Syrian War: News #12

So Russians are saying they were not informed. This will definitely mean Russia will have to respond.

BKP wrote:

Vann7 wrote:This also explain why trump was being cozy with CHina today ,he was seeking to keep them out of Syria and leave Russia alone. interesting times. Trump turned to be a real traitor to the american people who voted for him.

I wonder how Alex Jones is taking this.

Alex Jones have been truly historic today.. even before the attack.
speech like never he have done before.. a mus see.

Alex Jones: 'Russia Is the Only Country That Hasn't Fallen to Globalists

http://russia-insider.com/en/alex-jones-predicts-future-russia-will-be-awesome-people-will-flock-new-america/ri19469

miketheterrible wrote:So Russians are saying they were not informed. This will definitely mean Russia will have to respond.

If thats the case ..Russia should cease any kind of cooperation with Americans over Syria . tell them ,that no longer their planes will be allowed to flight over Syria airspace territory and that have 24 hours to abandon their positions in Syria, that their base will be destroyed.

miketheterrible wrote:So Russians are saying they were not informed. This will definitely mean Russia will have to respond.

Respond how? Russia will not be attacking any US assets and you can take that to the bank. Assad will cop in on the chin too, he wont be downing any US planes anytime soon either. The war looks like it's going to stretch out now as the yanks more involved...

I assume this was also a message for the visiting Chinese re NK and Sth Chine Sea - we do more more than talk type of message???

Its official. The Uh'murikkanz are now an AQ-affiliate.

Vann7 wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:So Russians are saying they were not informed. This will definitely mean Russia will have to respond.

If thats the case ..Russia should cease any kind of cooperation with Americans over Syria . tell them ,that no longer their planes will be allowed to flight over Syria airspace territory and that have 24 hours to abandon their positions in Syria, that their base will be destroyed.

I'd actually say there is a no-fly zone coming for the Syrians...this wont end with a cruise strikes...

crod wrote:

Vann7 wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:So Russians are saying they were not informed. This will definitely mean Russia will have to respond.

If thats the case ..Russia should cease any kind of cooperation with Americans over Syria . tell them ,that no longer their planes will be allowed to flight over Syria airspace territory and that have 24 hours to abandon their positions in Syria, that their base will be destroyed.

I'd actually say there is a no-fly zone coming for the Syrians...this wont end with a cruise strikes...

US can't dictate such terms if Russia decides to fly, then US can't do shit about it. If they want to down Russian jets, they know the results. Because at that point, Russia knows it has no other choice.

Yes, Syria and Russia probably will not attack American forces directly in retaliation. Maybe Russia will ramp up operations against US proxies.

miketheterrible wrote:

crod wrote:

Vann7 wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:So Russians are saying they were not informed. This will definitely mean Russia will have to respond.

If thats the case ..Russia should cease any kind of cooperation with Americans over Syria . tell them ,that no longer their planes will be allowed to flight over Syria airspace territory and that have 24 hours to abandon their positions in Syria, that their base will be destroyed.

I'd actually say there is a no-fly zone coming for the Syrians...this wont end with a cruise strikes...

US can't dictate such terms if Russia decides to fly, then US can't do shit about it. If they want to down Russian jets, they know the results. Because at that point, Russia knows it has no other choice.

...only time will tell i guess but the US will do what it wants, when it wants and deep down the Kremlin knows this.

ABC News Aust is reporting massive devastation of airbase and that the Russians were provided plenty of heads up warning time.

Clearly they don't if they warn the Russians as they say. Lol. As well, according to tvzvezda, they were not informed.

US just now made it harder for Turkey imo. Russia will be probably even more relentless and possible up the ante. Rumors also heard of Iran moving equipment in.

https://twitter.com/Brasco_Aad/status/850112857035460614

Papadragon, do you have sources for Serbian forces shooting down cruise missiles during the war?

I think Russia's intervention in Syria shows they're still far far away from being able to challenge U.S hegemony. Message sent and received by the world.

This is rather serious. I wondered why everything with two wings was in the air all night.

US will now go full bore against Assad, this false chemical attack will be the excuse. US has flat out blamed Russia for not assuring Syria got rid of their chem weapons, ergo it's Russia's fault. What a surprise.

Gentlemen, we are three seconds from war between the two superpowers of the world.

