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    "Black box" being retrieved.
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    "The BEA Safety Investigators team, alongside two German Federal Bureau of Aircraft Accident Investigation (BFU) safety investigators, will join four Russian Interstate Aviation Committee investigators on the ground of the site of the Russian airliner crash in Egypt. "A first team, consisting of two BEA Safety Investigators, accompanied by six technical advisers from Airbus, will leave for Egypt Sunday, November 1," BEA said in a statement. It added that the team, alongside two German Federal Bureau of Aircraft Accident Investigation (BFU) safety investigators, will join four Russian Interstate Aviation Committee investigators on the ground. Russian and Egyptian officials confirmed there were no survivors aboard the Airbus-321 flight 9268 en route from the resort city of Sharm El-Sheikh to St. Petersburg that crashed on the Sinai Peninsula on Saturday. Egyptian Prime Minister Sheri Ismail said at a press briefing in Cairo investigators began reading the flight data recorder recovered at the crash site."

    Source: http://sputniknews.com/world/20151031/1029404651/bea-experts-air-crash-ivestigation.html#ixzz3qC3AJguF
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sun Nov 01, 2015 1:35 am

    Condolences.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun Nov 01, 2015 1:58 am

    I really don't think there was any terrorism involved, and most likely it was just malfunctions that caused the plane crash.
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    Post  kvs on Sun Nov 01, 2015 2:31 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:I really don't think there was any terrorism involved, and most likely it was just malfunctions that caused the plane crash.

    ISIS would have to have planted a bomb on board before takeoff. This is what Sikh terrorists did to the Air India flight from Canada in 1985.
    The Sinai would be the last place to look for terrorists in this case. I don't think it is totally excluded that a bomb could have been planted via
    the luggage if the airport where the plane was loaded is compromised.
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    Over 80 Russia emergency ministry personnel land in Egypt early Sunday.
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    Post  sepheronx on Sun Nov 01, 2015 3:53 am

    Regular wrote:Yes guys, try to use Aeroflot. It's 3*, safe and reliable. I personally had no problem with them. And my mother flies with them very often and according to her it has best service in Russia.
    So I was watching Russian tv and it seems that airline building was raided. And there are talks about banning older than 15 year old planes from operating. Damn.
    Very sad, for catholics today is day to remember and honor all deceased, my family will be lighting candles for victims as well.

    I was thinking on what ways to drastically improve the other flight companies reliability and airplane airworthiness.  And I figured why not the government set up a company or give license to a company or two that deals specifically with aircraft maintenance and inspections for the civil airliners?  All the companies would have to obtain a license and contract agreement with the said companies and the companies have to set up office and operations at various airports throughout the country.  So that the airliners cannot cheap out on repairs and inspections and if any fault ever occurs, it is through these maintenance companies.
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    Post  BKP on Sun Nov 01, 2015 4:18 am

    kvs wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:I really don't think there was any terrorism involved, and most likely it was just malfunctions that caused the plane crash.

    ISIS would have to have planted a bomb on board before takeoff.   This is what Sikh terrorists did to the Air India flight from Canada in 1985.  
    The Sinai would be the last place to look for terrorists in this case.   I don't think it is totally excluded that a bomb could have been planted via
    the luggage if the airport where the plane was loaded is compromised.

    Hmm, in just the last the 15 years the US has been behind all manner of nefarious shenanigans in the ME without suffering a single civil aviation disaster on flights to and from countries located there. At least none that I can recall, but correct me if I'm wrong. But now, just a month into its first substantial military operation outside of its own borders in decades, Russia suffers this?

