does seem as if SDF has a very easy ride in Raqqa scratch

    Most, if not all, of the areas "liberated" (read stolen, at least for now) by US-proxies such as SDF were simply given to them after ISIS was ordered (by the US/allied intelligence) to redeploy to SAA fronts. This practice became obvious long time ago.

    The Kurds are still almost out of the inhabited areas of the city. The fight is in the begin still.
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    Post  calm on Sat Jun 10, 2017 1:48 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:SAA may thank the Russian spearhead force that lead the rapid assault, Russian used boots on the ground for this.

    No Russians, maybe, just maybe some advisors.
    Syrian from Tartous told me this, forces spearheading this attack are Shias.


    Are you the one firing this on civilians in Raqqa?  No
    I through that only Russia is "bad".

    new video from tonight
    https://twitter.com/SaladinAlDronni/status/873315540869292041
    What's the purpose of using WP anyway in this place?
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    Post  VladimirSahin on Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:01 am

    calm wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:SAA may thank the Russian spearhead force that lead the rapid assault, Russian used boots on the ground for this.

    No Russians, maybe, just maybe some advisors.
    Syrian from Tartous told me this, forces spearheading this attack are Shias.


    Are you the one firing this on civilians in Raqqa?  No
    I through that only Russia is "bad".

    new video from tonight
    https://twitter.com/SaladinAlDronni/status/873315540869292041
    What's the purpose of using WP anyway in this place?

    WP is good against ammunition depots but other than that it's a very inhumane weapon... Russia used it which I wish they didn't and now after the Coalition condemning Russia... They're doing it as well.
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    Post  Vann7 on Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:32 am

    KiloGolf wrote:It does seem as if SDF has a very easy ride in Raqqa scratch

    because the fights are  FAKE !!!!  as hell.   Is a show .  The kurds and ISIS are both controlled
    by US and its coalition. Then Whenever Americans wants to "liberate" a region.. they tell the kurds when how to move , and at the same time tell ISIS to retreat and leave behind the most useless terrorist for more realism.  So instead of a fight .what really happens is a transfer of land, with a shake of hands because US and ISIS.. and then they order them to relocate to
    another position close to Syrian army.  So ISIS fight to death the Syrian army.. but when it comes to Kurds ,they shows not much interest to fight and retreat..   Is 100% a fraud. a Circus.
    The bombing that you see is usually empty buildings ,because they tell ISIS to retreat first.

    This is not conspiration teories, this was told by Russia spokewomen  Maria Zakharova.
    In a Program in Russia , in tv , that they have intercepted Americans communications with
    ISIS ,where they warn them about bombing a place ,before they do it ,so they don't harmed.

    Many of this "ISIS soldiers" could be jihadist or American/NATO special forces in reality.
    but the fights are 100% fake.. But they make it to look real .. because they sacrifice a few useless fighters , and they release videos of their military bombing things.. but is all staged.
    The only times US coalition bomb terrorist is when they start to Not listen and fight Kurds for real. SO ISIS are NATO proxy boots in the ground. is just the way it is.

    Many times in those "liberations" the terrorist just change the flag and thats it. no defeat at all.
    but just they given a new flag and claim "Isis defeated" . This is why Americans cannot do an alliance with Russia to fight ISIS ..because Russia will do it for real . and Americans will have a hardtime explaining why don't bomb ISIS when Russian cameras monitoring their actions.

    In this games Kurds does not need to know they ,US and ISIS are in same side.. most of them have to be fooled into thinking they fighting ISIS so well ,that ISIS forced to run always.
    but is staged. 100%

    US Coalition in reality ,their role is to torpedo Syria and Russia fights against US and coalition backed terrorist. They provide intelligence of Syrian army positions ,their weak spots , bomb Syrian army when advancing too much ,but also warn Terrorist whenever a Russian bomber is flying near them.
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    Post  eehnie on Sat Jun 10, 2017 5:41 am

    Militarov wrote:Syrian War: News #13 - Page 21 Cb-cVLAXIAAUbM1

    Its M-46 placed on Mercedes truck chasis. Quite crudely tho. Reminds of first version of Yugoslavian Nora gun-howtizer.