The cruise missile attack was to test Russia reaction more than anything.
So depending on how Putin react , it will depend on how Americans will follow.

trump have shown to be a total sell out to the globalist. No idea
why he bother so much in running for president if in the end ,he ends doing
what Obama and Clinton was promoting.


-If Russia back down and chicken out , it will be game over for Syrians..
because it will help US to create an alliance knowing Russia will do nothing.

-If Russia goes full tit for tat .. with US ,it risk being losing badly to US.
Since Russia do not have much military assets in Syria to fight back. Since
it dont have an army there ,and the supply lines can be cut to Russia .
Syria is the worse place in the world ,for Russia to fight NATO.. since it was occupied 75% of its territory by terrorist when Russia came. it have Israel in the south a nuclear power ,it have Turkey in the north ,it have Jordan in the east. Syria is totally surrounded ,and is a really bad place for Russia military to operate against NATO.  any military general will see that .how vulnerable
will be Russia alone there in Syria to counter NATO.
-The only chance Russia have there to push american out of Syria and stop trying to over throw Assad ,is Iran or even better China.
Iran should send in full force its entire army , or at least 60,000 soldiers with half of its tanks and artillery,and ask Russia to help finance the operation so IRAN do the ground fighting with Syria army and Russia the airforce.  Ideally ,China will be the ideal help ,but they are so self centered and will not move a finger to help Russia in Syria if can avoid it.

-China however is a game changing equation ,they have big numbers ,a big army and NATO will never want to face CHINA in a ground invasion. they are the key in pushing NATO out of the middle east ,but for that china needs to send at least 50,000 soldiers there to help cover the eastern part of Syria. the frontier with Jordan where NATO will try to invade.

So if i was Putin i will try to convince IRAN and or CHINA to stop americans in
Syria and make a deal. Just the presence of 60,000 strong iranians in Syria in combination with the same Russian airforce they started ,will be a major dissuasive deterrence to US. And when it comes to china ask for help them with the cost of the operation ,because many chinese terrorist are in Syria too.


In the ukraine front is the other way , .. there NATO have no chance to defeat Russia there ,is right on Russia borders. So Russia can pull endless military forces and military hardware to push away even a full scale NATO invasion on donetsk or Lugansk. Russia strenght is on its motherland. they are invincible there.

So Russia needs IRAN or even better China full support with big armies.
. Just 20,000 soldiers from China and IRAN ,will be a good start. and a major game changing. And Russia can make a deal w IRAN ,that IRAN sends a big army to Syria ,and Russia can promise to send big army to Iran to help them protect their land in case there is a need. their military will cover IRAN rear ,from NATO.if they attacked. For Russia it will be far easier to help IRAN than Syria ,for being very close to its borders and having a strong naval fleet in caspian sea that no NATO warship can touch. for not having presence there.

United States major advantage is Syria neighbors and its big alliance. Russia weakness ,their major one is that is almost alone in the world. So RUssia needs a real invasion of IRAN in Syria with Russia promise that the Russian army will be ready to cover the void left by IRAN forces for moving to Syria.

I am more surprised Iran never set up an airforce base in Syria.

miketheterrible wrote:I am more surprised Iran never set up an airforce base in Syria.

To fly what? While their help won't be insignificant, it will not matter much and it will draw unwanted attention to itself from the empire and its dogs. Agree with the above poster on majority of points.

China holds the key but they're gaming the U.S much much different than how Russians and the USSR game them. I can't say they're wrong. They have grown into the #2 world economy by playing like dead possums - and it has worked. I mean if you look at ppp they're already ahead and the U.S has little manufacturing base left to compete (service economy is a joke) - the dollar is overvalued and propped up by their stranglehold on world finance and oil. So they're almost there - just not quite.

I don't think China will move a finger other than what it's already doing on the ground in Syria in exchange for UNSC support. They definitely don't want to rattle Saudi Arabia, a leading supplier of oil to them. And the Chinesse most definitely won't move a finger under heightened tensions such as this.

It will come a time however when they'll need Russia to solve the Taiwan issue once and for all and the U.S will not make it easy on them under any circumstance. Same for the Korean issue. However, politics is not a game of grudges so...

Interesting times we're living in.

The Russian response will not be against the Uh'Murikanz, but a reaffirmation of their support for Syria and a DEMAND for investigations over this latest terrorist false flag outrage. Also a redoubling of efforts to end the war through military means, as its clear that the Jihadists and their suppporters are not interested in anything but outright victory and a Wahabbi Sharia state controlled by Riyadhs stooges.

