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    Post  Dima on Sat Oct 31, 2015 5:01 pm

    Tragic and completely unexpected...
    Hope its not a terrorists attack... and just in case it is, then Russia needs to move in.

    Is there any truth in the earlier post regarding access to the crash site is being denied to the Russian teams?

    Btw, why is it being discussed in the civil aviation thread? This incident/accident needs a separate dedicated thread. Mods, plz do the necessary.
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    Post  Guest on Sat Oct 31, 2015 5:12 pm

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    Well for once something useful coming from Israelis...
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    Post  Werewolf on Sat Oct 31, 2015 5:18 pm

    Because they have no intentions for Syria right?

    Trying to whore themselfs into allowing themselfs to fly over Syrian airspace and do their little terrorist thing they are doing for decades is certainly not something one can forget, unless they are raised in the west where general attention span is lower than the moral code and intelligence.
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    Post  sepheronx on Sat Oct 31, 2015 5:21 pm

    Sad tragedy.  I guess if I ever fly through or in Russia, it will be Aeroflot.  These small companies like Regular pointed out seem to have problems.
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    Post  Guest on Sat Oct 31, 2015 5:26 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Sad tragedy.  I guess if I ever fly through or in Russia, it will be Aeroflot.  These small companies like Regular pointed out seem to have problems.

    My gf is always flying with Aeroflot to and from Moscow, few times with Air Serbia tho but they are reliable, there is even Jat Tehnika, overhaul and maintenance company in Serbia for civilian liners.
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    Post  medo on Sat Oct 31, 2015 6:03 pm

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-31/islamic-state-claims-responsibility-russian-airplane-crash

    If this will be confirmed, that ISIS actually plant a bomb in Russian passenger plane, than we could only assume, what blow will this mean for Egyptian president al Sisy and Egyptian security forces on the airfield. This will be a big blow for Egyptian tourism, which bring a lot of money and jobs to Egyptians. Not only Russians will stop traveling to Egypt and ME, but others could stop traveling too. Al Sisy will have to increase his fight against jihadist terrorists in Egypt.
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    Post  Karl Haushofer on Sat Oct 31, 2015 6:09 pm

    Countries like Turkey and Egypt have been death traps for Russian tourists. Better for Russians to travel to Crimea and Sochi instead of these countries.
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Sat Oct 31, 2015 6:33 pm

    Werewolf wrote:Because they have no intentions for Syria right?

    Trying to whore themselfs into allowing themselfs to fly over Syrian airspace and do their little terrorist thing they are doing for decades is certainly not something one can forget, unless they are raised in the west where general attention span is lower than the moral code and intelligence.
    What danger does Assad pose for Israel? There was no war between two since 1980s and no war between Israel and Hezhollah since 2006.

    You're fooling yourself thinking that Assad's anti-Israeli stance is anything more than rhetorics. He can do nothing against Israel even fi he wanted to.

    (In Iran there's an ultra-orthodox faction of clerics who think destruction of Israel is necessary to facilitate the return of their Hidden Imam - they are not currently in power)
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    Post  George1 on Sat Oct 31, 2015 6:36 pm

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    Post  Werewolf on Sat Oct 31, 2015 6:39 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:Because they have no intentions for Syria right?

    Trying to whore themselfs into allowing themselfs to fly over Syrian airspace and do their little terrorist thing they are doing for decades is certainly not something one can forget, unless they are raised in the west where general attention span is lower than the moral code and intelligence.
    What danger does Assad pose for Israel? There was no war between two since 1980s and no war between Israel and Hezhollah since 2006.

    You're fooling yourself thinking that Assad's anti-Israeli stance is anything more than rhetorics. He can do nothing against Israel even fi he wanted to.

    (In Iran there's an ultra-orthodox faction of clerics who think destruction of Israel is necessary to facilitate the return of their Hidden Imam - they are not currently in power)

    Syria being hostile to Israel?

    The other way around you judeophilie imbecile. There was never any suggestion from Iranian side to attack or destruct israel, but we have hundreds over hundreds of mad jews declaring to bomb Syria,Iran and whatever country, which subs like you always ignore but never can speak about it because you drive the jew shit bullshit propaganda all along.
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Sat Oct 31, 2015 6:58 pm

    Werewolf wrote: judeophilie
    Hihihi... Laughing No my dear. Liking Jews and liking some of their ideas about themselves are two totally different things altogether.

    End of topic.
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    Post  JohninMK on Sat Oct 31, 2015 7:32 pm

    CAIRO (Sputnik) – The pilot of the Russian airliner that crashed in the Sinai Peninsula did not request assistance from the air traffic control at Sharm El-Sheikh airport before the incident, Egyptian Minister of Civil Aviation Hossam Kamal said Saturday.

    Egyptian sources were quoted as saying earlier the Airbus-321 flight 9268 pilot requested help from air traffic controllers due to technical difficulties. The airliner with 224 people on board disappeared from radars 23 minutes after takeoff en route to St. Petersburg.

    “The air traffic controllers’ communication with the Russian airplane was carried out normally until the disaster,” Kamal said at a press conference.