    Logical applications of veteran warfare that must be used.

    It is likey that Syria tries to keep its mosts modern warfare (in concept), basically because Syria will have low numbers of units of these weapons to replace the loses in the war, and because they need these weapons in order to face their most difficult adversaries.

    In the refered to the land warfare they have to keep safer:

    SA-22
    SS-C-5
    SS-26
    T-90
    TOS-1
    BM-30
    BMP-3 (?)
    SA-19 2S6
    SA-11/17
    SA-10/12/20/23
    2S1
    SA-8
    SA-6
    BM-27
    2S3
    T-72
    SS-C-1
    SS-21
    SS-C-3
    2S4
    SS-1 Scud
    ZSU-23-4

    In the refered to the air warfare:

    MiG-29
    Su-24
    Su-17/20/22
    MiG-25 (if present still)
    MiG-23


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    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Jun 10, 2017 5:49 am

    Militarov wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Vann

    No they have all the manpower they need.

    The SAA including all combat formations has around 130k men. They should be getting 20k more-ish in the next few months.


    They have nowhere even remotely near 130k.

    Was a typo hit the 1 key by accident, only now just noticed it.

    Ah, figures. Tho they are probably abit higher than 30k atm. Not much but abit.

    No way. The areas held by Assad have population in the millions. They can and probably have more soldiers than you guys are claiming. Hell, Novorussian forces have more soldiers than that and their population overall is much smaller.
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    Post  ATLASCUB on Sat Jun 10, 2017 8:37 am

    [quote="Vann7"][quote="JohninMK"][quote="par far"]
    calm wrote:When it comes to kurds , they are not religious extremist ,
    so i think Assad needs to negotiate with them for territory as long they do not allow NATO
    to deploy military bases on any part of it.
    and allow Syria to have control of its borders. So kurds should get a strong autonomy ,where they control everything in the region they live but
    Syria will need to monitor its borders. To see what enters in the country or not.

    Does not compute. The Kurds will install a U.S military base as soon as they sign the papers. They'll lick the U.S butt clean in order to guarantee their safety and survival - no amount of "deals" and "pleasantries" suffice in that region period. The americans are already there lmao....

    The fact that we're talking about the Kurds getting "autonomy" is not the result of the Kurds but the American's behind them making sure SAA/Russia nor Turkey can steamroll them and make them squeal into a deal where: #1: they do not get statehood. #2: they do not get any sort of wild-dream autonomy short of statehood. They're Syrians period - not an alien race.

    If the Kurds get statehood/semi-autonomy, they will not forget who gave that to them - and that's the Americans. Israel 2.0 in the making. Not being religious extremist =/= not being a foe/enemy/killer. The fact that you're asking for partition of territory and independence says enough about how the Kurd leadership (which "act" as representatives of Kurds in nothern syria - big distinction) view Syrian leadership in damascus. Syria was one of the most secular countries at the heart of M.E - relatively speaking. As soon as shit hits the fan some want thrones with castles and plenty of land for themselves. Reminds me of Chechnya following the fall of the USSR for example. Shit is pathetic. A good lesson for the Turks....a strong hand needed otherwise lose land when shit hits the fan.

    The way I see it; Americans have been very successful in Syria, just not on all objectives. Dream scenario they didn't get but they can settle on #1: destroying Syria #2: Delaying/preventing geopolitical Iranian led axis from "domino'ing" the region in peace, #3: Slicing Syria and getting a proxy semi-state with the Kurds - which is obviously one of their present goals....

    We'll see how successful they're once the Kurds issue gets settled once and for all.

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    Dez should be fun. Raqqa has been a bore.
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    Post  eehnie on Sat Jun 10, 2017 9:32 am

    Reading here lots of absurd things about the Kurds.

    And many propaganda.
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    Post  Vann7 on Sat Jun 10, 2017 10:38 am

    ATLASCUB wrote:
    The way I see it; Americans have been very successful in Syria, just not on all objectives. Dream scenario they didn't get but they can settle on #1: destroying Syria #2: Delaying/preventing geopolitical Iranian led axis from "domino'ing" the region in peace, #3: Slicing Syria and getting a proxy semi-state with the Kurds - which is obviously one of their present goals....