Of course, the West will not be interested in any investigation, as it will no doubt be a repeat of the fiasco in Damscus 2013 (which showed the attacks on East Ghouta were AQ false-flag attcks, and that the US lied when they said they had proof of Syrian gov responsibility).

Maybe this is the first instance of an act based on a new strategy between the indispensables and the moderates. SAF hits moderates; moderates arrange for a gas release or some other sensation, visuals of which will be presented by the lovely Nikki at the UN. Assad is always instantly blamed, of course, and Indispensables act as judge, jury and executioner. SAF is battered on the on the ground, and maybe Russia becomes hesitant and reduces sorties. Meanwhile, better-armed moderates recuperate. Yes, the truth regarding the fraud starts coming out, but has that ever mattered much in this? As before, the official narrative will be loud and repetitive while events relentlessly move forward. Attentions spans are short and meanwhile "Assad Must Go" is back, big time. Or that's the plan at least, perhaps. Or maybe it was just a one-off. I am skeptical of that, though.

These last 2 weeks has seen a fast escalation of events:
1. Russian Political domain: Protests in Russia, ofc, backed by the 5th Column. Russian gets internally distracted
2.Diplomatic domain, the US initially mentions possible modus vivendi with the Syrian Government. Meanwhile, "Jared Krusher" who's world view is described as Pro-globalist, meets with US Sunni Allies including, Egypt, Saudi, GCC, Iraqi officals, Israel, and Turks. Trump meets with King Abdullah. These meets could only be to reaffrim US support. Also noise about North Korea.
4. Russian Political domain: Terrorist Attack
3. Information domain: "Big Lie" propaganda effort. Alleged Syrian Chemical Airstrike
4. US political domain: Bannon who has an isolationist world view, removed from NSC, the NSC is essentially anti-russia, likes of Fiona Hill from Brookings, who's school of thought is Internationalist, Nunes recuses himself, Trump approval ratings extremely low.
5. Western Diplomatic domain: 360 degree in statements from Trump and US foreign policy surrogates marking escalation, backed up its Usual Allies UK, France, Germany's statements were vague, but still pro western.
6. Assad basically thrown under the bus by Peskov, stating that they have no control over all Assad's action and he doesn't have the unilateral support of Russia.
7. President Xi is in Florida for talks with Trump
8. Military action using cruise missile strikes, with further talks of escalation.

As I have-previously mentions in my last post, these events sends a clear message to the world that America and its allies will seek to preserve the American Led Neo-liberal World Order. This means America, under Trump will continue to act on broadly defined national interest, hence Donald Trump mentioning the world "justice" in his commentary following the cruise missile strikes.
Politically this is a Win for Trump and the West and a loss for Russia.

What should the Russian strategy be in Syria?
Russia needs to take a playbook out of US Strategy of never acting alone militarily in crisis, and build an allied military force to add diplomatic legitimacy to its operations. Russian allies in the CSTO and China, have tried to appear to remain neutral. Taking noted from what Machiavelli writings, is always advantageous and respectable to pick a side, " if you do not declare yourself, you will invariably fall a prey to the conqueror, to the pleasure and satisfaction of him who has been conquered, and you will have no reasons to offer, nor anything to protect or to shelter you. Because he who conquers does not want doubtful friends who will not aid him in the time of trial; and he who loses will not harbour you because you did not willingly, sword in hand, court his fate."
The CSTO has reason to act since a number of terrorist fighting in Syria originate from these countries.Looking deeper, even CSTO members has been targeted by attempts of colored revolutions.
They need to immediately start joint operations in Syria in the military sphere and coordinate on the political and diplomatic domain for the meantime.
Joint operations will add international credibility to the Operations Russian, Iran and Hezbollah are doing in support of Assad.
Russia must escalate and publicly declare military operations for extended Air Campaigns in Idlib -West Aleppo, and southern Syria to counter Western attempts of "safezones " in vital areas in western/central Syria. Russia needs to take First mover advantage.
I will just insert this as a quick note. Russia's ability with soft power statecraft remains limited in the fields of Economic, diplomatic and information domain. On the information domain, Russian language in an inhibiting factor.I am unaware how the rules at the UN work, however if the Russian Ambassador at the UN did respond sometimes with critical points in English to the antagonist there, it will be easier to reach the target audience in the west. Additionally there needs to be more theatricality by Russia at the UN. Put on a Spectacle. Haley walked with pictures, The Russian UN Ambassador maybe could have walked with a mortar shell that was recovered by Russian Sappers in Aleppo used to launch chemical attacks against civilian in government areas.Give it to her and tell her where to shove it! So yes, extreme theatricality is needed.