    No, it's probably just more evidence of the ongoing crummy state of Russian civil aviation. And, if it turns out that there was a bomb planted on board, then why wasn't security better at this time for obvious reasons? Either way, its down to negligence and incompetence. The Russian government must, at long last, do something to get this situation in hand.
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    Post  Khepesh on Sun Nov 01, 2015 9:37 am

    That the Egyptians have extended the search area for bodies to a radius of 8 km from the crash site shows that the aircraft broke up before hitting the ground. Generally there are only two reasons why an aircraft will break up before hitting the ground. Either the fall was so fast that it was beyond the airframe capabilities and the wings ripped off etc, or explosion. Terrorists, and governments, can be so devious that a way of planting a bomb could have been devised that circumvents current security measures. He was an odd fellow, but Rumsfeld's "unknown unknowns" etc quote was very good and should not be forgotten. http://ria.ru/world/20151101/1311727342.html

    I'm not categorically saying it was a bomb, but too me the balance still weighs on that side until evidence shows it to be an accident. On the networks this morning there is a lot of comments that it was not a bomb because the wreckage/victims are all in one place and if it was a bomb then wreckage and victims spread apart. The news that the search area is to be expanded is fresh, at the time I post this, and alters those arguments against a bomb.
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    Post  Dima on Sun Nov 01, 2015 10:15 am

    Do not want to change track, but whats your opinion on this video which claims to be an attack by the IS, has anyone see this same video before being credited to any other attack?

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    Post  Werewolf on Sun Nov 01, 2015 10:59 am

    Dima wrote:Do not want to change track, but whats your opinion on this video which claims to be an attack by the IS, has anyone see this same video before being credited to any other attack?


    To be honest that smoke trail looks like from a video game. I think i have seen that before and that flimsy footage and quality of picture in a century where little spoiled brats run around with smartphones suggest to me that this is a rather crime to bring such footage and claim it to be evidence.
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    Post  sepheronx on Sun Nov 01, 2015 3:09 pm

    http://tass.ru/en/society/833256

    Black boxes found with some damage but no thermal damage.

    http://tass.ru/en/society/833256

    Search for bodies soon to be completed.
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    Post  kvs on Sun Nov 01, 2015 4:31 pm

    BKP wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:I really don't think there was any terrorism involved, and most likely it was just malfunctions that caused the plane crash.

    ISIS would have to have planted a bomb on board before takeoff.   This is what Sikh terrorists did to the Air India flight from Canada in 1985.  
    The Sinai would be the last place to look for terrorists in this case.   I don't think it is totally excluded that a bomb could have been planted via
    the luggage if the airport where the plane was loaded is compromised.

    Hmm, in just the last the 15 years the US has been behind all manner of nefarious shenanigans in the ME without suffering a single civil aviation disaster on flights to and from countries located there. At least none that I can recall, but correct me if I'm wrong. But now, just a month into its first substantial military operation outside of its own borders in decades, Russia suffers this?

    No, it's probably just more evidence of the ongoing crummy state of Russian civil aviation. And, if it turns out that there was a bomb planted on board, then why wasn't security better at this time for obvious reasons? Either way, its down to negligence and incompetence. The Russian government must, at long last, do something to get this situation in hand.

    Airport baggage security is controlled by airports outside Russia during international flights. You can't blame Russia for this.
    I have to correct my assessment, the plane did take off from an airport in the Sinai itself and so it could have been compromised there.

    Now there is evidence that the plane broke up in mid air. This is now pointing to a bomb on board.
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    Post  BKP on Sun Nov 01, 2015 5:29 pm

    kvs wrote:
    BKP wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:I really don't think there was any terrorism involved, and most likely it was just malfunctions that caused the plane crash.

    ISIS would have to have planted a bomb on board before takeoff.   This is what Sikh terrorists did to the Air India flight from Canada in 1985.  
    The Sinai would be the last place to look for terrorists in this case.   I don't think it is totally excluded that a bomb could have been planted via
    the luggage if the airport where the plane was loaded is compromised.

    Hmm, in just the last the 15 years the US has been behind all manner of nefarious shenanigans in the ME without suffering a single civil aviation disaster on flights to and from countries located there. At least none that I can recall, but correct me if I'm wrong. But now, just a month into its first substantial military operation outside of its own borders in decades, Russia suffers this?

    No, it's probably just more evidence of the ongoing crummy state of Russian civil aviation. And, if it turns out that there was a bomb planted on board, then why wasn't security better at this time for obvious reasons? Either way, its down to negligence and incompetence. The Russian government must, at long last, do something to get this situation in hand.