    We'll see how successful they're once the Kurds issue gets settled once and for all.

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    The ultimate goal ,in Syria is not Assad or Syria and not even IRAN. But Putin and Russia.

    The Americans major goals.
    1)Over Run Syria   To create a pipeline to Europe from Qatar
     passing through Syria to bypass Gazprom. In other words. it was  
    to sabotage Russia energy business with Europe. and weaken Russia more.
    or said in other words Sabotage of Russia economy.
    2)Grind Russia army in Syria as CIA did in Afganistan. create a trap
    were Russia sends a big army and they lose thousands of soldiers
    with Americans providing Stinger missiles to the terrorist and javelines to
    destroy T-90. After 3-5 years of loses , thousands soldiers killed and Russia
    spending a fortune in Syria to defend them , this is an addition to sanctions and oil prices war.
    Will had destroy Putin popularity , with major cities unrest and major economy problems ,
    making it easier for Americans to provoke major protest ,to end the war and Putin to resign.
    this will only make things easier for NATO to provoke a civil war after thousands soldiers killed and economy bad. not only for Syria but Ukraine too.
    3)Provoke a war between Turkey and Russia  ,a full scale one. This could cause Russia
    military base over run by Turkey and Russian soldiers killed and arrested and S-400 also taken
    or worse a warship destroyed. Russia will have beaten Turkey but not before losing thousands of more soldiers and Russia image and economy destroyed.
    4)And once Syria over Run by ISIS, over Run IRAQ too ,take the oil fields and Gas , to finance
    an ISIS army of millions and later send them to fight Russia through Ukraine borders. Losing Syria for Russia will have been a major morale booster for terrorist all over the world . and allowed ISIS to get a million man army ,trained by NATO and to fight Russia on its borders.
    5)Bonuses could have been hezbolah and then Invade IRAN ,once Russia weakened and retreat from Syria after too much losses and being unable to continue financing the war.

    So the Syrian war is nothing more than a NATO proxy war against Russia , nothing more and nothing else. and Turkey and ISrael with their own goals too , Turkey steal land ,and Israel take down hezbolah and block IRAN from entering Syria by blocking Turkey border. The War with IRAN is all about taking its oil fields and NATO access to caspian sea to threaten Russia nation security.

    So from the point of view of Russia ,they won and American lost ,if things continue in the same way and nothing new dramatically happens ,like a NATO invasion or ISrael -Jordan invasion or another Turkey backstab.  

    From point of view of Syria ,it was a partial victory and partial lost. if things remain more or less the same. they did not recover all its territory but still avoided being over run. and have a chance in future to recover all with a coup on Erdogan etc.

    And the pipeline Americans wanted ,could be done now with IRAN and Qatar and Syria in the project. So it will benefit also Russia. So if for Americans Russia was the real goal.. then it was a total failure. Because putin was wise enough to only send a reduced force and do cease of fires. and reconcilation etc. and allowing those deescalation zones to be used to focus on ISIS.

    From the point of view of Israel.. lol   They won nothing. Hezbolah and IRAN more combat ready than ever. and now with a major full understanding of modern warfare of Russia. Now IRAN with attack drones and with an invaluable experience in Syria in modern combat.and Russia will provide decent military hardware to IRAN ,so it can fight like Russia did in Syria.

    From the point of view of Americans is a major short term failure ,but not a total defeat ,because they have kurds and managed to partition Syria .So they can restart the war in future. and finish the job .So is too early to call them out of the game. Only if Trump
    order an end of the war on Syria , it could be a total defeat. but they still with enough land
    and cards to play to continue the war for another 5-10 years.

    NATO will try to create a new war in the balkans to do the same of Syria ,using muslim terrorist to attack Serbia. and pull Russia to their rescue. or can still incite the war in Ukraine.
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    http://garizo.blogspot.gr/2013/09/blog-post.html

    the man who sent the chemical weapons to the Jihadis in Syria ( all in Greek)
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