    The minister added that the Russian pilot did not ask for help before “the aircraft disappeared from the radar suddenly.”

    A Kogalymavia spokeswoman said earlier the pilot had 12,000 hours of flying experience and the plane had been fully serviced.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/world/20151031/1029403587/egypt-airliner-crash-no-request.html#ixzz3qAi7muWa
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    Post  Regular on Sat Oct 31, 2015 7:44 pm

    Yes guys, try to use Aeroflot. It's 3*, safe and reliable. I personally had no problem with them. And my mother flies with them very often and according to her it has best service in Russia.
    So I was watching Russian tv and it seems that airline building was raided. And there are talks about banning older than 15 year old planes from operating. Damn.
    Very sad, for catholics today is day to remember and honor all deceased, my family will be lighting candles for victims as well.
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    Post  Khepesh on Sat Oct 31, 2015 9:34 pm

    I'm going to speculate and put forward reasons why this may have been a bomb. That the early reports of the pilot saying he had a technical problem and wanted to divert were all wrong, and generated from Egyptian sources. I do not say the early reports were deliberatley wrong, but it is in Egypt's benefit that it was a technical fault and not a bomb, so the early "mood music", which often sets the scene and is all many people ever bother with, is important. Egypt cannot let this be a bomb as it will make the tourist recovery even more difficult, and the industry has never fully recovered from the 1997 Luxor massacre due to periodic terrorist attacks over the years in Cairo, middle Egypt and of course major attack in Sharm el-Sheikh in 2005. This shows of course that there are terrorists who want to hurt Egypt. If it was a bomb then it will also hurt Egypt more if the aircraft comes down on Egyptian soil and not over the Med or any other area on the route to Peter. That Russia is now engaged in Syria must be seen as a possible cause for this being a terrorist attack, and of course more than ISIL will want to hurt Russia. So on one side there is sudden technical faliure, which is very rare to happen so quickly that pilots cannot send SOS, and on the other all the reasons I put forward for it being terrorism. To me the balance, without yet any forensic details known, tilts more to terrorism than accident. We should know by tomorrow morning I think.

    On another matter, not all independant Russian airlines are "cowboy" operations. Orenair is an excellent airline, tho it is now Aeroflot owned for a couple of years.
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    Post  medo on Sat Oct 31, 2015 9:49 pm

    If bomb attack on the plane will be proved as real, than it is only a question of time, when RuAF will bomb ISIS capital Mosul. Egypt will be also pressed to start a major military operation in Sinai to destroy terrorists there and to increase control on the border with Libya. I think some European airliners already stop flying over Sinai until all this become clear.
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    Post  OminousSpudd on Sat Oct 31, 2015 9:58 pm

    Condolences... Mad

    Also same preliminary summary as MH370. So much bullshit with airlines lately.

    If it was Wahabbi inbreds who engineered this I hope they are hunted down. If it's an accident (which I am so skeptical of in this day and age) then nothing but thoughts and prayers for the families involved, and a quick and smooth investigation.
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    Post  whir on Sat Oct 31, 2015 10:06 pm

    Khepesh wrote:To me the balance, without yet any forensic details known, tilts more to terrorism than accident.
    Most direct flights from touristic destinations to major cities are chartered by tour operators and that means booking a holiday package, going onboard is not as easy as buying a ticket at the airport.
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    Post  Guest on Sat Oct 31, 2015 10:13 pm

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    "Egypt has found and obtained both black boxes from a Russian passenger plane that crashed in the country's Sinai peninsula on Saturday, the civil aviation minister told a news conference. There are normally two black boxes on an aircraft, one for cockpit voice recordings and one for flight data. Egyptian authorities had earlier said they only found one."

    Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/31/us-egypt-crash-blackbox-idUSKCN0SP13R20151031
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    Post  Guest on Sat Oct 31, 2015 10:21 pm

    Egyptian security forces & government officials at the crash site of flight 7K9268:

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    Post  Werewolf on Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:14 pm

    So what about the black boxes?

    Will they be given to russia without hesitation or will they try to be the authority for it and "investigate" it on their own and will play rhetoric games that russia has no buisness of looking at blackboxes? That will be the catchy thing that will set down to whom some should be sceptical about.
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    Post  Guest on Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:30 pm

    Werewolf wrote:So what about the black boxes?

    Will they be given to russia without hesitation or will they try to be the authority for it and "investigate" it on their own and will play rhetoric games that russia has no buisness of looking at blackboxes? That will be the catchy thing that will set down to whom some should be sceptical about.

    Well seems some guys from Airbus are coming to Egypt to work with black boxes.
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:32 pm

    Condolences
    Very sad tragedy Sad
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    Post  Werewolf on Sun Nov 01, 2015 12:46 am

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:
    Werewolf wrote: judeophilie
    Hihihi... Laughing No my dear. Liking Jews and liking some of their ideas about themselves are two totally different things altogether.

    End of topic.

    Yes, like your disgusting filled PM's to me with your disgusting supremacy talks and using jewish like law for germans,fight for supremacy... disgusting.
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