    Airport baggage security is controlled by airports outside Russia during international flights.   You can't blame Russia for this.
    I have to correct my assessment, the plane did take off from an airport in the Sinai itself and so it could have been compromised there.

    Now there is evidence that the plane broke up in mid air.   This is now pointing to a bomb on board.

    Russia can't be blamed? Why haven't the US and its "coalition of the willing" partners had similar things happen to them with all of the shit they have pulled in the ME over the years? Russia must embed its own trusted security personnel within the Russian airlines operating at foreign airports. If it can't do this for some reason, then they must cease operating from those places. Russia has enemies who have no moral issue with arranging for the deaths of civilians in order to achieve some end, and yes that does include the US government itself.
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    Few more shots from Egypt regarding whole body extraction, journalist travels and convoys organised towards crash site for military, specialists, medical workers and journalists.

    My source is: https://twitter.com/Kosarev_RT
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    Post  Werewolf on Sun Nov 01, 2015 5:53 pm

    BKP wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    BKP wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:I really don't think there was any terrorism involved, and most likely it was just malfunctions that caused the plane crash.

    ISIS would have to have planted a bomb on board before takeoff.   This is what Sikh terrorists did to the Air India flight from Canada in 1985.  
    The Sinai would be the last place to look for terrorists in this case.   I don't think it is totally excluded that a bomb could have been planted via
    the luggage if the airport where the plane was loaded is compromised.

    Hmm, in just the last the 15 years the US has been behind all manner of nefarious shenanigans in the ME without suffering a single civil aviation disaster on flights to and from countries located there. At least none that I can recall, but correct me if I'm wrong. But now, just a month into its first substantial military operation outside of its own borders in decades, Russia suffers this?

    No, it's probably just more evidence of the ongoing crummy state of Russian civil aviation. And, if it turns out that there was a bomb planted on board, then why wasn't security better at this time for obvious reasons? Either way, its down to negligence and incompetence. The Russian government must, at long last, do something to get this situation in hand.

    Airport baggage security is controlled by airports outside Russia during international flights.   You can't blame Russia for this.
    I have to correct my assessment, the plane did take off from an airport in the Sinai itself and so it could have been compromised there.

    Now there is evidence that the plane broke up in mid air.   This is now pointing to a bomb on board.

    Russia can't be blamed? Why haven't the US and its "coalition of the willing" partners had similar things happen to them with all of the shit they have pulled in the ME over the years? Russia must embed its own trusted security personnel within the Russian airlines operating at foreign airports. If it can't do this for some reason, then they must cease operating from those places. Russia has enemies who have no moral issue with arranging for the deaths of civilians in order to achieve some end, and yes that does include the US government itself.

    Because such thing is a political act and the terrorists belong to USrael not to Russia.
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    Post  Khepesh on Sun Nov 01, 2015 9:00 pm

    Overhead view of the wreckage. It is clear from this that all of the fuselage to the rear of the wings had broken away in flight. I'm certainly no expert on aircraft, but it seems to me that this is very unusual. I know of accidents were an aircraft crashed because the tail ripped off due to rear bulkhead failure, or the control surfaces on the tail suddenly and catastrophically failed and caused the aircraft to drop out of the sky, but that is very rare and I believe confined to older type aircraft with a tail configured like Tu-154 or DC-10. It is of course possible that a technical failure never thought possible with an Airbus has occured, but this breakup pattern looks unusual. What can possibly occur to break an aircraft in two just behind the wings like this...
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    Post  Guest on Sun Nov 01, 2015 9:14 pm

    Khepesh wrote:Overhead view of the wreckage. It is clear from this that all of the fuselage to the rear of the wings had broken away in flight. I'm certainly no expert on aircraft, but it seems to me that this is very unusual. I know of accidents were an aircraft crashed because the tail ripped off due to rear bulkhead failure, or the control surfaces on the tail suddenly and catastrophically failed and caused the aircraft to drop out of the sky, but that is very rare and I believe confined to older type aircraft with a tail configured like Tu-154 or DC-10. It is of course possible that a technical failure never thought possible with an Airbus has occured, but this breakup pattern looks unusual. What can possibly occur to break an aircraft in two just behind the wings like this...