This operation is a success for the west. Its a boost politically for trump, when his poll numbers are dwindling and if it remains an isolated incident, it quiet the war hawks who have already asked for an escalation . It reaffirms US allies in the Mid-east region and around the world of US led Liberal World Order will remain. It sends a message to Xi on the issue concerning South China sea occupation. Finally its sends a message to Putin. The western describes Russian policies as revisionist and has a certain trends of targeting non-vital states or non-aligned states . Yet , two vital states to Russia, Ukraine and Syria has been targeted. In the long term Russia should now look to expand influence world wide in domains other than military while trying to destroy alliances that the west makes. Russia has invested heavily in Syria, so this is a blow to politically to Putin , who's support based (the entire russian federation lol ) lauded his chauvinistic military expedition in Syria, and Russia's ability to deter any military attack on Russia's vital interests. Finally this is a win for the west as they are making any gains and the duration of the conflict longer if they intervene and more costly for Russia and its allies.

If this is to be the knee-jerk reaction by the Trump administration every time the moderate-headchoppers stage another war crime then the future looks grim indeed. At the same time, a situation such as this demands a symmetric response, something that will put US personnel in Syria on edge. This was a direct threat to Russian servicemen, and puts us very close to midnight.

I should also add that this has damaged Trumps reputation both on the international and domestic front perhaps almost irreparably. This action was sudden and erratic, under previous presidents one had a clear idea of what was to happen next...

storm333 wrote:These last 2 weeks has seen a fast escalation of events:
1. Russian Political domain: Protests in Russia, ofc, backed by the 5th Column. Russian gets internally distracted
2.Diplomatic domain, the US initially mentions possible modus vivendi with the Syrian Government. Meanwhile, "Jared Krusher" who's world view is described as Pro-globalist, meets with US Sunni Allies including, Egypt, Saudi, GCC, Iraqi officals, Israel, and Turks. Trump meets with King Abdullah. These meets could only be to reaffrim US support. Also noise about North Korea.
4. Russian Political domain: Terrorist Attack
3. Information domain: "Big Lie" propaganda effort. Alleged Syrian Chemical Airstrike
4. US political domain: Bannon who has an isolationist world view,  removed from NSC, the NSC is essentially anti-russia, likes of Fiona Hill from Brookings, who's school of thought is Internationalist,  Nunes recuses himself, Trump approval ratings extremely low.
5. Western Diplomatic domain: 360 degree in statements from Trump and US foreign policy surrogates marking escalation, backed up its Usual Allies UK, France, Germany's statements were vague, but still pro western.
6. Assad basically thrown under the bus by Peskov, stating that they have no control over all Assad's action and he doesn't have the unilateral support of Russia.
7. President Xi is in Florida for talks with Trump
8. Military action using cruise missile strikes, with further talks of escalation.

As I have-previously mentions in my last post, these events sends a clear message to the world that America and its allies will seek to preserve the American Led Neo-liberal World Order. This means America, under Trump will continue to act on broadly defined national interest, hence Donald Trump mentioning the world "justice" in his commentary following the cruise missile strikes.
Politically this is a Win for Trump  and the West and a loss for Russia.

What should the Russian strategy be in Syria?
Russia needs to take a playbook out of US Strategy of never acting alone militarily in crisis, and build an allied military force to add diplomatic legitimacy to its operations. Russian allies in the CSTO and China, have tried to appear to remain neutral. Taking noted from what Machiavelli writings, is always advantageous  and respectable to pick a side, " if you do not declare yourself, you will invariably fall a prey to the conqueror, to the pleasure and satisfaction of him who has been conquered, and you will have no reasons to offer, nor anything to protect or to shelter you. Because he who conquers does not want doubtful friends who will not aid him in the time of trial; and he who loses will not harbour you because you did not willingly, sword in hand, court his fate."
The CSTO has reason to act since a number of terrorist fighting in Syria originate from these countries.Looking deeper, even CSTO members has been targeted by attempts of colored revolutions.
They need to immediately start joint operations in Syria in the military sphere and coordinate on the political and diplomatic domain for the meantime.
Joint operations will add international credibility to the Operations Russian, Iran and Hezbollah are doing in support of Assad.
Russia must escalate and publicly declare military operations for extended Air Campaigns  in Idlib -West Aleppo, and southern Syria to counter Western attempts of "safezones " in vital areas in western/central Syria. Russia needs to take First mover advantage.
I will just insert this as a quick note. Russia's ability with soft power statecraft remains limited in the fields of Economic, diplomatic and information domain. On the information domain, Russian language in an inhibiting factor.I am unaware how the rules at the UN work, however if the Russian Ambassador at the UN did respond sometimes with critical points in English to the antagonist there, it will be easier to reach the target audience in the west. Additionally there needs to be more theatricality by Russia at the UN. Put on a Spectacle. Haley walked with pictures, The Russian UN Ambassador maybe could have walked with a mortar shell that was recovered by Russian Sappers in Aleppo used to launch chemical attacks against civilian in government areas.Give it to her and  tell her where to shove it!  So yes, extreme theatricality is needed.

This operation is a success for the west. Its a boost politically for trump, when his poll numbers are dwindling and if it remains an isolated incident, it quiet the war hawks who have already asked for an escalation . It reaffirms US allies in the Mid-east region and around the world of US led Liberal World Order will remain. It sends a message to Xi on the issue concerning South China sea occupation. Finally its sends a message to Putin. The western describes Russian policies as revisionist and has a certain trends of targeting non-vital states or non-aligned states . Yet , two vital states to Russia, Ukraine and Syria has been targeted. In the long term Russia should now look to expand influence world wide in domains other than military while trying to destroy alliances that the west makes. Russia has invested heavily in Syria, so this is a blow to politically to Putin , who's support based (the entire russian federation lol ) lauded his chauvinistic military expedition in Syria, and Russia's ability to deter any military attack on Russia's vital interests. Finally this is a win for the west as they are making any gains and the duration of the  conflict longer if they intervene and more costly for Russia and its allies.

distracted by protests? By a whole 15,000 people in a nation of 145M? No. It was laughed at pretty damn quickly.

Just to add, looking at Anderson Cooper's coverage on CNN, they used a map on the interactive screen, that showed that Syria in its entirety was supportive of ISIS. The Map failed to show that Government was controlling most of western Syria, as part of their tactic of legitimizing the Syrian government."Keeping them fair and honest" Anderson ???? I hope RT picks up on this and attacks CNN, again.

storm333 wrote:These last 2 weeks has seen a fast escalation of events:
1. Russian Political domain: Protests in Russia, ofc, backed by the 5th Column. Russian gets internally distracted
2.Diplomatic domain, the US initially mentions possible modus vivendi with the Syrian Government. Meanwhile, "Jared Krusher" who's world view is described as Pro-globalist, meets with US Sunni Allies including, Egypt, Saudi, GCC, Iraqi officals, Israel, and Turks. Trump meets with King Abdullah. These meets could only be to reaffrim US support. Also noise about North Korea.
4. Russian Political domain: Terrorist Attack
3. Information domain: "Big Lie" propaganda effort. Alleged Syrian Chemical Airstrike
4. US political domain: Bannon who has an isolationist world view,  removed from NSC, the NSC is essentially anti-russia, likes of Fiona Hill from Brookings, who's school of thought is Internationalist,  Nunes recuses himself, Trump approval ratings extremely low.
5. Western Diplomatic domain: 360 degree in statements from Trump and US foreign policy surrogates marking escalation, backed up its Usual Allies UK, France, Germany's statements were vague, but still pro western.
6. Assad basically thrown under the bus by Peskov, stating that they have no control over all Assad's action and he doesn't have the unilateral support of Russia.
7. President Xi is in Florida for talks with Trump
8. Military action using cruise missile strikes, with further talks of escalation.

As I have-previously mentions in my last post, these events sends a clear message to the world that America and its allies will seek to preserve the American Led Neo-liberal World Order. This means America, under Trump will continue to act on broadly defined national interest, hence Donald Trump mentioning the world "justice" in his commentary following the cruise missile strikes.
Politically this is a Win for Trump  and the West and a loss for Russia.