    Notice engines position, quite far away from main wreckage and burnt down.
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    Satelite shots of the impact area.

    Source: https://russian.rt.com/article/127232
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    Post  sepheronx on Sun Nov 01, 2015 9:25 pm

    If it was a terrorist attack, then Russia would have to try and close flights to Egypt or middle east, and bomb the hell out of the terrorists even more in Syria. Maybe provide assistance to Egypt in Sinai region.
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    Post  Firebird on Sun Nov 01, 2015 11:24 pm

    Apparently, this article predates the disaster.

    BTW, I don't tend to believe in "coincidences"...

    http://fortruss.blogspot.de/2015/10/ukrainian-wikileaks-mccain-and.html

    Read the article, it says the plan was to have both US AND Russian jets shot down to pit the US vs Russia in the M East.

    Because Russia has been politically so successful with ME govts and potentially creating "anti access zones" there vs the US, there has been talk about drawing Russia into a "2nd Afghanistan" style conflict.

    I wonder if America (or rather, certain American figures) are hell bend on drawing Russia into deep mayhem.
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    Post  sepheronx on Sun Nov 01, 2015 11:51 pm

    You people make me laugh. How would a plane blowing up in Egypt cause a second Afghanistan in Syria? Do any of you who post such nonsense realise where Egypt is? And where Syria is? As well, what, will this force Russia to invade Egypt? Will this all of a sudden increase terrorists in Syria? Or all will it do is increase bombing terrorists from the skies in Syria and provide assistance to Egypt to help fight the terrorists in Sinai?

    If I was planning a flase flag, it would be in Syria, not Egypt. Makes no logical sense.
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    Post  Guest on Sun Nov 01, 2015 11:57 pm

    sepheronx wrote:You people make me laugh. How would a plane blowing up in Egypt cause a second Afghanistan in Syria? Do any of you who post such nonsense realise where Egypt is? And where Syria is? As well, what, will this force Russia to invade Egypt? Will this all of a sudden increase terrorists in Syria? Or all will it do is increase bombing terrorists from the skies in Syria and provide assistance to Egypt to help fight the terrorists in Sinai?

    If I was planning a flase flag, it would be in Syria, not Egypt.  Makes no logical sense.

    Well, maybe, just maybe on longshot it would cause retaliation from Russians in terms of land operations in Syria to deal with ISIS threat. But still i dont find whole conspiracy theory very plausible, maybe, you never know but still not very likely. And land operation in Syria would be probably long, expencive in both manpower and funds and it would remind of Afganistan....i guess that would be the idea.


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    Post  Firebird on Mon Nov 02, 2015 12:00 am

    sepheronx wrote:You people make me laugh. How would a plane blowing up in Egypt cause a second Afghanistan in Syria? Do any of you who post such nonsense realise where Egypt is? And where Syria is? As well, what, will this force Russia to invade Egypt? Will this all of a sudden increase terrorists in Syria? Or all will it do is increase bombing terrorists from the skies in Syria and provide assistance to Egypt to help fight the terrorists in Sinai?

    If I was planning a flase flag, it would be in Syria, not Egypt.  Makes no logical sense.

    Turn it down will you...

    "Afghanistan" means "a quagmire" ie drawing Russia into a long, costly, morale and money sapping campaign. It DOESN'T refer to Afghanistan or any place in particular. Its like calling a military campaign for America a "new Vietnam".

    MOST of the Middle East is infected with ISIS. Much of it has US backed maniacs.
    The loss of 200 innocent Russians is a way of potentially pushing Russia further into a conflict in the M East. More so, that whatever is happening in Arab v Arab events.

    So your attempt to differentiate Egypt/Syria or wherever makes no sense.

    Back to the other pt, its one hell of a coincidence that there was an article re Russian and US jets being knocked out of the sky just a day or two before.

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