What should the Russian strategy be in Syria?
Russia needs to take a playbook out of US Strategy of never acting alone militarily in crisis, and build an allied military force to add diplomatic legitimacy to its operations. Russian allies in the CSTO and China, have tried to appear to remain neutral. Taking noted from what Machiavelli writings, is always advantageous  and respectable to pick a side, " if you do not declare yourself, you will invariably fall a prey to the conqueror, to the pleasure and satisfaction of him who has been conquered, and you will have no reasons to offer, nor anything to protect or to shelter you. Because he who conquers does not want doubtful friends who will not aid him in the time of trial; and he who loses will not harbour you because you did not willingly, sword in hand, court his fate."
The CSTO has reason to act since a number of terrorist fighting in Syria originate from these countries.Looking deeper, even CSTO members has been targeted by attempts of colored revolutions.
They need to immediately start joint operations in Syria in the military sphere and coordinate on the political and diplomatic domain for the meantime.
Joint operations will add international credibility to the Operations Russian, Iran and Hezbollah are doing in support of Assad.
Russia must escalate and publicly declare military operations for extended Air Campaigns  in Idlib -West Aleppo, and southern Syria to counter Western attempts of "safezones " in vital areas in western/central Syria. Russia needs to take First mover advantage.
I will just insert this as a quick note. Russia's ability with soft power statecraft remains limited in the fields of Economic, diplomatic and information domain. On the information domain, Russian language in an inhibiting factor.I am unaware how the rules at the UN work, however if the Russian Ambassador at the UN did respond sometimes with critical points in English to the antagonist there, it will be easier to reach the target audience in the west. Additionally there needs to be more theatricality by Russia at the UN. Put on a Spectacle. Haley walked with pictures, The Russian UN Ambassador maybe could have walked with a mortar shell that was recovered by Russian Sappers in Aleppo used to launch chemical attacks against civilian in government areas.Give it to her and  tell her where to shove it!  So yes, extreme theatricality is needed.

This operation is a success for the west. Its a boost politically for trump, when his poll numbers are dwindling and if it remains an isolated incident, it quiet the war hawks who have already asked for an escalation . It reaffirms US allies in the Mid-east region and around the world of US led Liberal World Order will remain. It sends a message to Xi on the issue concerning South China sea occupation. Finally its sends a message to Putin. The western describes Russian policies as revisionist and has a certain trends of targeting non-vital states or non-aligned states . Yet , two vital states to Russia, Ukraine and Syria has been targeted. In the long term Russia should now look to expand influence world wide in domains other than military while trying to destroy alliances that the west makes. Russia has invested heavily in Syria, so this is a blow to politically to Putin , who's support based (the entire russian federation lol ) lauded his chauvinistic military expedition in Syria, and Russia's ability to deter any military attack on Russia's vital interests. Finally this is a win for the west as they are making any gains and the duration of the  conflict longer if they intervene and more costly for Russia and its allies.

Ohh it goes deeper than that. It shows that no one is safe (american "enemies"). It shows that the U.S can challenge Russia on a turf they claimed their own with little consequence and can set up base camp anywhere (like in Raqqa) to challenge them. I always saw that as a BIG BIG mistake for Russia to allow. American troops are in Syria right now with boots on the ground (and they won't get out unless seriously challenged). If you're a state looking to aling yourself with Eurasia and BRICS you'll think twice for sure. "Russia can't protect you" - that's the message. During the Cold War there was respect when it came to military interventions. Not anymore.

Yes, I was baffled by Peskov's remarks describing Russia's support for Syria as "conditional" and the rest. And now with the timing of the attacks I'm wondering even more about their significance.

Also, the way the attacks were timed with Xi's visit to Mar-a-lago is peculiar. Was it to deliberately unsettle Xi, and make it harder for him to communicate with Putin at the time of the attack? I'm very curious to hear Xi and China's official position now.

There are people laughing at people who voted for Trump .
But the fact is that even after this ,Trump is way better than clinton.
That women is totally sick ,she have no love for anyone , and even though
both trump and clinton will continue Obama policies , Hillary hate for humanity and christians is very dangerous. And far left liberals in US ,are the worse
kind of ideology ,not far from Alqaeda wahabism. They basically promote the
destruction of society morals and values in total. Obama was promoting gender change in children ,look how sick he was , so when it comes to internal policy ,trump have control of it.. when it comes to foreign policy ,it is pentagon who controls it and trump supports them.